The Big Guys Say Gabbert

[Chris_Sanders]

I'd much rather have Mallet than Gabbert. Mallet may have some question marks, but his physical ability and passing ability is perfect. Gabbert may not have character questions, but throwing the ball past 10 yards is a question mark for him.

So would I. It would mean an upgrade on defense in round 1. I actually havent seen Gabbert enough to have an opinion about him. My only point was that this organization does not obfuscate it's high draft picks well. My experience is where there is smoke, there is fire.

 

[Duckjake]

So would I. It would mean an upgrade on defense in round 1. I actually havent seen Gabbert enough to have an opinion about him. My only point was that this organization does not obfuscate it's high draft picks well. My experience is where there is smoke, there is fire.

I'd much rather have Mallet than Gabbert. Mallet may have some question marks, but his physical ability and passing ability is perfect. Gabbert may not have character questions, but throwing the ball past 10 yards is a question mark for him.

Here's a guy, Chris Malumphy, who agrees with you two:

http://www.drafthistory.com/

 

[Cardiac]

Here's a guy, Chris Malumphy, who agrees with you two:

http://www.drafthistory.com/

Thanks for the link. IMWO Chris looks too much at stats and not enough at actuall performance. He doesn't know the reason behind Gabberts drop in stats from the previous year. He doesn't know that Gabby is just about as much of an athletic freak as Newton.

Does he really think Mallet is like Big Ben? Mallet has a better arm but can't walk up a flight of stairs without tripping. NO WAY Mallet will have the escapability that Big Ben does in the pocket. Maybe because they are both knuckleheads and big is the reason for the comparison.

Mallet will not (never say never) be available for us in the 2nd rd. His arm is to good and he is known as a gym rat. So his work ethic and throwing abilities are outstanding. Can he lead grown men and stay out of trouble are the big questions/concerns.

One simply can't ignore the attitude and persona of these soon to be very wealthy young men. How many players have been arrested since the lock out started? Was it 19 or 29 that I heard, either way far too many. How are the Titans liking the Pacman Jones or VY or Kenny brit picks at this point?

 

[Duckjake]

Thanks for the link. IMWO Chris looks too much at stats and not enough at actuall performance. He doesn't know the reason behind Gabberts drop in stats from the previous year. He doesn't know that Gabby is just about as much of an athletic freak as Newton.

Does he really think Mallet is like Big Ben? Mallet has a better arm but can't walk up a flight of stairs without tripping. NO WAY Mallet will have the escapability that Big Ben does in the pocket. Maybe because they are both knuckleheads and big is the reason for the comparison.

Mallet will not (never say never) be available for us in the 2nd rd. His arm is to good and he is known as a gym rat. So his work ethic and throwing abilities are outstanding. Can he lead grown men and stay out of trouble are the big questions/concerns.

One simply can't ignore the attitude and persona of these soon to be very wealthy young men. How many players have been arrested since the lock out started? Was it 19 or 29 that I heard, either way far too many. How are the Titans liking the Pacman Jones or VY or Kenny brit picks at this point?

I'm confused. You spent the entire post bashing Mallet and still say he won't be available in the 2nd round.

 

[Cardiac]

I'm confused. You spent the entire post bashing Mallet and still say he won't be available in the 2nd round.

I'm just going Duckjake on this one. I think we may end of with Mallet so I'm already going reverse the curse.

 

[DoTheDew]

No worry.

We're taking Newton.

We need the PR more than we need the wins.

If that's our draft philosophy we may as well stop rooting for the team. Winning is the best PR out there.

 

[john h]

Of late, I'd been thinking in the same direction. Then I remembered another Cardinal QB -

Kurt Warner.

Ooops! Maybe we don't totally totally stink at evaluating QB's..

The last good QB I recall us drafting was Neil Lomax and I think he was a second pick. However, you just do not give up trying because as the man says you never go big time without a QB. Statistically most of them come out of the first round. I think it may have been the GB GM who once said you never pass on a possible QBOTF no matter how many QBs you have. We lost on Leinart but that sure does no mean you stop trying. No pain no gain or is it no pain no pain.

 

[Garthshort]

Rumor has it that Bill Bidwill was turned off by Gabbert when he, at dinner, ordered the most expensive thing on the menu. Bill's worried that he'll be too expensive to sign.

 

[Duckjake]

If that's our draft philosophy we may as well stop rooting for the team. Winning is the best PR out there.

Emmit Smith

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Not only do I think the Cardinals are starting to lean towards Gabbert, I'm thinking they made trade up to #2 to make it happen. Now THAT will make Stouts head explode

As for the local vs National thing, While I don't think Kiper and McShay know much of anything, I tend to think the beat guys don't alway see the forest through the trees either.

With the uncertainty of FA when the lock out ends, if the coaching staff thinks Gabbert can be the guy, Don't they HAVE to draft him? I mean what if we end up with Bulger or worse... Bulger goes elsewhere and we get K9's boy Alex Smith? Puke.

Can't have another season like last. Gambling on lockout shortened Free Agency period to fill the most important position in sports seems like a bad idea to me.

 

[Bert]

FWIW on KTAR today John Clayton said the Cardinals are "Definitely NOT" picking Gabbert.

Carries just as much weight as any of the other talking heads.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Well now I am even more convinced. Knowing what we know of Wiz and what he values, I defy anyone to read this article and tell me Gabbert isn't the leaving breathing embodiement of Wizs idea of what a Quarterback should be:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...gabbert-has-spent-years-preparing-for-the-nfl

 

[joeshmo]

Can't have another season like last. Gambling on lockout shortened Free Agency period to fill the most important position in sports seems like a bad idea to me.

As opposed to gambling on a rookie?

They both are equal, as gambles go.

 

[conraddobler]

I often wonder what the heck we have to lose?

Why is everyone so afraid, I mean we've drafted a kicker high in the first round before, a kicker.

This franchise makes mistakes when it means well, you might as well roll the dice we're due for some cosmic good fortune.

Getting Blaine Gabbert I'd consider to be this.

JMO, could be wrong, could be a total bust, as could almost anyone.

 

[Cardiac]

Well now I am even more convinced. Knowing what we know of Wiz and what he values, I defy anyone to read this article and tell me Gabbert isn't the leaving breathing embodiement of Wizs idea of what a Quarterback should be:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...gabbert-has-spent-years-preparing-for-the-nfl

Thanks for the link as that was a great article. After reading that I'm good with trading up to get him. This is the year that all of Whiz's "honesty" about the prior drafts pays off. Who was shocked with any of the 1st rd picks since Whiz has been here? I certainly wasn't.

This year the smoke screen is in full force. The guru's on NFLN have stated that the season of lying has started (about a week ago). Several have said that what a team initially does in Feb or earlier is the better indication of who they want to draft. There is a thread about this as well on ASFN where the conclusion that some have come to is that Quinn is the choice. I say it's Gabbert. The FO has been trying to undo the stir the visit and dinner with Gabbert created.

As AZFinest stated, Gabbert appears to be the perfect QB in Whiz's eyes.

 

[Mitch]

Thanks for the link as that was a great article. After reading that I'm good with trading up to get him. This is the year that all of Whiz's "honesty" about the prior drafts pays off. Who was shocked with any of the 1st rd picks since Whiz has been here? I certainly wasn't.

This year the smoke screen is in full force. The guru's on NFLN have stated that the season of lying has started (about a week ago). Several have said that what a team initially does in Feb or earlier is the better indication of who they want to draft. There is a thread about this as well on ASFN where the conclusion that some have come to is that Quinn is the choice. I say it's Gabbert. The FO has been trying to undo the stir the visit and dinner with Gabbert created.

As AZFinest stated, Gabbert appears to be the perfect QB in Whiz's eyes.

I would agree with you, Cardiac, except when Whiz talked candidly about the "expectations" that come with drafting a young QB high in the draft, combined with his statement that there is no clear franchise-type QB in this draft comparable to Ryan or Bradford and Whiz's insistence that the Cardinals will be acquiring or signing a veteran QB this year...that Whiz isn't trying to create a ruse.

Even Fitz has echoed the opinion that the Cardinals need an impact player at #5 who can contribute right away.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I would agree with you, Cardiac, except when Whiz talked candidly about the "expectations" that come with drafting a young QB high in the draft, combined with his statement that there is no clear franchise-type QB in this draft comparable to Ryan or Bradford and Whiz's insistence that the Cardinals will be acquiring or signing a veteran QB this year...that Whiz isn't trying to create a ruse.

Even Fitz has echoed the opinion that the Cardinals need an impact player at #5 who can contribute right away.

I see no "ruse" in what Whiz has said. My interpretation of his message to fans is "don't freak" if we don't select a QB at #5 and temper your expectations in first year, if we do. The NFLN guys (Casserley, Lombardi classify Gabbert as sightly below Ryan, but ahead of Flacco and Freeman coming out of College. Mayoch says that a QBOF for a team in need of such, trumps all other needs.)

 

[kerouac9]

I'd much rather have Mallet than Gabbert. Mallet may have some question marks, but his physical ability and passing ability is perfect. Gabbert may not have character questions, but throwing the ball past 10 yards is a question mark for him.

Perfect for what? An offense that can't protect the passer for more than two seconds, and so you draft a QB--even in the second--who takes 2.5 seconds to release the ball and can't get out of trouble in the pocket?

Mallett will make an interesting prospect for some teams (I think he'd be interesting in Buffalo, Carolina, Miami, Cincy, Oakland, and Minnesota), but based on what the Arizona Cardinals actually do, he'd be an unmitigated disaster. Marc Bulger isn't going to come here to have Ryan Mallett breathing down his neck the moment he throws two INTs. You'd be stuck with Brodie Croyle, Mallett, and Skelton as your QB depth chart.

Also, Mallett has little to no leadership ability and isn't a guy who is willing to push back against his coach (this is something that IMO Whis loved about Warner and didn't see/get from #7). Mallett is a white Byron Leftwich only his teammates hated him.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Perfect for what? An offense that can't protect the passer for more than two seconds, and so you draft a QB--even in the second--who takes 2.5 seconds to release the ball and can't get out of trouble in the pocket?

Mallett will make an interesting prospect for some teams (I think he'd be interesting in Buffalo, Carolina, Miami, Cincy, Oakland, and Minnesota), but based on what the Arizona Cardinals actually do, he'd be an unmitigated disaster. Marc Bulger isn't going to come here to have Ryan Mallett breathing down his neck the moment he throws two INTs. You'd be stuck with Brodie Croyle, Mallett, and Skelton as your QB depth chart.

Also, Mallett has little to no leadership ability and isn't a guy who is willing to push back against his coach (this is something that IMO Whis loved about Warner and didn't see/get from #7). Mallett is a white Byron Leftwich only his teammates hated him.

Exactly. Mallett has been getting alot of love lately what with scouts and Simms starting to prop him up on NFLN and Twitter and the standard ESPN life biopic of Ryan in the NFL page a couple days ago.

I am not in a position to say Mallet is or isn't a good dude, but I do KNOW he is completely immobile and while he may play well for a team with A+ protection, that isn't us.

I can see why some people like Mallett has a similar path to Dan Marino before he got drafed (right down to the bionic arm, the mid level BCS alma mater, and the drug innuendo) but I am not even sure Dan the Man would have been much behind the Cardinals current protection.

 

[kerouac9]

Exactly. Mallett has been getting alot of love lately what with scouts and Simms starting to prop him up on NFLN and Twitter and the standard ESPN life biopic of Ryan in the NFL page a couple days ago.

I am not in a position to say Mallet is or isn't a good dude, but I do KNOW he is completely immobile and while he may play well for a team with A+ protection, that isn't us.

I can see why some people like Mallett has a similar path to Dan Marino before he got drafed (right down to the bionic arm, the mid level BCS alma mater, and the drug innuendo) but I am not even sure Dan the Man would have been much behind the Cardinals current protection.

Marino had great arm strength and accuracy, but it was his quick release that made him great when teams knew that he was passing down after down. Same thing with Warner. Mallett doesn't have that quick release; he has a long windup and a long step when he goes through his throwing motion. The ball comes out like a dart, but defenders know that if you get in at his feet and force him to move up in the pocket where the trash is, he's going to have problems.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Perfect for what? An offense that can't protect the passer for more than two seconds, and so you draft a QB--even in the second--who takes 2.5 seconds to release the ball and can't get out of trouble in the pocket?

Mallett will make an interesting prospect for some teams (I think he'd be interesting in Buffalo, Carolina, Miami, Cincy, Oakland, and Minnesota), but based on what the Arizona Cardinals actually do, he'd be an unmitigated disaster. Marc Bulger isn't going to come here to have Ryan Mallett breathing down his neck the moment he throws two INTs. You'd be stuck with Brodie Croyle, Mallett, and Skelton as your QB depth chart.

Also, Mallett has little to no leadership ability and isn't a guy who is willing to push back against his coach (this is something that IMO Whis loved about Warner and didn't see/get from #7). Mallett is a white Byron Leftwich only his teammates hated him.

No leadership ability? Two time team Captain, hated by teammates?

Ok, fine...

(Anyway, don't fret... it's doubtful he'll be around when we pick in the 2nd.)

 

[Arizona's Finest]

As opposed to gambling on a rookie?

They both are equal, as gambles go.

Gamble was probably the wrong word.

I meant the known of being able to draft the guy you want, rather then being at the mercy of the free agent pool, who is available, and what teams are willing to trade and for what.

I have been studying Gabbert for the past few days. I am going to go ahead and say he is going to be better physically then anyone we can get via FA or trade and from reading about his work ethic and intangibles, he has a chance to be pretty good.

Is he a sure thing? No not at all? Is Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Marc Bulger, or Alex Smith??? No even close.

I guess I am starting to think if your going to swing, swing big.

A Gabbert draft pick, followed by Brooks Reed in the second, a FA OL and TE, and THEN Marc Bulger or Matt Hasselbeck or Mcnabb would be the way to go IMO.

Would those guys come up after drafting Gabbert? Maybe not. But a solid vet and a high draft pick would be the best of both worlds.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Gamble was probably the wrong word.

I meant the known of being able to draft the guy you want, rather then being at the mercy of the free agent pool, who is available, and what teams are willing to trade and for what.

I have been studying Gabbert for the past few days. I am going to go ahead and say he is going to be better physically then anyone we can get via FA or trade and from reading about his work ethic and intangibles, he has a chance to be pretty good.

Is he a sure thing? No not at all? Is Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer, Kyle Orton, Marc Bulger, or Alex Smith??? No even close.

I guess I am starting to think if your going to swing, swing big.

A Gabbert draft pick, followed by Brooks Reed in the second, a FA OL and TE, and THEN Marc Bulger or Matt Hasselbeck or Mcnabb would be the way to go IMO.

Would those guys come up after drafting Gabbert? Maybe not. But a solid vet and a high draft pick would be the best of both worlds.

Interesting. I was also thinking of the Gabbert / Brooks Reed combo.

 

[Mitch]

Interesting. I was also thinking of the Gabbert / Brooks Reed combo.

Great thought, CC...I would be all over that scenario....however...

Neither will be there at #5 nor at #38...

Gabbert to Bengals at #4 (or earlier) and Reed to the Packers at #32 or to the Patriots at #33.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Great thought, CC...I would be all over that scenario....however...

Neither will be there at #5 nor at #38...

Gabbert to Bengals at #4 (or earlier) and Reed to the Packers at #32 or to the Patriots at #33.

Hahaha Mitch I know you do a lot of research and studying on the draft, but the only time to be this definitive is AFTER the picks have actually taken place.

There are a ton of scenarios where one or both players would be available at the corresponding pick, or even that the Cardinals would trade up with Denver to get the #2 pick. Not to mention from everything I have read neither Buffalo or Cinncinati is very interested in Gabbert for whatever reason.

And I have been doing my research as well