The Ayton Plan

[Mainstreet]

No it’s been determined that only the Pacers think he is worth the max. All of the other teams ate up their cap space when they had it available to give to Ayton or passed. That doesn’t mean his value across the league was what Indiana thought it was. The Suns motivation would be to not let him walk for nothing.




I am sayin I don’t see the Pacers doing the Suns any favors. They want to sign him straight up and call the Suns on not letting him walk. The Suns are on the clock so the Pacers would likely use them to get the Suns to come down on what they are demanding. The Suns on the other hand could be telling them we are definitely matching so up your offer.

Seems like a game of chicken.

It only takes one team to determine market value.

 

[Finito]

Who cares what kind of message that sends? Do what is best for this team. Manage the caps and assets to the Suns best advantage. DA has not earned the Devin Booker treatment.

Because how you treat players matter. No players have more power or talk to eachother as much as NBA players.

 

[Covert Rain]

No, the pacers have set his market. That has nothing to do with what he’s actually worth.

There is always one dumb team in every sports willing to overspend. Usually it’s the Suns for aging vets.

 

[Mainstreet]

No, the pacers have set his market. That has nothing to do with what he’s actually worth.

It only takes one team to set market value. The Pacers have said he is worth the max.

 

[Finito]

It only takes one team to determine market value.

If someone is willing to pay it that’s what your worth.

It’s a trash argument that one team offered him that. Are all 32 supposed to? I think only 3 teams could of even offered him that anyway Indy, Detriot and SA.

The Pistons struck gold in the draft cause the Knicks are collecting picks for Mitchell and SA is obviously going into rebuild mode

 

[Finito]

No, the pacers have set his market. That has nothing to do with what he’s actually worth.

Your worth what someone is willing to pay you.

 

[Covert Rain]

It only takes one team to determine market value.

That‘s an overused cliche. Market value is not one team. There was no competing market for him at that price. Teams have in almost every sport overpaid market value of a player out of desperation. Every league has ridiculous contracts they are trying to move. We have seen this time and time again in Valley sports.

 

[Proximo]

Just listened to Gambo on the radio.

He says suns aren't interested in a sign and trade with Indiana because they don't like anything they have to offer.

He says Suns will match. That they knew this was likely.

Says Suns aren't out of it for Durant, but roster will be gutted and basically would just be CP3, Booker, KD, and Ayton.

Says that trade is not likely to happen soon though.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Mid Season buy outs people would be flocking to fill out that rest of that team.

 

[Finito]

Just listened to Gambo on the radio.

He says suns aren't interested in a sign and trade with Indiana because they don't like anything they have to offer.

He says Suns will match. That they knew this was likely.

Says Suns aren't out of it for Durant, but roster will be gutted and basically would just be CP3, Booker, KD, and Ayton.

Says that trade is not likely to happen soon though.

It was kind of gonna be gutted anyway. Stars win championships not the Landry Shamets of the world.

It could still be a three team trade who knows.

 

[Finito]

Mid Season buy outs people would be flocking to fill out that rest of that team.

Yup

 

[Muggz]

Max Contracts are no longer based on skill. It's all about Time In now. That's the CBA
And they are getting a raise soon.

 

[Proximo]

It was kind of gonna be gutted anyway. Stars win championships not the Landry Shamets of the world.

It could still be a three team trade who knows.

Well this all could end up being a bluff.

Maybe Ayton never actually ends up signing the offer sheet, and decides to wait a while longer for a multi team deal once he realizes Suns are prepared to match and keep him here.

 

[Covert Rain]

Just listened to Gambo on the radio.

He says suns aren't interested in a sign and trade with Indiana because they don't like anything they have to offer.

He says Suns will match. That they knew this was likely.

Says Suns aren't out of it for Durant, but roster will be gutted and basically would just be CP3, Booker, KD, and Ayton.

Says that trade is not likely to happen soon though.

If true the Suns likely never had seen value in a sign and trade directly with the Indiana. Maybe the source of all the 3 way trades? Sounds like the Suns are taking a similar direction with Nets in that they have an idea how much he is worth and if they don’t get it? Match.

 

[Proximo]

Yup

Yeah, not to mention we could trade Ayton for a few role players at the deadline to balance it out some.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It only takes one team to set market value. The Pacers have said he is worth the max.

You’re conflating market value with worth. They are not the same.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If someone is willing to pay it that’s what your worth.

It’s a trash argument that one team offered him that. Are all 32 supposed to? I think only 3 teams could of even offered him that anyway Indy, Detriot and SA.

The Pistons struck gold in the draft cause the Knicks are collecting picks for Mitchell and SA is obviously going into rebuild mode

You’re making the same error that mainstream is. The truth is a players worth is different for every team. His market value is the same. They are not the same concepts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Your worth what someone is willing to pay you.

You can buy something from the store that wasn’t worth what you paid for it, but what you paid was market value. They are not the same. If they were the question “was worth it?” wouldn’t exist because if you paid for it, by your logic, it’s automatically worth it.

 

[Mainstreet]

You’re conflating market value with worth. They are not the same.

Market value is what a team will pay for a player in an open market. NBA free agency is such a market.

 

[Dback Jon]

Mid Season buy outs people would be flocking to fill out that rest of that team.

And as we have seen, regular season and home court aren't all that it is cracked up to be - just make the playoffs.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It was kind of gonna be gutted anyway. Stars win championships not the Landry Shamets of the world.

It could still be a three team trade who knows.

The big loss would be Mikal.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The big loss would be Mikal.

If we just run it back, I am not going to cry about it. Durant would be amazing but keeping these guys all together is a decent door #2.

 

[Proximo]

If we just run it back, I am not going to cry about it. Durant would be amazing but keeping these guys all together is a decent door #2.

Is it though?

You really believe with CP3 another year older that we have a realistic chance?

I mean if everything went perfectly maybe, but I think just Ayton not being bought in would be enough to guarentee failure.

 

[TRW]

4 years $133 million offer sheet signed with Pacers.Offer Sheet

 

[Covert Rain]

You’re conflating market value with worth. They are not the same.

I sold a house for 37K over market value. No other home on the market was close to that price for that model/size. Clients from MI were desperate at the time and paid over asking price to guarantee they got the house. The paperwork was done that day. It closed shortly after and then the husband died days later. The wife decided not to move and put the house up days later. She couldn’t get what she paid for it. The were the only ones willing to pay that to begin with. The Comps for the area didn’t change for that area because of that one sale. She ended up selling it for market value and lost the 37k they overpaid for it. The market never was what they paid for it.

Same things happen in sports when teams are forced to throw in picks to make up for the lack of market value. They couldn’t move the player otherwise. What one team is willing to pay IS NOT market value. That’s just selling price.