That FG attempt

[Cheesebeef]

I have no problem with the call. I thought he was going to make it when I saw them lining up for the FG. I think Prater will beat the new record this year. I prefer this over a ball-less coach that plays it safe every time.

the only reason it was 68 yards was because our big ball'd coach went totally ball-less in the 5 yard chunk (sarcasm) plays to put us in a position to kick an idiotic FG, that ended up costing us a TD against us.

That wasn't balls to call that kick. It was lack of brains. The issue with Kliff is that sometimes he has balls and pays off and sometimes, he curls up into the fetal position, repeatedly now forcing our kickers into MUCH longer FGs than they should be facing. See last year's Miami and NE games for proof of that when we just BARELY got into FG range and Kliff's balls shriveled to the size of peanuts deciding to lay up for very long FGs instead of pushing the team to not only get closer, but maybe even score to fully put the game away.

he's wildly inconsistent as far as having "balls" as a coach.

 

[GatorAZ]

Pasch on the radio broadcast said it was well short. Other than a 68 yard FG attempt being dumb in general you never give an inferior team reason to potentially flip a game on a low % play. An an OL got hurt on the return to boot. This ain’t Madden.

 

[BritCard]

the only reason it was 68 yards was because our big ball'd coach went totally ball-less in the 5 yard chunk (sarcasm) plays to put us in a position to kick an idiotic FG, that ended up costing us a TD against us.

That wasn't balls to call that kick. It was lack of brains. The issue with Kliff is that sometimes he has balls and pays off and sometimes, he curls up into the fetal position, repeatedly now forcing our kickers into MUCH longer FGs than they should be facing. See last year's Miami and NE games for proof of that when we just BARELY got into FG range and Kliff's balls shriveled to the size of peanuts deciding to lay up for very long FGs instead of pushing the team to not only get closer, but maybe even score to fully put the game away.

he's wildly inconsistent as far as having "balls" as a coach.

Like when he goes for it on 4th and 3 on their 35, but shies out of going for it again on 4th and 2 on their 26.

What analytics say go for it on the first one but not the second one? None, because Kliff calls with too much emotion instead of brains. He will go for it on the first one because he's pissed off, but not the 2nd because he feels like he used up his luck. When neither are real factors.

 

[BritCard]

As bad as the decision was regarding the FG you also have to lay quite a lot of blame on the FG unit.

This is them trying to stop the return. You can see out front all the guys with the ability to tackle in the open field. They are way too heavily weighted on the left (with nobody right of the right hash and 3 outside the left) and they treat it far too much like a normal return where you are trying to stop return yards.

All you have to do is down Agnew anywhere and the half is over. They should be more split and rushing upfield less. Make Agnew choose a direction before committing.

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Within a second of Agnew's return 4 of the 6 guys likely to tackle him are complete taken out of the game.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Guess its easy to be a Monday morning QB and rip KK for the call but Prater has the leg and it worked a week ago from 62 yds out. The worse call was from Jags OC Bevell for a flea-flicker that was intercepted and run back by the Cards' Murphy for a TD. That really changed the game.

It’s not Monday morning QBing when we were yelling not to do it at the time. And 62 yards is something kickers make. 68 yards is something no kicker has ever made.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Every FG 60 and over is mathematically the wrong choice.

So why didn't we have page after page of 'yeah, buts...' after he hit from 62?

A) 62, while difficult, is makable as evidenced by others having hit 62
B) 68 is not, as evidenced by no kicker ever making it
C) that was one of the best current return men waiting for it to drop into his hands

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

the only reason it was 68 yards was because our big ball'd coach went totally ball-less in the 5 yard chunk (sarcasm) plays to put us in a position to kick an idiotic FG, that ended up costing us a TD against us.

That wasn't balls to call that kick. It was lack of brains. The issue with Kliff is that sometimes he has balls and pays off and sometimes, he curls up into the fetal position, repeatedly now forcing our kickers into MUCH longer FGs than they should be facing. See last year's Miami and NE games for proof of that when we just BARELY got into FG range and Kliff's balls shriveled to the size of peanuts deciding to lay up for very long FGs instead of pushing the team to not only get closer, but maybe even score to fully put the game away.

he's wildly inconsistent as far as having "balls" as a coach.

This.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Like when he goes for it on 4th and 3 on their 35, but shies out of going for it again on 4th and 2 on their 26.

What analytics say go for it on the first one but not the second one? None, because Kliff calls with too much emotion instead of brains. He will go for it on the first one because he's pissed off, but not the 2nd because he feels like he used up his luck. When neither are real factors.

This as well

 

[QuebecCard]

Pasch on the radio broadcast said it was well short. Other than a 68 yard FG attempt being dumb in general you never give an inferior team reason to potentially flip a game on a low % play. An an OL got hurt on the return to boot. This ain’t Madden.

It was a record-tying 109-yard return for a TD.

The end zone is 10 yards long.

So, Dave.... it wasn't well short.

 

[QuebecCard]

It’s not Monday morning QBing when we were yelling not to do it at the time. And 62 yards is something kickers make. 68 yards is something no kicker has ever made.

On a day, which saw a record setting 66 yard FG made, and Prater's was 1-yard short.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The dumbest thing about the FG attempt was the two plays before it. We had 21 seconds and 3 time outs. It was not the time to run or throw short. We needed to get downfield.

 

[ajcardfan]

Like when he goes for it on 4th and 3 on their 35, but shies out of going for it again on 4th and 2 on their 26.

What analytics say go for it on the first one but not the second one? None, because Kliff calls with too much emotion instead of brains. He will go for it on the first one because he's pissed off, but not the 2nd because he feels like he used up his luck. When neither are real factors.

Overall, I like how KK is aggressive on 4th downs and the results we have gotten. On this one though, I wanted him to kick the FG on the 1st 4th down. And, was relieved when he did on the second 4th down. We really needed points on that drive IMO. Something the stem the tide at that point in the game.

 

[ajcardfan]

The dumbest thing about the FG attempt was the two plays before it. We had 21 seconds and 3 time outs. It was not the time to run or throw short. We needed to get downfield.

There has been several times over the last 2 seasons when calling a draw in that situation has had good results. So good, that any DC worth his salt should be expecting it now. It did not surprise the Jags at all. They didn't bail out.

 

[BritCard]

Overall, I like how KK is aggressive on 4th downs and the results we have gotten. On this one though, I wanted him to kick the FG on the 1st 4th down. And, was relieved when he did on the second 4th down. We really needed points on that drive IMO. Something the stem the tide at that point in the game.

Same. Still doesn't make much sense though.

 

[GatorAZ]

It was a record-setting 109-yard return for a TD.

The end zone is 10 yards long.

So, Dave.... it wasn't well short.

Just pointing out he was in the stadium and said it was well short on the live call. And the crossbar is 10 feet high so there you go.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The dumbest thing about the FG attempt was the two plays before it. We had 21 seconds and 3 time outs. It was not the time to run or throw short. We needed to get downfield.

Strange play calls for sure

 

[cardncubfan]

A) 62, while difficult, is makable as evidenced by others having hit 62
B) 68 is not, as evidenced by no kicker ever making it
C) that was one of the best current return men waiting for it to drop into his hands

No kicker ever made 62 until they did. No kicker ever made 66 but it just happened Sunday. There's a first for everything. If it would have been last years kicker, then yeah stupid call. Prater has made them from this distance in practice. No problem with the call.

 

[daves]

What analytics say go for it on the first one but not the second one?

Under the circumstances, I thought they should've gone for it the second time as well. But, it is entirely possible that analytics favored going for it when the alternative was a 52-yard FG attempt, and kicking when it was a 43-yard FG attempt.

...dave

 

[THESMEL]

Ahhgg, made my nuts swell, nice try Kliff, Prater is the kicker you try that with. analytics say you stop the return , good job jags.
Cardinal up and take it like a fan!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It was a record-tying 109-yard return for a TD.

The end zone is 10 yards long.

So, Dave.... it wasn't well short.

You understand how trajectory works, right? It had to be at least several yards short.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

On a day, which saw a record setting 66 yard FG made, and Prater's was 1-yard short.

Maybe you need a class in mathematics or physics.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No kicker ever made 62 until they did. No kicker ever made 66 but it just happened Sunday. There's a first for everything. If it would have been last years kicker, then yeah stupid call. Prater has made them from this distance in practice. No problem with the call.

Not surprising. The next call you question will be your first.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Under the circumstances, I thought they should've gone for it the second time as well. But, it is entirely possible that analytics favored going for it when the alternative was a 52-yard FG attempt, and kicking when it was a 43-yard FG attempt.

...dave

But he’s a coach who regularly settles for long FG attempts. So that theory seems inconsistent with a “plan” and seems much more an emotionally driven ad hoc decision given his later decision to kick.

 

[QuebecCard]

You understand how trajectory works, right? It had to be at least several yards short.

Yes, I do, I'm an engineer and it wasn't "well" short.

"Several" is defined as more than two but not many.

Math, Physics, and elementary English would have told you that.

Feel free to keep 'dogging' me as an extension of your KK hate, if that turns your crank.

 

[cardncubfan]

Not surprising. The next call you question will be your first.

I question a lot of calls. Like running it up the gut 4 times in a row on first & goal & getting nowhere. Just because I don't create a thread calling for the coaches head doesn't mean I don't question calls.