The Cardinals' Dream Off-Season, IMO

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Leinart---is very likely one and done---if he plays well, he may stand firm on the $14M for 2011 which would force the team to overpay him or force the team to release him.

The fault in that statement is that if Leinart plays well $14 million is not overpaying. It's in the normal range for a good young QB. Heck the Cards already paid Leinart around 11 million in bonuses combined for 2007 and 2008 just for sitting on the bench.
 
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Quite simply - you don't give up three starters for one in exchange, period.

Regarding Leinart being "one and done" - Why? If he has a successful 2010 season, it becomes very easy to renegotiate that $14mil into a long term contract with an even larger guaranteed amount. For a long term starting QB contract $14mil is not that large of a number, after all they gave Warner more than that for a two year contract. It would be win-win; Leinart gets $14mil + and the Cardinals lock up a QB they are happy with for an extended period.

I agree that if Leinart is not the QB the Cardinals want to go with long term, i.e. - a less than successful 2010 season, he will be cut.

I think the former scenario will prevail.

You make a good, reasonable argument...but, I don't think any of the three will be starters next year: Leinart, Brown or the #26 pick and in return we get an All-Pro edge rusher, who changes the entire complexion of the defense...which could turn this defense into an absolute monster. That's what I'm saying.

But, I do appreciate your confidence in Leinart. I just don't see what everyone is so confident about. Sorry.
 
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The fault in that statement is that if Leinart plays well $14 million is not overpaying. It's in the normal range for a good young QB. Heck the Cards already paid Leinart around 11 million in bonuses combined for 2007 and 2008 just for sitting on the bench.

If the best the Cardinals could offer was $11.5M for Warner...there is NO way the Bidwills will pay Leinart $14M. None.

You have to hope Leinart is willing to deal...if he's not, he's released.
 
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It would be great for the Cardinals to get Dumervil...
but I don't see Denver trading him straight up for Boldin! :wink:

Why wouldn't Leinart be willing to deal?

He would become the all-time highest paid Cardinal, with a fair value contract. An additional plus to Leinart is remaining in close proximity to his son in California. If we take what Leinart himself has said regarding that topic, the value of staying "close to home" can't be overestimated. Only two other teams/cities would even be considerations, San Diego and San Francisco.
 
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You make a good, reasonable argument...but, I don't think any of the three will be starters next year: Leinart, Brown or the #26 pick and in return we get an All-Pro edge rusher, who changes the entire complexion of the defense...which could turn this defense into an absolute monster. That's what I'm saying.

But, I do appreciate your confidence in Leinart. I just don't see what everyone is so confident about. Sorry.



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If the best the Cardinals could offer was $11.5M for Warner...there is NO way the Bidwills will pay Leinart $14M. None.

You have to hope Leinart is willing to deal...if he's not, he's released.

You are thinking about cap hit not actual payment.

The Cardinals paid Warner $19 million for 2009.

Philip Rivers got $25 million in '09. Cutler $22 million. Eli Manning $20 million. Heck the Texans gave Antonio Smith $15 million. Ben R got $27 million in '08.
 
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The Cardinals paid Warner $19 million for one year.

???

4m salary + 7.5m bonus = 11.5m

The second 7.5m bonus was to be paid in weekly installments during the upcoming season.

Thus, he was paid 11.5m and left the same amount on the table.
 

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According to USA today's nfl salaries Warner's salary was $19 million for 2009.

They just added the second tranche of his bonus (7.5m), not knowing that it was to be paid in installments in the second year, and was contingent on him playing.

It's well documented (check - Urban, Sando) that he in fact was paid his salary, plus the first half his bonus for the 2009 season, and that the second year bonus was to be paid in weekly installments.

Total: 4m salary + 7.5 bonus = 11.5m

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Cardinals-protected-on-bonus-if-Warner-retires.html
 
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They just added the second tranche of his bonus (7.5m), not knowing that it was to be paid in installments in the second year, and was contingent on him playing.

It's well documented (check - Urban, Sando) that he in fact was paid his salary, plus the first half his bonus for the 2009 season, and that the second year bonus was to be paid in weekly installments.

Total: 4m salary + 7.5 bonus = 11.5m

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Cardinals-protected-on-bonus-if-Warner-retires.html

So Warner didn't actually get a $15 million signing bonus as was reported. He got a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus and what was essentially a $7.5 million roster bonus.

Of course then there's this from Brandt's article: Clearly, this scenario was discussed and contemplated upon signing and Warner, the ultimate team player, gave the Cardinals some protection. If he does indeed retire tomorrow, he was quite a bargain for the Cardinals.

Which supports my argument that $14 million is not out of line for a quality QB which Leinart would have to prove he is this fall to get that money. Especially since they would most likely roll it into a long term extension.
 

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So Warner didn't actually get a $15 million signing bonus as was reported. He got a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus and what was essentially a $7.5 million roster bonus.

Of course then there's this from Brandt's article: Clearly, this scenario was discussed and contemplated upon signing and Warner, the ultimate team player, gave the Cardinals some protection. If he does indeed retire tomorrow, he was quite a bargain for the Cardinals.

Which supports my argument that $14 million is not out of line for a quality QB which Leinart would have to prove he is this fall to get that money. Especially since they would most likely roll it into a long term extension.

I don't disagree with your argument. Just wanted to correct the actual number paid to Warner.
 

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The Cardinals paid a barely above average LB over 9 mill. Heck they paid a center Al Johnson 8 mill in one season. I see no reason why they would even think twice about giving a young Starting caliber QB 14 Mill if it came to that.
 

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here would be my ideal off season:
as much as i dislike it, Dansby is gone.

Sign Wilfork with Dansby's money
Re-sign Rolle, Lutui, Gandy(to a lesser contract), and the other key RFA's
Trade Boldin to NE for the 44th and 47th picks.
bring in a backup QB. I would prefer a younger one like Charlie Whitehurst if he was let go. Veteran-wise, there's not a whole lot out there. Maybe Derek Anderson is let go.
draft; trade #26 and #58 to Jax for #11 pick and select Rolondo McClain, ILB
round 2:44-Ricky Sapp,OLB 47- Brandon Ghee,CB
round 3-Kyle Calloway,OT
round 4-Chris Cook,DB
round 5-Thaddeus Gibson,OLB
round 6- Colin Peek,TE
round 7-Skelton,QB
sign Whiz to an extension
 

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How anyone's "dream offseason" doesn't begin with -

"Matt Leinart takes the steps necessary to become a star caliber QB in 2010"

......is beyond me.
 

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here would be my ideal off season:
as much as i dislike it, Dansby is gone.

Sign Wilfork with Dansby's money
Re-sign Rolle, Lutui, Gandy(to a lesser contract), and the other key RFA's
Trade Boldin to NE for the 44th and 47th picks.
bring in a backup QB. I would prefer a younger one like Charlie Whitehurst if he was let go. Veteran-wise, there's not a whole lot out there. Maybe Derek Anderson is let go.
draft; trade #26 and #58 to Jax for #11 pick and select Rolondo McClain, ILB
round 2:44-Ricky Sapp,OLB 47- Brandon Ghee,CB
round 3-Kyle Calloway,OT
round 4-Chris Cook,DB
round 5-Thaddeus Gibson,OLB
round 6- Colin Peek,TE
round 7-Skelton,QB
sign Whiz to an extension

I like your FA plan but I would tweek the draft. I like McClain but my draft would go like this:

#1 - Jerry Hughes
#2a - Brandon Spikes
#2b - Brandon Ghee
#2c - Kyle Wilson
#3 - Kyle Calloway
#4 - Brandon Lang
#5 - Cameron Sheffield
#6 - Colin Peek
#7 - James Skelton
 

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here would be my ideal off season:
as much as i dislike it, Dansby is gone.

Sign Wilfork with Dansby's money
Re-sign Rolle, Lutui, Gandy(to a lesser contract), and the other key RFA's
Trade Boldin to NE for the 44th and 47th picks.
bring in a backup QB. I would prefer a younger one like Charlie Whitehurst if he was let go. Veteran-wise, there's not a whole lot out there. Maybe Derek Anderson is let go.
draft; trade #26 and #58 to Jax for #11 pick and select Rolondo McClain, ILB
round 2:44-Ricky Sapp,OLB 47- Brandon Ghee,CB
round 3-Kyle Calloway,OT
round 4-Chris Cook,DB
round 5-Thaddeus Gibson,OLB
round 6- Colin Peek,TE
round 7-Skelton,QB
sign Whiz to an extension

I like your FA plan but I would tweek the draft. I like McClain but my draft would go like this:

#1 - Jerry Hughes
#2a - Brandon Spikes
#2b - Brandon Ghee
#2c - Kyle Wilson
#3 - Kyle Calloway
#4 - Brandon Lang
#5 - Cameron Sheffield
#6 - Colin Peek
#7 - James Skelton

Could you guys tell me what you would like the team to do with these extra O-Linemen and OLBs? Whiz carries 4 OLBs and (typically) 8 linemen. I keep seeing Calloway's name on the board, but why would we really pick him? He is another RT and we already have 3 of them (Brown, Keith, House). The team really likes Brown and Keith, so why spend (what I still consider to be) a first day pick on a backup? At OLB, we already have 5 on the roster. 2 are rookies (Brown and Baggs), 1 other has played in 9 games and another has never played in 1 game. Do you really believe Whiz, who values smarts and experience, is gonna bring in 2 more rookies? No chance IMO.
 

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Could you guys tell me what you would like the team to do with these extra O-Linemen and OLBs? Whiz carries 4 OLBs and (typically) 8 linemen. I keep seeing Calloway's name on the board, but why would we really pick him? He is another RT and we already have 3 of them (Brown, Keith, House). The team really likes Brown and Keith, so why spend (what I still consider to be) a first day pick on a backup? At OLB, we already have 5 on the roster. 2 are rookies (Brown and Baggs), 1 other has played in 9 games and another has never played in 1 game. Do you really believe Whiz, who values smarts and experience, is gonna bring in 2 more rookies? No chance IMO.

I think he'll bring one top round OLB.

Right now its:

Brown (effectively a rookie, still has promise)
W.Davis (solid who I think has potential to be more)
Baggs (CFLer. Could be hit or miss [hopefully like Wakes])
Haggans (Solid veteran)

If Sergio Kindle is there at #26. Do it and don't ask questions.

As for the O-Line. Who will be the new LT? The beauty here is with Leinart as the starter, that is no longer the blind side blocker. Switching Levi over won't be too terrible. I like H. Johnson and Keith equally, so I want to see one of the two come out of the wood work. Gandy won't be back. Bridges is a free agent. Meaning we'll have to get two linemen in the offseason. I would not mind re-signing Bridges because he can play anywhere for you. Then one in one of the middle rounds of the draft.

When I saw the list of free agent o-linemen, I saw a ton of RFAs. Of course, many of the UFAs are dudes in their 30's. The two RFAs I would consider is Jahri Evans of NO and Logan Mankins of NE. Evans will probably get the high tender or be re-signed but who knows what New England is thinking these days.
 

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Could you guys tell me what you would like the team to do with these extra O-Linemen and OLBs? Whiz carries 4 OLBs and (typically) 8 linemen. I keep seeing Calloway's name on the board, but why would we really pick him? He is another RT and we already have 3 of them (Brown, Keith, House). The team really likes Brown and Keith, so why spend (what I still consider to be) a first day pick on a backup? At OLB, we already have 5 on the roster. 2 are rookies (Brown and Baggs), 1 other has played in 9 games and another has never played in 1 game. Do you really believe Whiz, who values smarts and experience, is gonna bring in 2 more rookies? No chance IMO.

I guess I'll respond first. If you notice we only took 1 OT in our mocks. I honestly think Herman Johnson needs to stay at OG. So our OT's are Keith, Gandy (lets see how well he plays after hernia surgery) & Brown. Calloway provides a 4th OT which may come in handy should an injury occur.

As for LB's, Berry, Okeafor & Dansby are gone. Leaves us with Brown, Haggans, Davis & Hayes. I do not count the CFL guy or Beisel or anyone who did not receive regular playing time. So we take Jerry Hughes because it gives us an elite pass rusher, Spikes replaces Dansby, Lang & Sheffield provide depth at OLB, my hope is that Sheffield is versatile enough to play ILB if needed.

You didn't ask but I take 2 CB's because I feel the secondary was our weakest link. McFadden is gone at the end of the year, he would be a nickel back due to either Ghee or Wilson playing opposite DRC and maybe both starting if DRC isn't ready by Week 1. When McFadden leaves either Wilson or Ghee replaces him in the nickel package.
 

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This is my dream offseason, as of now.

I don't think there is any chance that Vince Wilfork is leaving the Patriots. So I'm going with Casey Hampton.

I also have included a trade of Boldin. I have the Ravens give up their second round pick and fourth round pick for him.
I think they could be tempted to doing this, as they could easily, and rightfully so, see themselves being one dominant wide receiver away from winning it all.
However, with Matt Birk, Kelly Gregg, Ray Lewis and, to some extent, Ed Reed all getting up their in years, and all being decisive in the hunt for a ring, the window is closing. I think they would love to add Boldin to their roster right now.

I do believe something has to happen with the defense. Maybe it was his fault, maybe it wasn't, but the fact remains that Coach Davis' defense gave up 99 yards to Vince Young and 90 points in two playoff-games. That's inexcusable. I would like to bring Jim Mora in. I know he would like the Seahawks to switch to a 3-4-defense, he would come with a new approach to everything and besides, I like the guy.

So here it is.

Bring in Jim Mora as defensive coordinator.

Sign Casey Hampton, nose tackle, Pittsburgh Steelers.

Sign Larry Foote, inside linebacker, Detroit Lions.

Sign David Carr, quarterback, New York Giants.

Give Darnell Dockett his extension.

Re-work Antrel Rolle's contract.

Re-sign Anthony Becht.

Re-sign Deuce Lutui.

Re-sign Jeremy Bridges.

Re-sign Ben Patrick.

Re-sign Lyle Sendlein.

Re-sign Ben Claxton.

Re-sign Steve Breaston.

Re-sign Matt Ware.

Re-sign Gabe Watson.

Re-sign Dan Kreider.

Then there is the draft.

1. Sean Weatherspoon, inside linebacker, Missouri.
I love this guy. His intensity are really great, he can cover, he can hit, he can go sideline-to-sideline and then there is his personality which is just fantastic. I think he is a Whis-guy and I would be thrilled to draft him.

2A. Anthony McCoy, tight end, USC.
It has to be time to draft a really good tight end. In way too many years different tight ends has been brought in, but really hasn't been anything but stop gaps. McCoy might be the best blocking tight end in the draft.

2B. Cam Thomas, nose tackle, North Carolina.
The first draft Whis was here, he moved aggressively to get Alan Branch. That may have been a mistake, but at least it showed that he know's the importance of a dominant nose tackle. That's why he would probably love to bring in his old guy, Casey Hampton, that's why he would re-sign Gabe Watson and that's why he might still draft a young guy this early on.
I think Cam Thomas made himself a lot of money in Mobile. He was the best nose tackle there and showed scouts and everyone else that he can hold his own at the point of attack and also, he got some push on the offensive line sometimes.

3. Jared Veldheer, offensive tackle, Hillsdale.
I think Russ Grimm would just love to add the mammoth of a man. I've read somewhere that Veldheer moves very well and is pretty athletic for a guy his size.
An offensive line containing Brandon Keith, Herman Johnson and Veldheer would make Andy Reid go "Hm, that group might be a little too big for me".

4A. Andre Robert, wide receiver, Citadel.
To me, the most surprising player at the Senior Bowl. He ran very crisp routes and had really good hands. Plus he was not afraid to run into traffic though he is not that big.
Drafting him would give the FO leverage in any future discussions with Breaston.

4B. George Selvie, outside linebacker, South Florida.
I'm not saying this would be a good idea. Just that it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Selvie obviously has the talent and Whis has shown before that he believes he can get the best of players who underperforms their last year in college.

5. Crezdon Butler, cornerback, Clemson.
I think he could be a bit of a sleeper. He did play well at Clemson, he does possess great size and speed for a cornerback and he can cover very well. My biggest issue with him is that he seems to shy away from contact. Other than that, I think DRC, Toler, McFadden and Butler would be a very good cornerback-group.

6. O'Brien Schofield, outside linebacker, Wisconsin.
If he slides this far, I think it would be wise to pick him up. Yes, he will have to sit out the first year, but after that he could be a real asset if he could get back to his previous level.

7. Bear Woods, inside linebacker, Troy.
I just want this guy. I don't know is any of you have seen him, but he looks like some mad man. Maybe a kind of tribal warrior. I guarantee you, if you put him on the kick coverage unit no one would dare the run his way.
 

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I guess I'll respond first. If you notice we only took 1 OT in our mocks. I honestly think Herman Johnson needs to stay at OG. So our OT's are Keith, Gandy (lets see how well he plays after hernia surgery) & Brown. Calloway provides a 4th OT which may come in handy should an injury occur.

As for LB's, Berry, Okeafor & Dansby are gone. Leaves us with Brown, Haggans, Davis & Hayes. I do not count the CFL guy or Beisel or anyone who did not receive regular playing time. So we take Jerry Hughes because it gives us an elite pass rusher, Spikes replaces Dansby, Lang & Sheffield provide depth at OLB, my hope is that Sheffield is versatile enough to play ILB if needed.

You didn't ask but I take 2 CB's because I feel the secondary was our weakest link. McFadden is gone at the end of the year, he would be a nickel back due to either Ghee or Wilson playing opposite DRC and maybe both starting if DRC isn't ready by Week 1. When McFadden leaves either Wilson or Ghee replaces him in the nickel package.

1) Gandy is a Free Agent

2) It's not written in stone that both Okeafor and Dansby are gone. (Okeafor, for example, could be offered a B-Train type contract to remain as a veteran backup at both OLB positions)

3) If you don't count player's who didn't have "regular" playing time, then why do you include Brown in your previous sentence?

4) If player's who haven't had "regular" playing time don't enter the equation, then how can a player who has yet to play a professional down (Hughes) be given the title "elite" pass rusher?

5) Re: DB's - What becomes of Toler who, unlike draft picks, has had "regular" playing time?
 
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Gandhi I like everything in yours except for 3 things.

1. Jim Mora hates the Cardinals, always whined when he would play us, I just don't see that working out.

2. I see us getting a better backup Center than Claxton, but who knows

3. I don't see us drafting a TE that high, I really think the team believes in Ben Patrick.
 

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I also have included a trade of Boldin. I have the Ravens give up their second round pick and fourth round pick for him.
I think they could be tempted to doing this, as they could easily, and rightfully so, see themselves being one dominant wide receiver away from winning it all.
However, with Matt Birk, Kelly Gregg, Ray Lewis and, to some extent, Ed Reed all getting up their in years, and all being decisive in the hunt for a ring, the window is closing. I think they would love to add Boldin to their roster right now.

Does anyone here besides Mulli and Shane H really, in their heart of hearts, believe that Anquan Boldin is a "dominant" wide receiver in the NFL right now? Really?

23rd in the NFL in receiving yardage this season. 16th in the NFL in receiving yardage last season (after being 8th in receptions, which means tons of dump-offs). Hasn't played a full season since 2006, and has missed 9 regular season games the past three years and three playoff games.

I think that the Ravens could get a younger, better version of Anquan Boldin in Brandon Marshall for that cost. Derrick Mason had more yardage and a better average with more TDs than Anquan Boldin did last year (and fewer fumbles). If they really think they're that close, they'll talk Mason back onto the field again next year.
 

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Nice work, Gandhi

My reservations:

Too many are pinning and planning based on a Q trade. I’m one who’ll believe it only when it is officially announced, and, as such, I’d like more mocks that are based on the actual number of picks we have at this point.

So, as a second round pick is it McCoy or Thomas, or someone else? Moreover, if we sign a Hampton in FA, and tender Watson… why select a NT… is he likely to be the best player available?

There is nothing that I’ve read - other than blog bitching - that tells me that Davis is not our D-Coordinator next season.

Darnell’s extension can wait until the end of 2010, IMO

I’d re-sign Bridges only if I can’t get a reasonable deal done with Gandy.

My sense is that Whiz believes that Patrick can slip into the more important role at TE in the Leinart offence, but, if TE is the best player available after we address LB, I’d be happy with that selection.

If there is an upgrade backup centre to had as a value pick in the last few rounds of the draft, I’d also be in favour of that choice.
 

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Could you guys tell me what you would like the team to do with these extra O-Linemen and OLBs? Whiz carries 4 OLBs and (typically) 8 linemen. I keep seeing Calloway's name on the board, but why would we really pick him? He is another RT and we already have 3 of them (Brown, Keith, House). The team really likes Brown and Keith, so why spend (what I still consider to be) a first day pick on a backup? At OLB, we already have 5 on the roster. 2 are rookies (Brown and Baggs), 1 other has played in 9 games and another has never played in 1 game. Do you really believe Whiz, who values smarts and experience, is gonna bring in 2 more rookies? No chance IMO.
There's talk the Levi will be moved to the starting LT next year. That basically leaves an unproven Keith for RT. We need another tackle unless you want a guy like Bridges being called upon again, especially if an OT goes down like Gandy this year. Calloway's talented enough that he could eventually become the starting RT with Keith moving to OG in place of Wells.

The same goes for OLB. Just because we have bodies on the roster doesn't mean there isn't a talent void. Sapp would become the most talented OLB the minute he steps on the field. Baggs, Davis and Washington, to me are fighting for 1 roster spot if a talented OLB is picked early. Plus Haggans is another year older. I could see the OLB's on the roster being Brown, Sapp(from my example), Davis, Haggans. Now if Washington and Baggs show that they are really players,i agree with you, that picking an OLB would be overkill. I just have my doubts about them.
 

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One thing about trading Boldin to the Ravens. Troy Smith has asked the Ravens to trade him in hopes of getting more PT. Maybe Boldin to the Raven for their #2 and Smith. I'm not a Smith fan but he's been in the league and could serve as a backup to ML. ML hasn't proven to be all that durable yet so Smith may get a shot.I would rather have a younger QB to back up ML than an older vetreran. If this were to occur , i suggest we get togther and buy an In and Out burger franchise because Troy would be the #1 customer and probably make the business profitable on his own.
 

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