The Bean will not feed the Drew

[THESMEL]

The Bean is on the mend, Whiz said he played on one leg! Imagine f he had both legs and the team had the WILL to run. Not just RWILL but the WILL!

Jan. 25, 2012 9:38 a.m. - by Craig Morgan - Clarification on RB Wells' knee operation
RB Beanie Wells' surgical procedure on Tuesday was to resurface his right knee. It was not a micro-fracture procedure as some outlets reported. The procedure was performed by Dr. James Andrews in Florida. Cardinals RapidReports



After firing agent Drew Rosenhaus, RB Beanie Wells hired Sean Howard of Octagon Sports, the Sports Business Journal reported. Cardinals RapidReports

link
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/player/1117597/beanie-wells

Chester Taylor was brought in as a stopgap after rookie Ryan Williams (knee) was lost for the year in preseason. At 32, Taylor’s skills appear diminished. With Williams back and RBs Beanie Wells, LaRod Stephens-Howling and Alfonso Smith in the fold, Taylor won’t likely be back. Cardinals RapidReports

 

[WildBB]

Hopefully R. Williams can come all the way back and be THE EFFECTIVE FORCE they envisioned him to be in the 2 BACK SYSTEM.

Wells needs to be spelled to stay healthy FULL SEASON(S).

 

[Goodyear Card]

http://www.jointreconstruction.com/kneearthritis/kneeresf.htm

a good explanation of knee resurfacing.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder how effective resurfacing the knee is, especially for a RB. On first glance, it does not make me feel good.

 

[Darkside]

Confused now (a common condition of mine). Yesterday Somers reported Beanie as saying the procedure was, "just a scope" and a simple clean-up. Has he had more than one procedure or is this the same one?

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...eanie-wells-arizona-cardinals-rehab-knee.html

 

[Darkside]

There's also a post in rapid-reports that the Cards will franchise tag Campbell, which I hadn't heard was official (granted, I could be behind on my news).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/ARI

 

[Mainstreet]

Confused now (a common condition of mine). Yesterday Somers reported Beanie as saying the procedure was, "just a scope" and a simple clean-up. Has he had more than one procedure or is this the same one?

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...eanie-wells-arizona-cardinals-rehab-knee.html

I've read elsewhere as well it was just a scope. It's very confusing at this point. Let's hope it was just a scope and it took care of the problem.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Doesn't sound like the recovery is too bad or anything serious.

Knee Resurfacing: results
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]These results are averages, remember that each case is individualised, depending on your general health, age, and attitude.[/FONT]

• [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]0 - 2 weeks after surgery: your activity level is usually limited, however, you will be able to walk independently, use the bathroom, and perform normal activities of daily living.[/FONT]
• [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]2 - 4 weeks you will be able to engage in moderate activities, i.e. driving a car and climbing stairs. [/FONT]
• [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Within 6 weeks, you will have resumed most of your normal activities. Squatting and kneeling come with time.[/FONT]
• [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Complete surgical healing takes 6 - 8 weeks. During this time some swelling and discomfort is normal and should be manageable with prescribed medications. After this time the knee tissue begins to soften and become more natural.[/FONT]
• [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Some patients may notice a small area of numbness on the lateral aspect (outside area) of the knee incision. This may or may not resolve over time. Some patients require an injection of cortisone (after 5-6 weeks) to relieve tissue soreness due to inflammation from surgery and re-adjustment of the knee joint[/FONT]

 

[WildBB]

There's also a post in rapid-reports that the Cards will franchise tag Campbell, which I hadn't heard was official (granted, I could be behind on my news).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/ARI

Here we go again. Dansby, all over again.

This makes no f'n sense!

 

[Duckjake]

Here we go again. Dansby, all over again.

This makes no f'n sense!

$5 million for Bradley, $10 million for Colledge, but they can't get a deal done with Campbell?

Question: Is the franchise tag amount treated as salary and paid out over the 17 weeks of the season or does it have to be paid all at once. I know once the deal is done the salary is guaranteed for the 2012 NFL season.

 

[Buckybird]

Here we go again. Dansby, all over again.

This makes no f'n sense!

Makes perfect sense when the human snail & Mr B are still in the picture. Me & a few others saw this coming last year after the team paid out mega-bucks in up front $$$. It doesn't make sense to us fans...it's just how the Cards operate.

 

[52brandon]

Here we go again. Dansby, all over again.

This makes no f'n sense!

I don't think so. Or I hope not, is a better way to put it. Campbell took it in stride though, love that guy, "I'm still living the dream". I hope it'll be more like Suggs in B-More a couple years ago when they got his contract ironed out during his tagged season

 

[Mainstreet]

Can Campbell continually be a franchise player year after year (is there a maximum number of times he can be franchised) or can the Cardinals at some point in time reach a long term contract agreement with him and remove the franchise tag?

 

[splitsecond]

we are waaaaay far away from needing to use the tag yet. calm down.

 

[Darkside]

$5 million for Bradley, $10 million for Colledge, but they can't get a deal done with Campbell?

Question: Is the franchise tag amount treated as salary and paid out over the 17 weeks of the season or does it have to be paid all at once. I know once the deal is done the salary is guaranteed for the 2012 NFL season.

Couldn't find an answer as to the salary aspect, but the new CBA changed the franchise tag rules:

"The calculation for the Tag is now no longer based on the average of the top five salaries for a player’s position for the preceding year, but the average of the top five salaries at a player’s position for the preceding FIVE years! Thus, for 2012, Franchise Tag calculations compute from the top five salaries at each position – not from 2011 – but from an average of the top five salaries at each position for 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011."

Obviously this will significantly reduce the amount the Cards will have to pay if they do tag Campbell. They give some #'s at the bottom of the article regarding different positions.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tougher-Game-of-Tag.html

Mainstreet, in answer to your question: "there is no limitation on the number of consecutive uses of the Franchise Tag on the same player." From the same article.

 

[40yearfan]

Couldn't find an answer as to the salary aspect, but the new CBA changed the franchise tag rules:

"The calculation for the Tag is now no longer based on the average of the top five salaries for a player’s position for the preceding year, but the average of the top five salaries at a player’s position for the preceding FIVE years! Thus, for 2012, Franchise Tag calculations compute from the top five salaries at each position – not from 2011 – but from an average of the top five salaries at each position for 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011."

Obviously this will significantly reduce the amount the Cards will have to pay if they do tag Campbell. They give some #'s at the bottom of the article regarding different positions.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tougher-Game-of-Tag.html

Mainstreet, in answer to your question: "there is no limitation on the number of consecutive uses of the Franchise Tag on the same player." From the same article.

This in itself should make CC and his agent want to get a contract done.

 

[WildBB]

In reading the article, I saw this also:

Of course, as noted in (B) above, if a player is coming off a season as a Tag player or had a very high salary number in his previous year, he is still protected, as the Tag will be 120% of his previous year’s number. And, although if a player is tagged three consecutive seasons he must have the highest Tag number available, there is no limitation on the number of consecutive uses of the Franchise Tag on the same player.

So, although the salary will jump every year, there is no limit now, unlike when the Dansby fiasco occured. They are operating with some leverage here, and using it.

Quote: Advantage to Teams

The effect of this new provision, which was strongly pushed by the NFL in its negotiations with the NFLPA, is to create a couple of advantages for NFL teams: (1) the Tag numbers will be lower, pulling from a more dated pool of numbers, and (2) teams can now use the Tag designation as a greater leverage point in negotiations that is stronger than it was previously.

 

[Mainstreet]

Mainstreet, in answer to your question: "there is no limitation on the number of consecutive uses of the Franchise Tag on the same player." From the same article.

Thanks for the clarification Darkside.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't think so. Or I hope not, is a better way to put it. Campbell took it in stride though, love that guy, "I'm still living the dream". I hope it'll be more like Suggs in B-More a couple years ago when they got his contract ironed out during his tagged season

Dansby never complained about the tag either and we saw how that worked out.

 

[Duckjake]

This in itself should make CC and his agent want to get a contract done.

Maybe. Two years on the tag = $20 million and each year that $10 million is guaranteed in March.

One thing that makes the Campbell case unique is that he is only 25. That's 2-3 years younger than most players who are franchised. Woodley, Ngata, Dansby all 27 when franchised. So Calais could come out with $20 million and still be a highly sought after free agent.

There is the injury risk but a young guy like Campbell could come out ahead being tagged.

Walter Jones was franchised for 3 years. He had turned down a 6 year deal for $36 million and ended up earning $43.8 million during those 6 years.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/2294/case-study-franchise-player-designation

Dansby got around $36.4 million for for 4 years, 2008-2011. I can't find information on what the Cards were offering him in 2008 but I doubt it was $36.4 million for 4 years. Odd that Dansby ended up averaging $9 million a season.

The Cardinals franchised Karlos Dansby in February and at the time, both sides were reportedly optimistic about reaching a long term deal. It turns out though that they weren't ever very close to agreeing on Dansby's value. As a result, Dansby will play the 2008 season with just over $8 million guaranteed and then he'll be an unrestricted free agent. I've mentioned several times that Dansby wanted/wants a deal that averages $9 million a season.

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2008/7/16/572601/arizona-cardinals-and-karl

 

[52brandon]

Dansby never complained about the tag either and we saw how that worked out.

I think I prefer the new guy wearing his number anyways. And I was under the impression that the 2 sides were far apart on his salary

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Lmao no way CC signs a contract yet. Hell at least hold out until just before to make sure someone else doesn't receive a fat contract that only makes CC more expensive.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I think I prefer the new guy wearing his number anyways. And I was under the impression that the 2 sides were far apart on his salary

Never far away on salary. It was the guaranteed money that they didn't agree on. Same with Rolle. In both circumstances the opposing team offered more guaranteed money that we refused to match. In both circumstance we have appeared to have made good decisions too.

 

[52brandon]

Never far away on salary. It was the guaranteed money that they didn't agree on. Same with Rolle. In both circumstances the opposing team offered more guaranteed money that we refused to match. In both circumstance we have appeared to have made good decisions too.

yeah, NYG made Rolle the highest paid S in the NFL when he was never even the best on this team. And I don't even know where Dansby went, but I don't think I've heard his name since he left

 

[THESMEL]

agree

Role and Dansby OK SB losses for the same money , its the A Smiths, R Wells, and others, the fact that q signed for much less at the Ravens, We made a top 5 WR offer to Q before Fitz's contract( time before last)

Drew said it was the bonus money too, But the Cards had not finished paying Q's former contract bonus befor Q and DD started faking injury and crying for more and more. Cutt Matt Leinart cause he couldn't stomach it.

Kurt could have signed with the Niners! I guess AW was a happy signing, I'll go with that as the best. But that and Fitz was graves and Whiz's only drafted Cards signings in 5 prior years! That inckudes our SB team! Stupid is as stupid does!

Never far away on salary. It was the guaranteed money that they didn't agree on. Same with Rolle. In both circumstances the opposing team offered more guaranteed money that we refused to match. In both circumstance we have appeared to have made good decisions too.