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I have mixed feelings about the Suns trading for an older star. Durant will be 34 when the season starts.

The only way it makes sense is if the Suns think he is the missing piece to win a championship. He wasn't for the Nets.

Also the Suns would have few future assets.
 

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I have mixed feelings about the Suns trading for an older star. Durant will be 34 when the season starts.

The only way it makes sense is if the Suns think he is the missing piece to win a championship. He wasn't for the Nets.

Also the Suns would have few future assets.
To be fair, the Nets never had a stable lineup and could get no continuity. And they had James Harden, possibly the biggest or 2nd biggest black hole in the league.
 

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To be fair, the Nets never had a stable lineup and could get no continuity. And they had James Harden, possibly the biggest or 2nd biggest black hole in the league.

I'm not sure the Suns are one of those teams that can consistently contend and attract stars like the Heat, Lakers and Warriors.

Of course this may be the reason to swing for the fences if given the opportunity.
 

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It seems very unlikely, IMO, that Durant, Lebron or any other unicorn type player would want to play in Phoenix. Dreaming is free but the dream probably won’t be realized.
 

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I'm not sure the Suns are one of those teams that can consistently contend and attract stars like the Heat, Lakers and Warriors.

Of course this may be the reason to swing for the fences if given the opportunity.
I'm just saying that because it's not a foregone conclusion that Durant wants out and the organization might still want to run it back with a healthy Simmons.
 

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I'm not sure the Suns are one of those teams that can consistently contend and attract stars like the Heat, Lakers and Warriors.

Of course this may be the reason to swing for the fences if given the opportunity.
The Suns used to be. The Suns used to be a team that retooled on the fly. There is a reason the Suns have the fifth highest winning percentage (if you don't include inactive franchises) even though they haven't won a championship.

Phoenix is an attractive location for young rich athletes. No it's not LA or Miami, but it's better than the majority of NBA cities.
 

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I have mixed feelings about the Suns trading for an older star. Durant will be 34 when the season starts.

The only way it makes sense is if the Suns think he is the missing piece to win a championship. He wasn't for the Nets.

Also the Suns would have few future assets.

Brooklyn is a mess. KD is their team and has been since he's arrived and they still took the Bucks to the limit in the playoffs last year.

Kyrie missed a ton of time and doesn't seem to care. They had lazy Harden as well, who helped torpedo their season this year with Kyrie. He was hobbled last season when he did put in effort.

Outside of those guys the only other NBA player they have is Joe Harris, who is a great shooter but injury prone and doesn't offer much else.
 

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I'm just saying that because it's not a foregone conclusion that Durant wants out and the organization might still want to run it back with a healthy Simmons.

This is true.

The key would be a star saying he wants out and wants to be traded to a team like the Suns and Phoenix having the right chips to play: first round picks, expiring contracts and young players.
 

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The Suns used to be. The Suns used to be a team that retooled on the fly. There is a reason the Suns have the fifth highest winning percentage (if you don't include inactive franchises) even though they haven't won a championship.

Phoenix is an attractive location for young rich athletes. No it's not LA or Miami, but it's better than the majority of NBA cities.

A lot of that was under Jerry Colangelo though.
 

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I have mixed feelings about the Suns trading for an older star. Durant will be 34 when the season starts.

The only way it makes sense is if the Suns think he is the missing piece to win a championship. He wasn't for the Nets.

Also the Suns would have few future assets.

Yeah trading a 23 year old for a 34 year old who’s owed 200 million over the next four years and has an injury history doesn’t seem to smart

This is not prime KD we are talking about here.
 

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Brooklyn is a mess. KD is their team and has been since he's arrived and they still took the Bucks to the limit in the playoffs last year.

Kyrie missed a ton of time and doesn't seem to care. They had lazy Harden as well, who helped torpedo their season this year with Kyrie. He was hobbled last season when he did put in effort.

Outside of those guys the only other NBA player they have is Joe Harris, who is a great shooter but injury prone and doesn't offer much else.

I can see Durant wanting out but I could see a team like the Heat being an attractive destination. A lot would depend on how stars view the Suns and playing with Devin Booker.
 

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Yeah trading a 23 year old for a 34 year old who’s owed 200 million over the next four years and has an injury history doesn’t seem to smart

This is not prime KD we are talking about here.

It would the Suns trying to keep the window open by selling their future for the now. I'm not particularly fond of the idea.

There are those in the media who think Deandre Ayton will be traded. I'd like a better return than what a sign and trade offers.
 

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The Suns used to be. The Suns used to be a team that retooled on the fly. There is a reason the Suns have the fifth highest winning percentage (if you don't include inactive franchises) even though they haven't won a championship.

Phoenix is an attractive location for young rich athletes. No it's not LA or Miami, but it's better than the majority of NBA cities.
Phoenix has always been an attractive location for older players to come to die.
 

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So Flex brought up Embiid, KD and a little bit of Lebron

I’d give up anything to get Embiid even Booker, but he said it’s because of Booker guys want to come here and that he has a really good reputation with other players.

I’m not fond of KD or Lebron guys who are in there mid/late 30s making 50 million dollars a year isn’t something I want.

If Embiid and Booker two guys in there mid 20s are your two max guys then your about as well off as anybody in the NBA for the next 10 years
 

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So Flex brought up Embiid, KD and a little bit of Lebron

I’d give up anything to get Embiid even Booker, but he said it’s because of Booker guys want to come here and that he has a really good reputation with other players.

I’m not fond of KD or Lebron guys who are in there mid/late 30s making 50 million dollars a year isn’t something I want.

If Embiid and Booker two guys in there mid 20s are your two max guys then your about as well off as anybody in the NBA for the next 10 years
There's not alot I wouldn't do to see Book and Embid on the same team.
The NBA would have to step in they dont want that kind of firepower in Phoenix.
 

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I think we all have a fear that he gets traded to a team like the Spurs and they unlock something in his developmwnt and he turns into an Embid type of center. I don't think that is completely impossible because the difference in the player he is now and the player he was his rookie year is night and day.
I’ve watched Ayton for 5 years and have very little fear of him ever becoming that type of player. Embiid was already top-10 player at Ayton’s age and that was with a **** up back most of the time.
 

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I’ve watched Ayton for 5 years and have very little fear of him ever becoming that type of player. Embiid was already top-10 player at Ayton’s age and that was with a **** up back most of the time.

This was Ayton’s 4th year

And Embiid was absolutely not a top ten player by year 4. In his first 4 years he played 94 total games.

So in 4 years he pretty much played 1 season. Embiid didn’t have a good start to his career at all.
 

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This was Ayton’s 4th year

And Embiid was absolutely not a top ten player by year 4. In his first 4 years he played 94 total games.

So in 4 years he pretty much played 1 season. Embiid didn’t have a good start to his career at all.
Embiid was 2nd team all-NBA his age 23 season. Also 2nd team all defense and the best player on a team that won a playoff series in his 4th season.
 

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Embiid was 2nd team all-NBA his age 23 season. Also 2nd team all defense and the best player on a team that won a playoff series in his 4th season.

His 4th year was good but even then he was hurt. He didn’t play in 2 of the games in the series they won and his numbers really weren’t anything special in that series

I would say Ben Simmons was the best player on that team. That’s when Simmons was killing it before he became a mental case.
 

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So Flex brought up Embiid, KD and a little bit of Lebron

I’d give up anything to get Embiid even Booker, but he said it’s because of Booker guys want to come here and that he has a really good reputation with other players.

I’m not fond of KD or Lebron guys who are in there mid/late 30s making 50 million dollars a year isn’t something I want.

If Embiid and Booker two guys in there mid 20s are your two max guys then your about as well off as anybody in the NBA for the next 10 years

Embiid is a great player, no question about that, but I'm not sure how long his legs are going to hold up.

He fell down a lot in the playoffs for no reason.
 

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Embiid is a great player, no question about that, but I'm not sure how long his legs are going to hold up.

He fell down a lot in the playoffs for no reason.

The most games he’s ever played is 68. Yeah it’s a real issue with him, but he is in his 20s and I’ll bet on that instead of a 34 year old with an injury history
 

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The most games he’s ever played is 68. Yeah it’s a real issue with him, but he is in his 20s and I’ll bet on that instead of a 34 year old with an injury history

If Embiid could stay healthy through the playoffs for just one season, the Suns win a championship. Of course the Suns have to have Booker and a few other pieces.
 

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