That FG attempt

[BritCard]

Guess its easy to be a Monday morning QB and rip KK for the call but Prater has the leg and it worked a week ago from 62 yds out. The worse call was from Jags OC Bevell for a flea-flicker that was intercepted and run back by the Cards' Murphy for a TD. That really changed the game.

The difference is we were playing the Jags.

Vs the Vikings we were down and they had scored 23 in the first half. Plus 62 is manageable.

Against the Jags you shouldn't be thinking "We really need to score a 68 yard FG in this 7 - 7 game".

You take a knee, or maybe you try a deep bomb, but you trust you team to come out in the 2nd half and just win the game against a bad team. You don't risk giving them life and impetus.

 

[BritCard]

Well, had it succeeded we would have had page after page of 'yeah, but...'

Had it succeeded it would still have been a dumb decision. The outcome doesn't mitigate the process.

 

[slanidrac16]

I’m surprised nobody has jumped on Rodgers for the way the team covered the kick.
300 lb. offensive linemen should not be charging down the field like a kickoff team. Most are gassed after running 40 yards. Field position was not a concern. Get in your lane and let the returner come to you.
Im more upset about the play call before the fg attempt.

 

[TRW]

I’m surprised nobody has jumped on Rodgers for the way the team covered the kick.
300 lb. offensive linemen should not be charging down the field like a kickoff team. Most are gassed after running 40 yards. Field position was not a concern. Get in your lane and let the returner come to you.
Im more upset about the play call before the fg attempt.

This. If you're going for the FG then get it closer. Otherwise, throw a Hail Murray or just kneel down and go to the locker room tied. At least IMO.

 

[BritCard]

I’m surprised nobody has jumped on Rodgers for the way the team covered the kick.
300 lb. offensive linemen should not be charging down the field like a kickoff team. Most are gassed after running 40 yards. Field position was not a concern. Get in your lane and let the returner come to you.
Im more upset about the play call before the fg attempt.

I doubt they have a stupidly long likely to be returned FG package.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

I like it. No wasted opportunity. That being said, sea level with humid conditions make for a tough kick. Prater struck it pretty good. That might have gone through at home.

 

[slanidrac16]

I doubt they have a stupidly long likely to be returned FG package.

So you are suggesting the have never covered the subject of a fg attempt being returned?
I highly doubt that.

Either way, they will now.

 

[QuebecCard]

Had it succeeded it would still have been a dumb decision. The outcome doesn't mitigate the process.

So you say...

 

[GatorAZ]

Tucker was indoors and basically did a hop step to get more distance:

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[Krangodnzr]

Had it succeeded it would still have been a dumb decision. The outcome doesn't mitigate the process.

Kliff has lost all benefit of the doubt from me now. I agree, even if it worked, the move would have been mathematically the wrong choice.

 

[QuebecCard]

Kliff has lost all benefit of the doubt from me now. I agree, even if it worked, the move would have been mathematically the wrong choice.

Every FG 60 and over is mathematically the wrong choice.

So why didn't we have page after page of 'yeah, buts...' after he hit from 62?

 

[FB94]

Maybe KK thought let’s try it, and felt ok that the Defense could handle the Jags and our offense would get it figured out in the second half. All came true for the most part. He probably would not have attempted that kick if we were playing anyone else

 

[Krangodnzr]

Every FG 60 and over is mathematically the wrong choice.

So why didn't we have page after page of 'yeah, buts...' after he hit from 62?

Anything over 50 and every yard makes the difficulty substantially more.

Ever watch the Iron Bowl where Nick Saban played all cute and instead of playing for overtime attempted a long kick? Every decision, you have to weigh the benefits vs the negatives. A missed field goal that is returned is very often taken back for a touchdown.

 

[QuebecCard]

Anything over 50 and every yard makes the difficulty substantially more.

Ever watch the Iron Bowl where Nick Saban played all cute and instead of playing for overtime attempted a long kick? Every decision, you have to weigh the benefits vs the negatives. A missed field goal that is returned is very often taken back for a touchdown.

A missed FG returned for a TD is memorable and thus not very often, I would venture.

The very reason why so many are up in arms now and said little to nothing when Prater hit from 62.

 

[Krangodnzr]

A missed FG returned for a TD is memorable and thus not very often, I would venture.

The very reason why so many are up in arms now and said little to nothing when Prater hit from 62.

Right. Because teams rarely put themselves in position.

I mean...the Jaguars literally had a guy back there because they expected this might happen and it was a pretty easy return.

 

[QuebecCard]

Right. Because teams rarely put themselves in position.

I mean...the Jaguars literally had a guy back there because they expected this might happen and it was a pretty easy return.

Teams rarely put themselves in that position because few have kickers who have a history of success at the 60 range, and we do.

Of course, they'd have someone back there it's a long try and the last play of the half.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Teams rarely put themselves in that position because few have kickers who have a history of success at the 60 range, and we do.

Of course, they'd have someone back there it's a long try and the last play of the half.

It still goes back to reward vs. punishment. There is a reason that teams take a knee to end games.

I can't remember which year it was, but many years ago when the NY Giants were playing the Cardinals at SDS, right before half time with like 7 seconds left, the Giants attempted a pass. The pass was a quick out. I think it was JJ McClesky picked the pass off and returned it for a TD. It was a real dumb call.

The potential benefit was much lower than the potential punishment. This kick was like that. The chances of making a kick that no one in the history of the game had ever made vs. a kick return for a TD. And in typical Cardinals fashion, the worst case scenario played out.

 

[Billy Bob]

The way I'm looking at it, the flea-flicker for pick-6 off made it a push!

 

[Jetstream Green]

It still goes back to reward vs. punishment. There is a reason that teams take a knee to end games.

I can't remember which year it was, but many years ago when the NY Giants were playing the Cardinals at SDS, right before half time with like 7 seconds left, the Giants attempted a pass. The pass was a quick out. I think it was JJ McClesky picked the pass off and returned it for a TD. It was a real dumb call.

The potential benefit was much lower than the potential punishment. This kick was like that. The chances of making a kick that no one in the history of the game had ever made vs. a kick return for a TD. And in typical Cardinals fashion, the worst case scenario played out.

I am fifty/fifty on that Krang because it appears the kicker thought 'yeah' he could hit it from practice prior and if not to be truthful, we are playing the Jaguars in their current state and thinking we can recover if we botch

I was embarrassed as a Cardinal fan when it happened but then in retrospective I thought of something else, the Jaguar players are far more embarrassed of the actual game and choking a lead big time, then getting beat by two scores

What happened to the Jags is far more Cardinalist because we believe it or not walked out with a win that was salt on the proverbial wound if you are a Jaguar fan for their odd triumph that decided nothing

 

[BigRedRage]

I have zero issue with the call, we just should have had some faster guys on the line just in case it was short.

 

[BigRedRage]

oh and its a shame the fake punt had a delay of game. it was money.

 

[BritCard]

Every FG 60 and over is mathematically the wrong choice.

So why didn't we have page after page of 'yeah, buts...' after he hit from 62?

A 68 yard FG is magnitudes higher risk than anything up to 64. The curve shoots off into space after 64.

 

[QuebecCard]

It still goes back to reward vs. punishment. There is a reason that teams take a knee to end games.

I can't remember which year it was, but many years ago when the NY Giants were playing the Cardinals at SDS, right before half time with like 7 seconds left, the Giants attempted a pass. The pass was a quick out. I think it was JJ McClesky picked the pass off and returned it for a TD. It was a real dumb call.

The potential benefit was much lower than the potential punishment. This kick was like that. The chances of making a kick that no one in the history of the game had ever made vs. a kick return for a TD. And in typical Cardinals fashion, the worst case scenario played out.

But it wasn't the end of game.

If there was time to try it was then.

And it wasn't an either-or proposition: 3 if we make it... 7 against if we miss.

 

[QuebecCard]

A 68 yard FG is magnitudes higher risk than anything up to 64. The curve shoots off into space after 64.

Well, "magnitude" and "shoots off into space" are math questions, and I'm looking forward to the equation.

 

[cardncubfan]

I have no problem with the call. I thought he was going to make it when I saw them lining up for the FG. I think Prater will beat the new record this year. I prefer this over a ball-less coach that plays it safe every time.