Tell me again Brown is a better pick than AP

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He'd be doing nothing behind our line and I that is my opinion on the matter.

wait, i thought we shored up that line? what? we didn't? it still stinks? hmmm . . .

 

[Russ Smith]

Took a big step forward towards improving the line. Brown's not going to instantenously make the Cardinal line improve, but he's a building block and gives them a valuable cog to work for the future with.

I know it's easier to look at the glass half full especially with Peterson being as good as he did so far.. Yet, if we're going to all continuously cry over who WASN'T taken, we may as well just create an entire subforum with "WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THIS GUY INSTEAD OF (FILL IN ACTUAL PICK HERE)" and dwell over why the team passed on Tom Brady, Shaun Alexander, LT, etc.. etc... etc.

I would argue it's easier to look glass half full because you can completely ignore how a player or team is actually playing and just say "well in the future that is going to pay off."

It may or it may not, our track record of finding great OL's is not very good.

I hope Brown turns out to be good but so far I'm not seeing much reason to expect it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Took a big step forward towards improving the line. Brown's not going to instantenously make the Cardinal line improve, but he's a building block and gives them a valuable cog to work for the future with.

I know it's easier to look at the glass half full especially with Peterson being as good as he did so far.. Yet, if we're going to all continuously cry over who WASN'T taken, we may as well just create an entire subforum with "WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THIS GUY INSTEAD OF (FILL IN ACTUAL PICK HERE)" and dwell over why the team passed on Tom Brady, Shaun Alexander, LT, etc.. etc... etc.

he better be a LOT better than a "valuable cog" for the fifth pick in the draft, passing on a potential HOF runningback, and the cheddar he's earning. he better be dominant. we're talking walter jones dominant.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Correct me, if wrong... but aren't you one of posters that says that we don't have a GM? If so... no need to fire... just hire, right?

"We" suggests you speak for all.... you don't.

yeah cheese, apologize to all the posters who love winning 2 - 5 games per year! they don't complain!

 

[RedViper]

Will this ever die. Its like digging up a corpse and leaving it in front of the door every single morning. Each day it stinks a little worse. Why don't we talk about that time we didn't draft Randy Moss and Brian Urlacher, and Shawn Alexander and on and on and on. What a bore. Give it a frickin rest already.

 

[Russ Smith]

Will this ever die. Its like digging up a corpse and leaving it in front of the door every single morning. Each day it stinks a little worse. Why don't we talk about that time we didn't draft Randy Moss and Brian Urlacher, and Shawn Alexander and on and on and on. What a bore. Give it a frickin rest already.

Can I point out again that if all the people who feel that way would just AVOID threads that are clearly about it, they wouldn't have this problem?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

wait, i thought we shored up that line? what? we didn't? it still stinks? hmmm . . .

Easy there Cowboy.

I never said we shored up the line, and I believe I stated that this is all my opinion which you and the rest of your posse' thinks is the wrong opinion, that has been well stated.

So easy it back a bit. You are getting keyed up and your posts are showing it.

You and the rest of the darksiders want to spend all your time re-hashing negatives that is fine, but don't go out on a limb to get a reaction out of me. You guys hate everything that the Cardinals are doing that is great, and feel free to vent, but your little attacks and group name calling is old news.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Can I point out again that if all the people who feel that way would just AVOID threads that are clearly about it, they wouldn't have this problem?

Yet, when WE DO post another thread somewhere that is positive, and the darkside posse' comes rolling into it calling people morons, lunatics, stupid, pointing and laughing etc., etc. it is OK.

Whatever.

 

[Totally_Red]

I would argue it's easier to look glass half full because you can completely ignore how a player or team is actually playing and just say "well in the future that is going to pay off."

It may or it may not, our track record of finding great OL's is not very good.

I hope Brown turns out to be good but so far I'm not seeing much reason to expect it.

I was heart-broken when the Browns took Joe Thomas. Night and day difference between Thomas and Brown IMO. The sad thing is Russ Grimm and company apparently really believe(d) Brown is(was) in the same class as Thomas. Maybe for run-blocking he might be, but he is a revolving door in pass blocking. In previous games, Warner quickly found an open receiver. In this game, it took a second longer, and wah-lah, Patrick Kerney was on him.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yet, when WE DO post another thread somewhere that is positive, and the darkside posse' comes rolling into it calling people morons, lunatics, stupid, pointing and laughing etc., etc. it is OK.

Whatever.

I'm not posting about AP in threads that aren't about him or Brown. If others are I'm not seeing it because I'm not reading those threads.

All I'm saying is coming into THIS thread to complain about it is silly, the thread is very clearly labelled you know exactly what it is before you read it. So anybody that comes in and then says jeez drop it already, is complaining about having to read something they never had to see.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

he better be a LOT better than a "valuable cog" for the fifth pick in the draft, passing on a potential HOF runningback, and the cheddar he's earning. he better be dominant. we're talking walter jones dominant.

He is not so what about it?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

yeah cheese, apologize to all the posters who love winning 2 - 5 games per year! they don't complain!

You find me ALL the poster that enjoy it.

 

[football karma]

In the interest of full disclosure: Last post season, I was pimping Peterson big time -- but also -- in the week prior to the draft was very scared by the "will Peterson need surgery to fix the collarbone" rumor -- so net, net I was okay with the Levi Brown pick.

As a BPA adherent, this to me is just another example of where need led a team to pick the wrong player.

That being said, I dont think yesterday means Levi is bust, or even close. The fraction of a second difference between being able to hear the snap and not apparently was enough to give Kearney the edge. Why the staff left him by himself is a mystery.

My main point however is this: for everybody moaning about Peterson -- please remember this when you set out this offseason to post "Cards need to spend big dollars to sign free agent X!".

The lesson learned is that the minute you sign a guy to huge free agent dollars, it takes you out of the market for that position on draft day for that position for two years. The Cards did get aggressive and sign a big name to a huge contract -- but it also made it highly unlikely to draft that position in the top 10 as well.

 

[DaisyCutter]

The Vikes had just signed Chester Taylor to a big contract the year before. The Saints had just re-signed Duce McAllister to a huge contract extension before drafting Reggie Bush (although McAllister was coming off a knee injury). If passing on Adrian Peterson was a money issue--well, maybe those who say that these aren't the Same Ol' Cardinals aren't quite accurate.

I don't think that anyone is saying that Brown is a bust. Just that he hasn't lived up to his billing, and Joe Thomas's performance in Cleveland is making the scouting department's claims that Brown was the best tackle in this draft look foolish.

Hopefully, this team won't be dropping Top 10 picks for a while after last season, but the decision on who you draft should be who's going to help you for the next 5 years, not the next 1.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Correct me, if wrong... but aren't you one of posters that says that we don't have a GM? If so... no need to fire... just hire, right?

"We" suggests you speak for all.... you don't.

actually, "we" is in reference to the people who are continually bitching about having a crappy GM. but if you want read more into it, be my guest... although I'm not sure why you would.

 

[Cheesebeef]

guys hate everything that the Cardinals are doing that is great

talk about a BLATANT LIE. Yeah, darksiders hate everything the Cards are doing great. Give me a break Rugby.

 

[Duckjake]

Yet, when WE DO post another thread somewhere that is positive, and the darkside posse' comes rolling into it calling people morons, lunatics, stupid, pointing and laughing etc., etc. it is OK.

Whatever.

I don't see that very often. In fact the number one reason this board is so great is that for the most part we don't call each other morons, lunatics, stupid or point and laugh.

Sooner or later the posters who do that are gone, not because of what they write but because of how they write it. Or if a thread gets out of hand the mods lock it.

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't see that very often. In fact the number one reason this board is so great is that for the most part we don't call each other morons, lunatics, stupid or point and laugh.

You stupid lunatic moron!

 

[football karma]

The Vikes had just signed Chester Taylor to a big contract the year before. The Saints had just re-signed Duce McAllister to a huge contract extension before drafting Reggie Bush (although McAllister was coming off a knee injury). If passing on Adrian Peterson was a money issue--well, maybe those who say that these aren't the Same Ol' Cardinals aren't quite accurate.

Taylor signed a 4 year, $14 mm deal. Not chump change, but quite a bit smaller than the 4 year, $30mm deal signed by Edge. I suspect the Edge's contract was probably more front loaded than Taylor's as well.

not doubling down with salary cap dollars at a single position isnt exclusively a Cardinal thing -- everybody follows those rules.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Taylor signed a 4 year, $14 mm deal. Not chump change, but quite a bit smaller than the 4 year, $30mm deal signed by Edge. I suspect the Edge's contract was probably more front loaded than Taylor's as well.

not doubling down with salary cap dollars at a single position isnt exclusively a Cardinal thing -- everybody follows those rules.

Like the Colts? Didn't they double-down at WR with Harrison and Wayne? I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. The Cards may have bid against themselves with Edgerrin James, but since there aren't a lot of teams that so consistently draft in the Top 5, couldn't this be an example of being so bad an exclusively Cardinals problem?

The Lions might be another example, since they drafted all those WRs, but they went from being downright horrible to merely being as bad as Arizona. The Chargers doubled-down at quarterback, and they've been pretty good since then.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

talk about a BLATANT LIE. Yeah, darksiders hate everything the Cards are doing great. Give me a break Rugby.

Whatever Cheese. So Ouchie is allowed to post over-exaggerated BS and I am not. Talk about a double standard.

You have been all over this board about the smallest fart in the wind for quite a while. At this point its just more of the same.

Plus you take any chance you get to get all over my business and spew it back at me with as much propaganda and ill will as you possibly can.

BTW, what was the last positve thing you or the posse' complemented the Cardinals for doing. For some reason I can't think of one.

Since it is such a blatant lie. Which of course I am always full of.

What next you gonna complain about next? Me putting words in your mouth in your mouth again?

Or are you just gonna call me and my ideas lunacy, or stupid?

W-H-A-T-E-V-E-R. Same old, same old. So tired of this half-butt bullying that goes on here. It really has become a shell of what it used to be.

Take your eccentric BS elsewhere and stop riding my words for all their worth. I have tried to make peace with you and you have never excepted it. Blow.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The whole argument about AP vs. Brown is that rarely do you get the chance to draft a player like AP whereas you can pretty much get a tackle of Brown's ability every year. Brown may very well turn out be good,productive player. But, he's not a huge difference maker like AP already is.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The whole argument about AP vs. Brown is that rarely do you get the chance to draft a player like AP whereas you can pretty much get a tackle of Brown's ability every year. Brown may very well turn out be good,productive player. But, he's not a huge difference maker like AP already is.

It is also a lot easier to say that week 14 of the season. Eventhough it WAS in fact said during the draft about AP.....so I guess you are right about that.

I would hope most agree that the Cardinals backed themselves into a situation of need. So pretty much it was the sins of the past that cost us AP, and led us to get Levi Brown.

But what is done, is done. We have Brown, Min. has Peterson.

 

[football karma]

Like the Colts? Didn't they double-down at WR with Harrison and Wayne? I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. The Cards may have bid against themselves with Edgerrin James, but since there aren't a lot of teams that so consistently draft in the Top 5, couldn't this be an example of being so bad an exclusively Cardinals problem?

The Lions might be another example, since they drafted all those WRs, but they went from being downright horrible to merely being as bad as Arizona. The Chargers doubled-down at quarterback, and they've been pretty good since then.

You play two WRs on most plays. The Cards also have invested big dollars in both their top two WRs.

You only play one RB at at time, and on most teams, one RB will get the bulk of the carries.

The Chargers had invested a 2nd round pick on Drew Brees, which for cap purposes is a pretty reasonable $ figure -- Brees was also wildly inconsistent up until the year they drafted Phillip Rivers-- Brees and the Chargers then promptly had a breakout season.

Again, I dont think its just the Cardinals who wouldnt want $17mm of cap space invested in the RB position -- with half of that cap space sitting on the bench at any one time.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

The whole argument about AP vs. Brown is that rarely do you get the chance to draft a player like AP....

They said the same thing about Reggie Bush last season. They'll surely say the same things about Darren McFadden this year. They'll more likely than not dub another HB with that same tag next year.