The Ayton Plan

[Finito]

The Suns have to match an offer sheet for Ayton. They put themselves there. Now they may have to live with it.

Right it’s something we did to ourselves. This whole thing was handled poorly it’s like this front office doesn’t look ahead at all.

 

[Finito]

They really don't and might not unless they were bluffing about not wanting to pay him max. It may have been a bluff to get him for cheaper. Let's hope if this happens that they didn't permanently damage the relationship with Ayton. What worries me is the Monty relationship.

Monty will be gone the second Chris Paul is gone. I have no faith Monty can survive on his own

Unless you have a legit championship winning caliber coach you don’t choose him over talent in the NBA.

 

[Mainstreet]

Right it’s something we did to ourselves. This whole thing was handled poorly it’s like this front office doesn’t look ahead at all.

Exactly. The Suns devalued Jalen Smith as well.

 

[Finito]

Exactly. The Suns devalued Jalen Smith as well.

The national media has been calling this for a year now. The second he didn’t that extension last year guys like Bill Simmons we’re all over it saying Sarver isn’t going to pay him.

James Jones made a comment about Stix saying he wasn’t going to beat out McGee so it was pointless to have him on the roster. MCGee was on a 1 year deal and is his mid 30s and you might trade Ayton

You don’t think this 22 year old on a good contract had some value going forward?

This front office is driving me crazy

 

[Mainstreet]

The national media has been calling this for a year now. The second he didn’t that extension last year guys like Bill Simmons we’re all over it saying Sarver isn’t going to pay him.

James Jones made a comment about Stix saying he wasn’t going to beat out McGee so it was pointless to have him on the roster. MCGee was on a 1 year deal and is his mid 30s and you might trade Ayton

You don’t think this 22 year old on a good contract had some value going forward?

This front office is driving me crazy

What happened with Stix didn't make any sense.

Then they trade him and a second round pick for Torrey Craig who has a year left on his contract. smh

 

[Finito]

What happened with Stix didn't make any sense.

Then they trade him and a second round pick for Torrey Craig who has a year left on his contract. smh

It’s money

Look at this whole team. Paul is on his last fully guaranteed year, Shamet, Crowder, Saric, Craig are all about to be I think.

Cam Johnson is gonna want to get paid let’s see how that plays out but I can see him moved this offseason to

 

[Covert Rain]

What happened with Stix didn't make any sense.

Then they trade him and a second round pick for Torrey Craig who has a year left on his contract. smh

It does make sense if you follow the team's pattern over the years and making money saving moves. Stix would have taken up cap space and put them further over when they signed him to an extension. IMO it was all about money.

 

[Mainstreet]

It’s money

Look at this whole team. Paul is on his last fully guaranteed year, Shamet, Crowder, Saric, Craig are all about to be I think.

Cam Johnson is gonna want to get paid let’s see how that plays out but I can see him moved this offseason to

The Suns didn't save much money if at all by trading for Torrey Craig.

 

[Finito]

It does make sense if you follow the team's pattern over the years and making money saving moves. Stix would have taken up cap space and put them further over when they signed him to an extension. IMO it was all about money.

But that’s the thing the money wouldn’t kick in until his current contract was up.

So you screwed yourself trying to trade an asset who’s on an expiring contract.

 

[Mainstreet]

It does make sense if you follow the team's pattern over the years and making money saving moves. Stix would have taken up cap space and put them further over when they signed him to an extension. IMO it was all about money.

The Suns turned around and traded Stix for Craig who has another year left on his contract. It's not good business.

Smith would have had positive trade value if they didn't want to keep him.

 

[Folster]

If we do a sign and trade with Indiana, the max package we could get would be Turner, a young prospect like Isaiah Jackson and a pick. Hield in a larger trade could be possible if we sent out some contracts But Haliburton along with Duarte and Mathurin will be untouchable. We aren't getting any of those guys.

The whole trade will feel a lot like Joe Johnson part 2, but Turner is more proven than Diaw was and he would fit a need.

 

[Covert Rain]

But that’s the thing the money wouldn’t kick in until his current contract was up.

So you screwed yourself trying to trade an asset who’s on an expiring contract.

I think it was more the moderate term outlook. The Suns window with Paul is closing fast. He wasn't going to get a ton of playing time over other guys. It's just not how Monty and the Suns roll these days. If you look at the 9.6 million he got from the Pacers? That's still money they would have to pay him during the CP3 Window. The Suns would then have to worry about another extension after that with a guy likely not given a ton of playing time during that period.

I don't think the Suns were willing to shell out more money for an unproven young guy while in this window and pay more luxury tax. They would rather shuttle in veterans to round out the roster and take chances they can contribute if salary wise, they are up against it. If the Suns were way under the cap and not in a Window? It would be different.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think the Suns were willing to shell out more money for an unproven young guy while in this window and pay more luxury tax. They would rather shuttle in veterans to round out the roster and take chances they can contribute if salary wise, they are up against it. If the Suns were way under the cap and not in a Window? It would be different.

Then the Suns should have traded the pick or moved down in the draft.

 

[Covert Rain]

Then the Suns should have traded the pick or moved down in the draft.

Maybe but again the Suns don't seem to be the destination for young players you are looking to develop right now. They didn't seem too anxious to get in on the draft either.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe but again the Suns don't seem to be the destination for young players you are looking to develop right now. They didn't seem too anxious to get in on the draft either.

When James Jones said something like he might not have drafted Devin Booker that was enough for me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

When James Jones said something like he might not have drafted Devin Booker that was enough for me.

Yeah… that’s a problem.

 

[Mainstreet]

Reading this tweet, it sounds like the Pacers can't give Ayton an offer sheet until Saturday.

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[Covert Rain]

Reading this tweet, it sounds like the Pacers can't give Ayton an offer sheet until Saturday.

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So basically, we will know if Indiana/Ayton screws us in the next 48 hours (assuming the Suns are determined to move Ayton and needed him for trade assets in return) or if the Suns resign him and were bluffing all this time to get Ayton on the cheap.

 

[Folster]

Reading this tweet, it sounds like the Pacers can't give Ayton an offer sheet until Saturday.

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Correct, they could only announce intent and engage in sign and trade negotiations.

 

[Covert Rain]

Correct, they could only announce intent and engage in sign and trade negotiations.

Unless they intend to sign him to an offer sheet. Then a sign and trade is off the table. They will wait for Saturday. Either way it sounds like we might find out what a major piece of the offseason puzzle looks like this weekend.

 

[Folster]

Unless they intend to sign him to an offer sheet. Then a sign and trade is off the table. They will wait for Saturday. Either way it sounds like we might find out what a major piece of the offseason puzzle looks like this weekend.

Reports say they are interested in an offer sheet or a sign and trade. They are likely to or have already engaged in a sign and trade discussion. If those break down they may just throw an offer sheet at him Saturday.

 

[Mainstreet]

So basically, we will know if Indiana/Ayton screws us in the next 48 hours (assuming the Suns are determined to move Ayton and needed him for trade assets in return) or if the Suns resign him and were bluffing all this time to get Ayton on the cheap.

Correct, they could only announce intent and engage in sign and trade negotiations.

This has gone on too long already for my liking.

Myles Turner alone (expiring contract) doesn't do much for me in a sign-and-trade. The Pacers need to sweeten the deal.

 

[Finito]

What if…now hear me out.

We trade DA for Turner and 3 1st

Then we trade
Utah gets:
5 1st
2 pick swaps
Cam Johnson
Jae Crowder(expiring)
Saric(expiring)
Craig(expiring)

Suns get:
Spida

 

[Mainstreet]

What if…now hear me out.

We trade DA for Turner and 3 1st

Then we trade
Utah gets:
5 1st
2 pick swaps
Cam Johnson
Jae Crowder(expiring)
Saric(expiring)
Craig(expiring)

Suns get:
Spida

Then all those who dislike Donovan Mitchell will sound off.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What if…now hear me out.

We trade DA for Turner and 3 1st

Then we trade
Utah gets:
5 1st
2 pick swaps
Cam Johnson
Jae Crowder(expiring)
Saric(expiring)
Craig(expiring)

Suns get:
Spida

Dude… what universe are you living in that Ayton gets us 3 first round picks alone, much less 3 firsts and Turner. That is not realistic for an RFA who’s door does seem to be being beaten down.