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Yes, I do, I'm an engineer and it wasn't "well" short.

"Several" is defined as more than two but not many.

Maybe you need a class in the proper use of terms.

It was well short really.

Yes, it was caught 9 yards deep in the EZ but about 3ft off the ground.

The goalposts are a yard further back and 10ft high. It was probably about 6 yards short of clearing the bar.

I think Prater can make that distance but he had too much height on the kick.
 

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It was well short really.

Yes, it was caught 9 yards deep in the EZ but about 3ft off the ground.

The goalposts are a yard further back and 10ft high. It was probably about 6 yards short of clearing the bar.

I think Prater can make that distance but he had too much height on the kick.

Without angle, velocity, height, distance, and time, we can't actually calculate the yards required to successfully complete a 68 yard FG. That said: we have a 66 yarder on Sunday that landed on the crossbar and Prater's kick was a yard longer; we can safely say that he would not have needed a 73-yard kick to complete a 68-yard FG.
 

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Without angle, velocity, height, distance, and time, we can't actually calculate the yards required to successfully complete a 68 yard FG. That said: we have a 66 yarder on Sunday that landed on the crossbar and Prater's kick was a yard longer; we can safely say that he would not have needed a 73-yard kick to complete a 68-yard FG.

We can safely say that a kick that is 3ft off the ground and still 1 yard short of the goalposts would require around 6 yards more distance (at a 3ft height) to clear the 10ft crossbar. Give or take with my napkin math.
 

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We can safely say that a kick that is 3ft off the ground and still 1 yard short of the goalposts would require around 6 yards more distance (at a 3ft height) to clear the 10ft crossbar. Give or take with my napkin math.

Prater kick would have been good for 67, and your napkin math tells you that he would have needed 6 more yards of in-flight distance to clear a 10ft crossbar that is one yard away?

OK fine...
 
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We can safely say that a kick that is 3ft off the ground and still 1 yard short of the goalposts would require around 6 yards more distance (at a 3ft height) to clear the 10ft crossbar. Give or take with my napkin math.
100%. That’s simple mathematical logic that it would’ve needed considerably more than the “one yard” claim.
 

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Prater kick would have been good for 67, and your napkin math tells you that he would have needed 6 more yards of in-flight distance to clear a 10ft crossbar that is one yard away?

OK fine...

How could it possibly be good from 67?

One yard from the goalposts (so at 67 yards) it was 7ft lower than required to go over the crossbar.
 

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I question a lot of calls. Like running it up the gut 4 times in a row on first & goal & getting nowhere.
Like... an imaginary call that has never happened in the last decade? Lol.
How could it possibly be good from 67?

One yard from the goalposts (so at 67 yards) it was 7ft lower than required to go over the crossbar.

Don’t dude. Just as there are Darksiders who can almost NEVER admit something good has happened, there’s the flip side of the coin for others who can never admit something bad or stupid happened.
 
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Well, the successful 66-yard kick landed on the crossbar and rolled over fair so it's conceivable that's what would have happened to Prater's kick at 67. It was 7 feet lower.... because there was no crossbar to hit.
 

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I was raging about this kick in the gameday thread. But I'm over it. The Cardinals are an atrocious--not even mediocre franchise--who never took enough chances imo. This is my positive take: There are several reasons to try this kick, and making it isn't the only one. We can set things up later off of this, there's absolutely no doubt. If teams know we're willing to kick from that distance, despite any circumstances, then later in the year we can run fakes and things off of it, when it really, actually matters. We almost caught them in a fake punt in the same game, when the gunners came in to rush, and I have to believe the 2 instances were related (as well as being coached by a chump on the other side of the ball). Our special teams should be applauded for being creative. Too often in the past special teams have literally lost us games. That return kick wasn't going to lose this game, there was still another half to be played, it would have required everyone on offense and defense to do nothing for that to be the winning play. I think in today's football, keeping opponents and coaching staffs off balance is more important than ever--the physical attributes of the players are by and large generally the same (they're all huge and extremely quick and fast), what separates players and coaches is being different and keeping the opponent off balance.
 

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Like... an imaginary call that has never happened in the last decade? Lol. Good e


Don’t dude. Just as there are Darksiders who can almost NEVER admit something good has happened, there’s the flip side of the coin for others who can never admit something bad or stupid happened.

I'm not your Dude. ;)

And, simply put, I had no problem with the call and like everyone else was disappointed, shocked by the result.
 

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I'm not your Dude. ;)

And, simply put, I had no problem with the call and like everyone else was disappointed, shocked by the result.

There were a lot of us that weren’t shocked by the result at all. Kingsbury put the team on the field in a terrible position there.
 

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Well, the successful 66-yard kick landed on the crossbar and rolled over fair so it's conceivable that's what would have happened to Prater's kick at 67. It was 7 feet lower.... because there was no crossbar to hit.

If it was one yard closer Agnew would have caught it about shoulder height. Still nowhere near making it.

Anyway. Moving on.
 

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Well, the successful 66-yard kick landed on the crossbar and rolled over fair so it's conceivable that's what would have happened to Prater's kick at 67. It was 7 feet lower.... because there was no crossbar to hit.
Lol. I’m going to keep typing this word: trajectory.

And why do you keep trumpeting 67 (Il even if that’s a fallacy)? It wasn’t a 67 yard kick.
 

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I was raging about this kick in the gameday thread. But I'm over it. The Cardinals are an atrocious--not even mediocre franchise--who never took enough chances imo. This is my positive take: There are several reasons to try this kick, and making it isn't the only one. We can set things up later off of this, there's absolutely no doubt. If teams know we're willing to kick from that distance, despite any circumstances, then later in the year we can run fakes and things off of it, when it really, actually matters. We almost caught them in a fake punt in the same game, when the gunners came in to rush, and I have to believe the 2 instances were related (as well as being coached by a chump on the other side of the ball). Our special teams should be applauded for being creative. Too often in the past special teams have literally lost us games. That return kick wasn't going to lose this game, there was still another half to be played, it would have required everyone on offense and defense to do nothing for that to be the winning play. I think in today's football, keeping opponents and coaching staffs off balance is more important than ever--the physical attributes of the players are by and large generally the same (they're all huge and extremely quick and fast), what separates players and coaches is being different and keeping the opponent off balance.
Uh, after what happened when we tried a 68 yard kick no one in their right mind will believe kK would try that foolishness again.
 

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If it was one yard closer Agnew would have caught it about shoulder height. Still nowhere near making it.

Anyway. Moving on.

Well, if we are going to keep moving the goalposts and we can't accept a few constants to help establish how much further the ball had to travel to reach 68 from 67, yes, let's move on.

Cheers
 

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Lol. I’m going to keep typing this word: trajectory.

And why do you keep trumpeting 67 (Il even if that’s a fallacy)? It wasn’t a 67 yard kick.

???

Because we were told that Prater's kick was 1-yard short - ergo 67.

And for the sake of argument, the trajectory of the 66-yard successful kick hit the crossbar and Prater's at 67 would conceivably have done the same. So then the question was how many yards more would have been needed to reach 68 at the 10ft level of the crossbar?

We know that beyond your "likes" of BritCard's position, you have nothing to add, so let's move on.
 
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Great post game interviews. I'll post it here since a few are asked about the kick. You can definitely tell Kyler has matured a lot since year 1.

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Well, the successful 66-yard kick landed on the crossbar and rolled over fair so it's conceivable that's what would have happened to Prater's kick at 67. It was 7 feet lower.... because there was no crossbar to hit.

Tucker did a hop step to gather more momentum which you never see. Prater if he juiced it up like that might’ve thrown off his mechanics.

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