The 2022 NBA Play-In Tournament + Playoffs Thread

[dscher]

I don't see the big deal, he's only playing with a broken face..

Lol. Honestly, his face in the post game interview looked ok. Booker and his nose last year were the real troopers..

 

[Finito]

Sorry but no. The championship stands far above the low points on his resume. How many blown opportunities would we wipe away for our own championship?

Wins, winning percentage and awards all suggest he's one of the best ever. Top 15? Who knows? But arguably top 15? Yes, as evidenced by the committee that put him on that list, even if by some chance it was influenced by reasons other than actual performance.

IOW, if you disagree that he's top 15 that's fine - but to argue that it's a joke he's on the list, I can't buy that.

I disagree and disagree hard. He’s done it with 4 different teams and you could argue even that Boston team underachieved by only winning 1

He’s been so great he’s on his 4th stop. He’s like 2 games above .500 in the playoffs. He’s pretty much just been around a long time. He’s a compiler

 

[Finito]

Yeah… I’m surprised by the lack of any refinement in his offensive game since he almost burst the bubble two years ago.

He shot a 15 footer and was a flat line brick. It was eye opening

However he’s really really good at what he’s asked to do

 

[Hoop Head]

I disagree and disagree hard. He’s done it with 4 different teams and you could argue even that Boston team underachieved by only winning 1

He’s been so great he’s on his 4th stop. He’s like 2 games above .500 in the playoffs. He’s pretty much just been around a long time. He’s a compiler

Doc is a modern day Lenny Wilkins as a coach. He keeps getting opportunities but doesn't really deserve them. He's coasting on the success he achieved early on as a coach.

 

[Finito]

Doc is a modern day Lenny Wilkins as a coach. He keeps getting opportunities but doesn't really deserve them. He's coasting on the success he achieved early on as a coach.

Yeah That championship was 14 years ago.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yeah That championship was 14 years ago.

And he should have won 2 with that squad. He also did a good job in Orlando before getting to Boston. The record doesn't reflect it that much but he overachieved and won a coach of the year award there.

 

[Finito]

And he should have won 2 with that squad. He also did a good job in Orlando before getting to Boston. The record doesn't reflect it that much but he overachieved and won a coach of the year award there.

Tracy McGrady: Man it feels great to be in the second round

 

[AzStevenCal]

I disagree and disagree hard. He’s done it with 4 different teams and you could argue even that Boston team underachieved by only winning 1

He’s been so great he’s on his 4th stop. He’s like 2 games above .500 in the playoffs. He’s pretty much just been around a long time. He’s a compiler

That's a weak argument. Larry Brown is the greatest coach at any level I've ever seen and he had 9 stops in the NBA, 2 in the ABA and 3 stops in college. George Karl is on the top 15 list and he coached 6 teams in the NBA. Jack Ramsay is on the list and he's coached 4 different NBA teams. Lennie Wilkens is 15th on the list and he has 4 teams on his resume.

This is a disagreement that can't be won by other side but you're ignoring all the facts so that you can focus on just his shortcomings. Like I said, I don't know if he belongs on that list but a panel of very knowledgable basketball minds put him there which AFAIC blows your argument out of the water. Wrong decision to put him on the list? Perhaps. But joke? Clearly, no.

 

[Finito]

That's a weak argument. Larry Brown is the greatest coach at any level I've ever seen and he had 9 stops in the NBA, 2 in the ABA and 3 stops in college. George Karl is on the top 15 list and he coached 6 teams in the NBA. Jack Ramsay is on the list and he's coached 4 different NBA teams. Lennie Wilkens is 15th on the list and he has 4 teams on his resume.

This is a disagreement that can't be won by other side but you're ignoring all the facts so that you can focus on just his shortcomings. Like I said, I don't know if he belongs on that list but a panel of very knowledgable basketball minds put him there which AFAIC blows your argument out of the water. Wrong decision to put him on the list? Perhaps. But joke? Clearly, no.

If you think Larry Brown is better than any coach you’ve ever seen and is better than BB, Nick Saban, Pop, Phil Jackson or Pat Rielly than that explains your love affaire with Doc Rivers who including one 1 championship run 13 years is pretty much .500 and the all time leader in blown 3-1 leads

 

[AzStevenCal]

If you think Larry Brown is better than any coach you’ve ever seen and is better than BB, Nick Saban, Pop, Phil Jackson or Pat Rielly than that explains your love affaire with Doc Rivers who including one 1 championship run 13 years is pretty much .500 and the all time leader in blown 3-1 leads

Larry was known for getting more out of his players than perhaps anyone. Obviously Red Auerbach had a lot more success (than any coach not named Wooden) but, although I grew up during his era, I didn't have access to much back then - so I don't know how much was his coaching and how much was all the other things he did. During my time the only NBA coach I'd put up there with Larry is Pop.

I didn't intend it to include all sports, I meant all levels of basketball. But regardless, I think you can put Larry near the top even if you widen it to all sports.

And why do you keep bringing up the playoffs as if it's the only thing that matters? Was this a greatest playoff coach list? No, it's the top 15 NBA coaches of all time. But, regardless, let's compare playoff Doc with some of the other names on this list.

Don Nelson had a sub .500 winning percentage in the postseason and never won a championship. Jack Ramsay had one championship with a playoff winning percentage of .431 compared to Doc's .512 percentage. Jerry Sloan had zero championships with a lower playoff winning percentage than Doc. Lenny won one championship but had a much lower winning percentage than Doc.

The longer you follow this game the clearer it becomes that playoff success involves an awful lot of luck. Doc wasn't the reason that Paul and Blake kept getting injured. Although he certainly deserves some blame for Embiid going from "playing while injured" to sitting on the bench with an unnecessary concussion but this list was compiled before that unsupportable decision to play Joel in garbage time.

And lastly, I have no love affair with Doc and if you were to search through everything I've posted in this discussion (or ever) you'd fail to find one single thing I've said that indicated I had any special appreciation of Doc as a coach.

I'm arguing facts and statistics, you're emotionally charged on the issue and arguing hype and nonsense. Anyway, ignore the facts, and just believe what you want - maybe the people that actually know the game inside and out are way off and it really is a joke he's on the list.

 

[Finito]

Larry was known for getting more out of his players than perhaps anyone. Red Auerbach had a lot more success (than any coach not named Wooden) but although I grew up during his era I didn't have access to much back then so I don't know how much was his coaching and how much was all the other things he did. During my time the only NBA coach I'd put up there with Larry is Pop.

I didn't intend it to include all sports, I meant all levels of basketball. But regardless, I think you can put Larry near the top even if you widen it to all sports.

And why do you keep bringing up the playoffs as if it's the only thing that matters? Was this a greatest playoff coach list? No, it's the top 15 NBA coaches of all time. But, regardless, let's compare Doc with some of the other names on the list.

Don Nelson had a sub .500 winning percentage in the postseason and never won a championship. Jack Ramsay had one championship with a playoff winning percentage of .431 compared to Doc's .512 percentage. Jerry Sloan had zero championships with a lower playoff winning percentage than Doc. Lenny won one championship but had a much lower winning percentage than Doc.

The longer you follow this game the clearer it becomes that playoff success involves an awful lot of luck. Doc wasn't the reason that Paul and Blake kept getting injured. Although he certainly deserves some blame for Embiid going from "playing while injured" to sitting on the bench with an unnecessary concussion.

And lastly, I have no love affair with Doc and if you were to search through everything I've posted in this discussion (or ever) you'd fail to find one single thing I've said that indicated I had any special appreciation of Doc as a coach.

I'm arguing facts and statistics, you're emotionally charged on the issue and arguing hype and nonsense. Anyway, ignore the facts, and just believe what you want - maybe the people that actually know the game inside and out are way off and it really is a joke he's on the list.

Listen bud

I’m gonna be honest with you. I’m not gonna read all that. I really don’t care that you think a .500 coach who’s blown more playoff leads than anyone in history is elite.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Listen bud

I’m gonna be honest with you. I’m not gonna read all that. I really don’t care that you think a .500 coach who’s blown more playoff leads than anyone in history is elite.

Yeah, don't let the facts get in your way. And I have never once said he was elite. I said it's not a "joke" for him to be on the top 15 all time list. I'd probably feel differently if it was a top 15 greatest playoff coaches of all time list but I'd have to do some research.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Listen bud

I’m gonna be honest with you. I’m not gonna read all that. I really don’t care that you think a .500 coach who’s blown more playoff leads than anyone in history is elite.

Lol it’s a good thing you didn’t read all that because he just blew your .500 coach argument outta the water.

 

[Finito]

Yeah, don't let the facts get in your way. And I have never once said he was elite. I said it's not a "joke" for him to be on the top 15 all time list. I'd probably feel differently if it was a top 15 greatest playoff coaches of all time list but I'd have to do some research.

*sighs*

What are these “facts”?


He has a lot of wins? Guess what just as many losses..FACTS.

More blown 3-1 leads than any other coach in history...FACTS.

Biggest choker and underachiever in the history of the playoffs...FACTS

You compare him to Sloan, Wilkins and Nelson and I don’t consider any of them elite either. Pretty much guys who are solid and coached a long time. Those guys are compilers and that’s the group Doc Rivers belongs in.

 

[AzStevenCal]

*sighs*

What are these “facts”?


He has a lot of wins? Guess what just as many losses..FACTS.

More blown 3-1 leads than any other coach in history...FACTS.

Biggest choker and underachiever in the history of the playoffs...FACTS

You compare him to Sloan, Wilkins and Nelson and I don’t consider any of them elite either. Pretty much guys who are solid and coached a long time. Those guys are compilers and that’s the group Doc Rivers belongs in.

Sorry but those aren't all facts. Biggest choker and underachiever are not facts they are opinions. And if you wanted it to be "fact", you should have said almost as many playoff losses as wins. It is a fact that he has more wins than playoff losses, it's also a fact that it's not by much. And again, this was not a list of 15 greatest playoff coaches.

It's a tough business. It's difficult to get a Head Coaching job and even tougher to hang onto that position. If you think so many of those coaches on the winningest list are just compilers, what must you think of all those other coaches who couldn't sustain an NBA coaching career?

 

[Finito]

Sorry but those aren't all facts. Biggest choker and underachiever are not facts they are opinions. And if you wanted it to be "fact", you should have said almost as many playoff losses as wins. It is a fact that he has more wins than playoff losses, it's also a fact that it's not by much. And again, this was not a list of 15 greatest playoff coaches.

It's a tough business. It's difficult to get a Head Coaching job and even tougher to hang onto that position. If you think so many of those coaches on the winningest list are just compilers, what must you think of all those other coaches who couldn't sustain an NBA coaching career?

No sorry that’s a fact

When you’ve blown more 3-1 series leads than anyone in history that kind of means your the biggest choker in the history of the playoffs I mean how else do you interpret it?

I think they are bad

 

[Russ Smith]

Steven Adams out of covid protocols will play tonight for Memphis

 

[Finito]

Steven Adams out of covid protocols will play tonight

I’m rooting for the Grizz

 

[95pro]

All this coach talk, I thought we were talking playoffs not regular season.

 

[GatorAZ]

That's a weak argument. Larry Brown is the greatest coach at any level I've ever seen and he had 9 stops in the NBA, 2 in the ABA and 3 stops in college. George Karl is on the top 15 list and he coached 6 teams in the NBA. Jack Ramsay is on the list and he's coached 4 different NBA teams. Lennie Wilkens is 15th on the list and he has 4 teams on his resume.

This is a disagreement that can't be won by other side but you're ignoring all the facts so that you can focus on just his shortcomings. Like I said, I don't know if he belongs on that list but a panel of very knowledgable basketball minds put him there which AFAIC blows your argument out of the water. Wrong decision to put him on the list? Perhaps. But joke? Clearly, no.

Larry Brown was a brilliant basketball mind but was a notorious wear-on-everyone type coach. He left two blueblood programs with sanctions @Russ Smith and burned a lot of bridges in the NBA. The 04’ Pistons were one of the greatest coaching jobs ever but the next year during the playoffs he wouldn’t publicly commit to his own team amid rumors he was leaving for more money. That would be like Monty talking to other teams about their coaching position right now. Guy was a scumbag but a great coach.

 

[Mainstreet]

All this coach talk, I thought we were talking playoffs not regular season.

These guys. Can't take your eye off of them for a second.

 

[Russ Smith]

I’m rooting for the Grizz

Rooting for the Warriors but I love Adams my dad is a Kiwi. I'm a dual citizen

 

[Russ Smith]

Larry Brown was a brilliant basketball mind but was a notorious wear-on-everyone type coach. He left two blueblood programs with sanctions @Russ Smith and burned a lot of bridges in the NBA. The 04’ Pistons were one of the greatest coaching jobs ever but the next year during the playoffs he wouldn’t publicly commit to his own team amid rumors he was leaving for more money. That would be like Monty talking to other teams about their coaching position right now. Guy was a scumbag but a great coach.

Brilliant coach but yes at UCLA he let the donors get too close to the program.

 

[nashman]

Hate the freaking Bucks they get every call and Giannis bulldozing people almost never gets called. Boston gets the shaft after a hard fought comeback of course the NBA has to help their golden boy it’s ridiculous!

 

[mjb21aztd]

Ugg bucks just good for boston hard l to rebound from....

Ohhhh welll hope celtics make it 7