That Carson Palmer guy...

[GatorAZ]

Against the Saints, Palmer had a 110 QBR with a backup OLine and mixed bag of receivers. I would like to go another year with him, and I bet Fitz would also.

Playing the Saints defense was a cure all game. Back to reality next week.

On another note our D starting to look like a cure all to opposing offenses...

 

[Stout]

Calm down. You totally overreacted to a question asking for clarification, because how you're opining it, it sounds like you're fine with regressing at the position as long as you can save a few bucks off the cap.

I'm trying to find a valid, well thought out, opinion on why Palmer is expendable for just any "cheap vet" QB. Because a franchise, who's had historically awful luck at the position, can't be comfortable with a likely downgrade at the position, which in the end, won't do much to save this franchise financially.

Okay. It read snootier than that, but it's easy to misunderstand on the internet.

The thing is, you and others automatically think it would be regressing to get rid of Palmer. I and others don't. Age has caught up to him, IMO, plain and simple. I read examples of QBs playing really well at an old age, but that's a few QBs, certainly not most, and definitely not all of them. And Palmer's no Brady, Warner, or Brees.

I also read a lot about how this season is anything but Palmer's fault. The WR injuries, the OL injuries, and so on. Well, then why wasn't he playing well early in the season when those issues weren't critical yet? Why were people asking if something was wrong with Palmer? In a long season, we tend to forget what happened early on. He looked really awful early in the season, so how can we expect he's going to come back good next season?

 

[JeffGollin]

It is what it is -

Keep Carson upright and give him enough time to see the field/make good decisions Do this and he can be lethal.

But he's not super nimble, and Cardinal pass blocking (& this season, receiving) is iffy from game to game.

So there's always the risk that he'll have a bad game, wind up continually on his back (or worse suffer serious injury).

We have to ask ourselves: (1) what are the odds that Carson will be given the blocking and receiving support he needs in order to excel and (2) if the answer is "no" or "maybe", would we be better off with a more nimble QB who may lack Carson's arm/smarts but give us ea better chance of winning.

Tough call. Typically these types of decisions write themselves, but the Cards are caught in the middle where the decision on a QB isn't so clear cut. (My guess is that the highest percentage call would be to stick with Carson until we locate and sign the next Johnny Unitas).

 

[Cardiac]

I'd be shocked if Palmer isn't starting for the Cards next year, shocked. A couple times a game he makes a bad decision but so does every NFL QB. He is a fantastic leader and loves the game and competing. Palmer is a B+ QB in a league with about 5 A QB's and a ton of C, D and F quality QB's.

 

[cardpa]

I guess I look at it this way, would I rather have Palmer under center right now or even next year or be in a situation like:

Jets
Bears
Vikings
Rams
Houston
49ers
Browns

and to some extent:
Broncos
Jaguars
Bills
Eagles

This is a third of the teams in the NFL that are in worse situations at QB than the Cardinals or at least would be better with Palmer under center. Some are in total chaos. I believe the team is stuck with Palmer because they have no other options at this time. Really what at their options? There is no one coming up on FA that is any better than Palmer. At least not in 2017. If anything at east get some one who will push Palmer for the starting job. That certainly isn't Stanton.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Okay. It read snootier than that, but it's easy to misunderstand on the internet.

The thing is, you and others automatically think it would be regressing to get rid of Palmer. I and others don't. Age has caught up to him, IMO, plain and simple. I read examples of QBs playing really well at an old age, but that's a few QBs, certainly not most, and definitely not all of them. And Palmer's no Brady, Warner, or Brees.

I also read a lot about how this season is anything but Palmer's fault. The WR injuries, the OL injuries, and so on. Well, then why wasn't he playing well early in the season when those issues weren't critical yet? Why were people asking if something was wrong with Palmer? In a long season, we tend to forget what happened early on. He looked really awful early in the season, so how can we expect he's going to come back good next season?

I agree with Stout. Why would we want to keep Palmer when there are better options out there. We should do everything possible to pry Derrick Anderson away from the Panthers. Those were the good old days. Maybe we can convince Max Hall to come out of retirement. I hear Logan Thomas is tired of being a TE in Buffalo, and maybe we can convince him to be a QB again.

 

[Chopper0080]

For the record, I am ok with people wanting a different QB because they don't think much of Palmer. Where I struggle is the argument that cutting him and signing a quality QB will save us money. That is false.

 

[Stout]

For the record, I am ok with people wanting a different QB because they don't think much of Palmer. Where I struggle is the argument that cutting him and signing a quality QB will save us money. That is false.

If we can somehow cut him and sign a quality QB, saving money won't matter--it would get us a quality QB. If, however, it becomes a matter of keeping an old, ineffective QB or trying to get a different QB, a bargain QB that would save us money to address other positions, I'd go for the latter. Hey, if we keep him and it turns out age hasn't caught up for him, great. If, as I think, age has caught up with him and he's no good, then why in the world would we want him?

I'm still waiting for someone to excuse his early-season lousy play. You know, before the OL and WR corps imploded. Why did he play poorly then?

 

[Chopper0080]

If we can somehow cut him and sign a quality QB, saving money won't matter--it would get us a quality QB. If, however, it becomes a matter of keeping an old, ineffective QB or trying to get a different QB, a bargain QB that would save us money to address other positions, I'd go for the latter. Hey, if we keep him and it turns out age hasn't caught up for him, great. If, as I think, age has caught up with him and he's no good, then why in the world would we want him?

I'm still waiting for someone to excuse his early-season lousy play. You know, before the OL and WR corps imploded. Why did he play poorly then?

When Ryan Fitzpatrick gets 10 mil per season, I'm not sure what a bargain QB is or who you can get. the only real way we save is by drafting one and starting him, trading for a QB who is under contract, or starting Drew Stanton.

 

[Jetstream Green]

If we can somehow cut him and sign a quality QB, saving money won't matter--it would get us a quality QB. If, however, it becomes a matter of keeping an old, ineffective QB or trying to get a different QB, a bargain QB that would save us money to address other positions, I'd go for the latter. Hey, if we keep him and it turns out age hasn't caught up for him, great. If, as I think, age has caught up with him and he's no good, then why in the world would we want him?

I'm still waiting for someone to excuse his early-season lousy play. You know, before the OL and WR corps imploded. Why did he play poorly then?

Sure. 1) Our revamped OL at the beginning of the year was not as good as last year, fact 2) Our WRs where fully healthy and had no excuse for running crap routes with no seperation and not catching the ball 3) Arians dictates the possibilities of the plays, and it it seems our high profile only bolstered other defenses figuring our Arian's offensive nature

Lastly, the best measure of a QB is when things are not at the predicted level as this hyped 'improved' OL which where replaced with backups due to injury and a WR group which is undermanned and injured removed from their early screw ups. I get it, you think Palmer is going down hill due to age and convinced he is going to suck next year... but I find it highly unlikely because he has thrown more than his share of passed which many starting QBs in this league cannot which are considered good and that shot to Nelson deep which Nelson dropped is not the sign of a QB any sane GM would replace in my opinion

 

[82CardsGrad]

If we can somehow cut him and sign a quality QB, saving money won't matter--it would get us a quality QB. If, however, it becomes a matter of keeping an old, ineffective QB or trying to get a different QB, a bargain QB that would save us money to address other positions, I'd go for the latter. Hey, if we keep him and it turns out age hasn't caught up for him, great. If, as I think, age has caught up with him and he's no good, then why in the world would we want him?

I'm still waiting for someone to excuse his early-season lousy play. You know, before the OL and WR corps imploded. Why did he play poorly then?

Just curious... how to do you measure "ineffective?"

 

[cardncubfan]

If we can somehow cut him and sign a quality QB, saving money won't matter--it would get us a quality QB. If, however, it becomes a matter of keeping an old, ineffective QB or trying to get a different QB, a bargain QB that would save us money to address other positions, I'd go for the latter. Hey, if we keep him and it turns out age hasn't caught up for him, great. If, as I think, age has caught up with him and he's no good, then why in the world would we want him?

I'm still waiting for someone to excuse his early-season lousy play. You know, before the OL and WR corps imploded. Why did he play poorly then?

You mean when the wr's were dropping passes right in their hands? I remember several early on from Floyd & Nelson. Brown wasn't getting any separation due to his legs. He only had Fitz & DJ to rely on. What other lousy play are you referring to other than the normal stuff he's done since he's been here? He sometimes tries to throw into tight coverage when he shouldn't but all QB's do that from time to time.

 

[GatorAZ]

If Fitz retires I'd hope Palmer would too. That would pretty much for the Cards to bottom out. For the record I think they'll both be back.

 

[ajcardfan]

You mean when the wr's were dropping passes right in their hands? I remember several early on from Floyd & Nelson. Brown wasn't getting any separation due to his legs. He only had Fitz & DJ to rely on. What other lousy play are you referring to other than the normal stuff he's done since he's been here? He sometimes tries to throw into tight coverage when he shouldn't but all QB's do that from time to time.

Exactly. Go back and watch Palmer's ints this season. Lots of drops, not going for the ball, quitting on routes.... then when we were desparate he would force it and it would wind up in a pick.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Exactly. Go back and watch Palmer's ints this season. Lots of drops, not going for the ball, quitting on routes.... then when we were desparate he would force it and it would wind up in a pick.

The one which is the epitome of the season is the int ran back for a score. It was was timing route and Brown was held opening up the outcome but it was not Palmer or Brown's fault... but Arians calling such a high risk possibility when he had other options in my opinion

 

[ajcardfan]

The one which is the epitome of the season is the int ran back for a score. It was was timing route and Brown was held opening up the outcome but it was not Palmer or Brown's fault... but Arians calling such a high risk possibility when he had other options in my opinion

Yeah, that was Minnesota and a" blown call by refs" which is the only excuse I did not come up with for him.

 

[kerouac9]

If Palmer were realY trash, this would be an easy choice. The problem is that he's like the 12th best QB in the NFL when he regresses back upward. That should be enough to keep you competitive for 17 weeks.

Can Palmer be the Ben Roethlisberger to DJ's LeVeon Bell?

 

[MrYeahBut]

Can Palmer be the Ben Roethlisberger to DJ's LeVeon Bell?

Decent pass blocking would do wonders to facilitate accomplishing this. imo

 

[Stout]

What I'm reading is that Palmer's a teflon QB that can do no wrong lol I mean, I think he'd chuck 10 INTs in a game, and many posters would find he had no fault in any of them. Wow!

 

[82CardsGrad]

If Palmer were realY trash, this would be an easy choice. The problem is that he's like the 12th best QB in the NFL when he regresses back upward. That should be enough to keep you competitive for 17 weeks.

Can Palmer be the Ben Roethlisberger to DJ's LeVeon Bell?

Behind what oline, Pitt or ours??

 

[82CardsGrad]

What I'm reading is that Palmer's a teflon QB that can do no wrong lol I mean, I think he'd chuck 10 INTs in a game, and many posters would find he had no fault in any of them. Wow!

Overreaction alert!!!

 

[TJ]

It boils down to this. Would you rather have Palmer in 2017, or Kaepernick, RGIII, Jay Cutler, Fitzpatrick, or Case Keenum?

Your "cheap veteran" alternatives.

 

[nashman]

It boils down to this. Would you rather have Palmer in 2017, or Kaepernick, RGIII, Jay Cutler, Fitzpatrick, or Case Keenum?

Your "cheap veteran" alternatives.

Simple answer is Palmer no question imo.

 

[Stout]

It boils down to this. Would you rather have Palmer in 2017, or Kaepernick, RGIII, Jay Cutler, Fitzpatrick, or Case Keenum?

Your "cheap veteran" alternatives.

Are you saying those are the only QBs Keim can possibly get out of the draft, FA, and through trades? I'm not saying it isn't a tough QB market, but I'm not buying what you're selling in this post.

Overreaction alert!!!

Really? I'm not reading much Palmer criticism, if any at all. To me, THAT'S an overreaction. Methinks the posters do protest too much.

 

[oaken1]

The only smart move for this team right now is to draft a QB,...then either start the youngster with Palmer at back up....or start Palmer on a short leash while the youngster continues to learn.

but here is the problem...

all the rumors indicate BA is going to retire when Palmer does....and incoming coaches like to draft their own young QB...so it is very likely SK is not going to try for a top notch rookie until after BA retires so our new coach can have input as to which rookie he wants.