The Big Guys Say Gabbert

[john h]

The Big Guy say Gabbert and say why:

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Kiper says this about the pick of Gabbert:

I could also see Arizona getting creative and looking for a veteran arm such as Kolb, but Gabbert is the quarterback in the draft most likely to help a team soonest, and if he's available here, it might be tough for Arizona to pass on him. He offers elite size, accuracy, athleticism and the smarts to pick things up quickly at the NFL level. This is a pick I could see going in several directions, but if Arizona isn't confident they can get a suitable veteran fix in at quarterback, Gabbert is a good choice.

McShay justifies his projection this way:

With Miller off the board, Gabbert is a no-brainer here. The Cardinals might have a trying season in 2011 with a rookie quarterback at the helm but the team cannot believe that Max Hall or John Skelton is the long-term answer at the position. Gabbert might not be the first quarterback off the board but I believe his combination of intangibles, mental makeup and accuracy will make him the best quarterback from the 2011 class when all is said and done.

With the quarterback need taken care of in the first round, the Cardinals turn their attention to the pass rush in the second round. Kiper projects that the Cardinals will take Arizona's Brooks Reed and McShay has them selecting UCLA's Akeem Ayers in the second round."

Also, do not forget that the Bidwills themselves went out to watch Gabbert work out.

 

[Pariah]

Gabbert/Ayers would be a good start, IMO. I could get very much onboard with that draft.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Gabbert/Ayers would be a good start, IMO. I could get very much onboard with that draft.

Yeah I would be pretty content with that draft.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm certain the pick will be Gabbert.

Two reasons:

1. Of all the players rumored to go to the Cardinals he is the one I like least.

2. It's a Cardinal tradition to let go a guy they drafted in the first round and then use their first round pick in the next draft to take the same guy.

 

[joeshmo]

I find it pretty funny. The big three national guys are dead set in their Gabbert predictions. Yet the big three local guys (Somers, Urban, Sando), think it is a foregone conclusion that the pick WILL NOT be a QB.

I dont think I have seen so much disconnect between National and Local before.

I am going with the locals on this one as they are far more right then the national guys who still dont seem to have the pulse of this team.

 

[lobo]

I find it pretty funny. The big three national guys are dead set in their Gabbert predictions. Yet the big three local guys (Somers, Urban, Sando), think it is a foregone conclusion that the pick WILL NOT be a QB.

I dont think I have seen so much disconnect between National and Local before.

I am going with the locals on this one as they are far more right then the national guys who still dont seem to have the pulse of this team.

I'm in your corner and sure hope you are right!!

 

[Pariah]

2. It's a Cardinal tradition to let go a guy they drafted in the first round and then use their first round pick in the next draft to take the same guy.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[WildBB]

I find it pretty funny. The big three national guys are dead set in their Gabbert predictions. Yet the big three local guys (Somers, Urban, Sando), think it is a foregone conclusion that the pick WILL NOT be a QB.

I dont think I have seen so much disconnect between National and Local before.

I am going with the locals on this one as they are far more right then the national guys who still dont seem to have the pulse of this team.

If we do keep that 5th pick (not so sure), I'm beginning to lean towards the pick being D, pretty much wherever we trade to in the 1st round, the pick will probably be D.

Miller, Quinn or Peterson with the 5th. Not in that order, but who they'll choose. If they trade out, there are a number of good choices still. (Amukamara, Jordan, Clayborne, Kerrigan, Houston, Smith).



If they do want another QB or if one they like is available to them, they may pull that trigger in the 2nd. Or not, maybe they'll wait and take McElroy at the top of the 5th rnd.

 

[Stout]

Just goes to show how the big talking heads can be so full of themselves. They want to 'project' him to be an accurate QB, so they say it as fact. My beagle could be an accurate QB while averaging--what is it--6 yds or so a completion?

Just say NO THANK YOU to Gabbert.

 

[JeffGollin]

I just blogged on the BRS that I don't have a clue.

In trying to scope out the Cardinal draft, the first thing I'd do is to create and stack a hybrid QB-only board of FA and Cardinal veterans and rookie prospects to see how things line up. (Obviously, part of each veteran's rating would be tied to the likelihood we could sign him).

Most if not all of the evaluation process would be devoted to determining how much we'd lose or gain in the short and long range by either (a) signing a veteran and drafting a rookie QB (for insurance) in a later round or (b) signing Gabbert or Newton (plus a veteran backup FA (for insurance).

Note - The wildcard then becomes Skelton - which is as it should be. If he can prove he's better than either the vet or the rook, he could conceivably earn his way into a starting role. If not, he holds the clipboard while he watches and learns.

Personally, I am not all that thrilled with the veteran FA QB's who are out there - from Bulger to Kolb. (We can "hope" that Palmer regains his mojo or that McNabb or Hassebeck still have a year left in the tank - but that's all it is: "a hope, a wing & a prayer").

If both Gabbert and Newton are gone by #5 (assuming we wanted either of them), it puts us in the fascinating position of choosing either Miller, Dareus or Peterson (& going to our fallback plan of FA Veteran plus later-round rookie).

All of which puts every option under the sun on the table - and, as I said, I have no idea of what will happen on Draft Day - it could go 10 different ways.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Akeem ayers is gonna be a bust in NFL.

 

[desertdawg]

Note - The wildcard then becomes Skelton - which is as it should be. If he can prove he's better than either the vet or the rook, he could conceivably earn his way into a starting role. If not, he holds the clipboard while he watches and learns.

Personally, I am not all that thrilled with the veteran FA QB's who are out there - from Bulger to Kolb. (We can "hope" that Palmer regains his mojo or that McNabb or Hassebeck still have a year left in the tank - but that's all it is: "a hope, a wing & a prayer").

If both Gabbert and Newton are gone by #5 (assuming we wanted either of them), it puts us in the fascinating position of choosing either Miller, Dareus or Peterson (& going to our fallback plan of FA Veteran plus later-round rookie).

All of which puts every option under the sun on the table - and, as I said, I have no idea of what will happen on Draft Day - it could go 10 different ways.

Yamon. ( I am trying to cut down on the yamon, and only use it when I have too )

 

[Cardiac]

I find it pretty funny. The big three national guys are dead set in their Gabbert predictions. Yet the big three local guys (Somers, Urban, Sando), think it is a foregone conclusion that the pick WILL NOT be a QB.

I dont think I have seen so much disconnect between National and Local before.

I am going with the locals on this one as they are far more right then the national guys who still dont seem to have the pulse of this team.

NFL network had the Cards on the clock yesterday. Mayock, Lombardi & C Davis all said the Cards have to take Gabbert if he is there. HAVE TO.
Only the Panthers had a worse collective QB rating then the Cards. Lombardi said that Bulger can't play for 8 different teams next year so it is not a lock the Cards will be able to sign him when FA starts.

Urban was on as the Cards rep and he stated that Miller was the Cards first choice.

I think you are right joe as I haven't seen a big smoke screen come from the Cards for quite some time now.

On the other hand Bill Sr has already invested a dinner into Gabbert and he hates to waste money.

 

[LarryStalling]

Something to keep in mind, Sr. has a particular affinity to having a player from Illinois or Missouri on the team. I think that this gives Gabbert a leg up.

 

[WildBB]

Yamon. ( I am trying to cut down on the yamon, and only use it when I have too )

You can also use the , the standard post padding icon.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Short of having a backroom deal for Kolb involving a 2012 pick, I'm with Mayoch on this one. Gabbert, if there, followed by Miller or Peterson. One of the three should be there at #5. If we don't go with a QB in round one (and there isn't a trade deal in place for a 2012 pick) then QB becomes a consideration in round 2.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

For the most part the big three heads don't always do very well in draft prediction. For instance the Panthers will trade down or take AJ Green, mark my words on this. When the guy is compared to Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Keyshawn Johnson and Andre Johnson(depending on your website) people notice. WR is the PRIMARY need for the Panthers, so they won't stray far. For us Gabbert Shmabbert, he is our fourth option, regardless of the bobble head speak. #1 Miller, #2 Peterson, #3 trade down with NE, #4 Gabbert. Whiz couldn't handle Leinart, so what would he do with Newton(in case someone thinks this is viable)??? his head might explode.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

For the most part the big three heads don't always do very well in draft prediction. For instance the Panthers will trade down or take AJ Green, mark my words on this. When the guy is compared to Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Keyshawn Johnson and Andre Johnson(depending on your website) people notice. WR is the PRIMARY need for the Panthers, so they won't stray far. For us Gabbert Shmabbert, he is our fourth option, regardless of the bobble head speak. #1 Miller, #2 Peterson, #3 trade down with NE, #4 Gabbert. Whiz couldn't handle Leinart, so what would he do with Newton(in case someone thinks this is viable)??? his head might explode.

If you're talking about the NFL Network guys; they've already postulated the possibility of Green at one... so I'll mark their words. And, with respect, you have no idea as to how the Cards have set up their draft board.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I'm not a big Gabbert fan, but he has to be in the conversations for the #5 pick. I think we have been talking draft so much these past 4 months that many of us forget how horrible the offense and particularly the quarterback play was this past season. As things stand right now, the Cardinals in my opinion have the worst quarterback situation in the NFL. Anderson is the worst starting QB in the league, John Skelton is a 5th round pick from Fordham who played decent in meaningless games at the end of the year (and that included getting beat by the Carolina Panthers),and Max Hall who shouldn't ever step foot on an NFL field again.

I'll take the word of the so called experts when they say that Gabbert has the goods to be good in the NFL. To often, fans get caught up in statistics. The guy Gabbert replaced at Missouri was in the top 10 alltime for passing yards in college football and he isn't even in the league. The knock on Gabbert during his time at Mizzou always was that he would be a better fit in an NFL style offense than the spread offense run at Missouri.

Gabbert's not my top choice either, but history has shown that Super Bowls aren't won by teams that have constant turnover at the QB position. Picking up an bandaid like a Bulger or Orton will be just that, a short term bandaid that gets us nowhere. I'd rather roll the dice on a kid like Gabbert than giving up multiple picks for Kevin Kolb. Gabbert may bomb, but it just may be worth the risk.

 

[DoTheDew]

I'm not a big Gabbert fan, but he has to be in the conversations for the #5 pick. I think we have been talking draft so much these past 4 months that many of us forget how horrible the offense and particularly the quarterback play was this past season. As things stand right now, the Cardinals in my opinion have the worst quarterback situation in the NFL. Anderson is the worst starting QB in the league, John Skelton is a 5th round pick from Fordham who played decent in meaningless games at the end of the year (and that included getting beat by the Carolina Panthers),and Max Hall who shouldn't ever step foot on an NFL field again.

I'll take the word of the so called experts when they say that Gabbert has the goods to be good in the NFL. To often, fans get caught up in statistics. The guy Gabbert replaced at Missouri was in the top 10 alltime for passing yards in college football and he isn't even in the league. The knock on Gabbert during his time at Mizzou always was that he would be a better fit in an NFL style offense than the spread offense run at Missouri.

Gabbert's not my top choice either, but history has shown that Super Bowls aren't won by teams that have constant turnover at the QB position. Picking up an bandaid like a Bulger or Orton will be just that, a short term bandaid that gets us nowhere. I'd rather roll the dice on a kid like Gabbert than giving up multiple picks for Kevin Kolb. Gabbert may bomb, but it just may be worth the risk.

Pretty much sums up my feelings perfectly. The choices are: Gamble on Gabbert/Newton (if there), overpay for a vet who has already proven he isn't an elite QB (Kolb/Orton), or tank next season and take a defensive player and hope to Luck out.

Option 1 IMO is the one most likely to buy Whiz an extra year as HC. If we go with a rookie QB and struggle but the kid shows lots of promise, there would be logic in giving Whiz another year. But if we go with a vet or Skelton and suck again, the Bidwill's pretty much *have to* fire him if they don't want to alienate the fanbase.

 

[Duckjake]

As things stand right now, the Cardinals in my opinion have the worst quarterback situation in the NFL. Anderson is the worst starting QB in the league, John Skelton is a 5th round pick from Fordham who played decent in meaningless games at the end of the year (and that included getting beat by the Carolina Panthers),and Max Hall who shouldn't ever step foot on an NFL field again.

I think that if the Cards go with Gabbert they'll still have the worst starting QB situation in the NFL. With a sub par defense to go along with a Rookie QB with shorter than normal training time.

The tough question: will Gabbert with 3 years in the NFL be substantially better than Skelator with four? A superior enough talent to warrant spending the #5 pick in the draft?

No Free Agency, a lockout, and a weak group of QB prospects. Just a bad situation all the way around for Arizona.

 

[splitsecond]

settling for a mcdouble because that is all that is on the menu. still do not wan't this overrated desperation pick. stick with defense.

 

[Stout]

I think that if the Cards go with Gabbert they'll still have the worst starting QB situation in the NFL. With a sub par defense to go along with a Rookie QB with shorter than normal training time.

The tough question: will Gabbert with 3 years in the NFL be substantially better than Skelator with four? A superior enough talent to warrant spending the #5 pick in the draft?

No Free Agency, a lockout, and a weak group of QB prospects. Just a bad situation all the way around for Arizona.

Amen, brother.

 

[conraddobler]

Any coaching staff with our QB squad that can turn their nose up at a high QB pick better find a great one somewhere, cause if we end up having a set of QB's this bad or worse after this draft and we didn't take a QB that would just be really bad.

 

[Mulli]

Any coaching staff with our QB squad that can turn their nose up at a high QB pick better find a great one somewhere, cause if we end up having a set of QB's this bad or worse after this draft and we didn't take a QB that would just be really bad.

The "draft defense" guys had me convinced, but I really can't argue with you CD.