The Cardinals' Dream Off-Season, IMO

[joeshmo]

Sapp would become the most talented OLB the minute he steps on the field.

I cant agree with that. He would become the 4th best the minute he steps onto the field. Behind Haggans, Brown, and Davis. All three have experiance and maybe not better athlete then Sapp but without a doubt better football players. If people are looking for a pass rushing OLB then you you are in for a rough ride with Sapp who is an experiment at best.. He wasn't exactly a pass rush phenom in college, 17 sacks in 50 games. The guy didn't exactly light it up rushing the passer. He isn't talked about because of his production he is only talked about because of him being an athlete. He is a better athlete then he is a football player, horrid against the run, and is a bad tackler who would rather use the drag down method.

 

[TJ]

One thing about trading Boldin to the Ravens. Troy Smith has asked the Ravens to trade him in hopes of getting more PT. Maybe Boldin to the Raven for their #2 and Smith. I'm not a Smith fan but he's been in the league and could serve as a backup to ML. ML hasn't proven to be all that durable yet so Smith may get a shot.I would rather have a younger QB to back up ML than an older vetreran. If this were to occur , i suggest we get togther and buy an In and Out burger franchise because Troy would be the #1 customer and probably make the business profitable on his own.

I know part of your comment comes out of OSU bias; however, I see the logic and I think that would be a good trade. Even if Leinart succeeds, we need a veteran #2 and T. Smith is someone who fills in quite well. I liked him coming out of college and thought the team who picked him up in the later rounds would get a steal.

Kill two birds with one stone. Get decent value for Q and get our back up.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I cant agree with that. He would become the 4th best the minute he steps onto the field. Behind Haggans, Brown, and Davis. All three have experiance and maybe not better athlete then Sapp but without a doubt better football players. If people are looking for a pass rushing OLB then you you are in for a rough ride with Sapp who is an experiment at best.. He wasn't exactly a pass rush phenom in college, 17 sacks in 50 games. The guy didn't exactly light it up rushing the passer. He isn't talked about because of his production he is only talked about because of him being an athlete. He is a better athlete then he is a football player, horrid against the run, and is a bad tackler who would rather use the drag down method.

i think we agree. I didn't mean he'd step right in and start but he does have more talent than the rest. If he plays to his talent level he'll be great.He also a knee issue but size/speed and athletic ability, it would be hard to find a better combo than what he offers. Myself, i'm more of a production guy,and like Weatherspoon/Graham/Hughes, but the NFL likes to draft on pure talent alot of times.

 

[WildBB]

There should be an ASFN beer night. that would be interesting haha

Yeah, it's called THE DRAFT!

 

[WildBB]

I cant agree with that. He would become the 4th best the minute he steps onto the field. Behind Haggans, Brown, and Davis. All three have experiance and maybe not better athlete then Sapp but without a doubt better football players. If people are looking for a pass rushing OLB then you you are in for a rough ride with Sapp who is an experiment at best.. He wasn't exactly a pass rush phenom in college, 17 sacks in 50 games. The guy didn't exactly light it up rushing the passer. He isn't talked about because of his production he is only talked about because of him being an athlete. He is a better athlete then he is a football player, horrid against the run, and is a bad tackler who would rather use the drag down method.

Pass!

What's your view on Sean Lee out of Penn St. as a late 2nd rounder in contrast to Sapp's athletism, being a true football talent.

 

[Gandhi]

Nice work, Gandhi

My reservations:

Too many are pinning and planning based on a Q trade. I’m one who’ll believe it only when it is officially announced, and, as such, I’d like more mocks that are based on the actual number of picks we have at this point.

So, as a second round pick is it McCoy or Thomas, or someone else? Moreover, if we sign a Hampton in FA, and tender Watson… why select a NT… is he likely to be the best player available?

That's fair. I just think Boldin will be moved and I won't rule out that something will overpay a bit, thus I put in the trade.

But if I should do it over, using only the picks we know are there, I would take Cam Thomas. I think that would be a little reach, but the position is so vital to a 3-4-defense and Bryan Robinson is getting up their in age. I don't believe Gabe Watson is the solution, but I would re-sign him because of the importance of the position. Cam Thomas would obviously be a rookie and Casey Hampton probably won't play every snap.
However, if I should draft only based on value, I would take either McCoy or some other player.
With the fourth round pick I've added, I would take Selvie over Roberts. I think Selvie's value is slightly better and he plays a position of need.

There is nothing that I’ve read - other than blog bitching - that tells me that Davis is not our D-Coordinator next season.

Yeah, I don't think Davis is out either. That would be my dream-part.

Darnell’s extension can wait until the end of 2010, IMO

I think it's important to make him happy. He was the best defensive player last season and, along with Wilson, he is probably the most important player on that side of the ball.
But if Hampton is brought in I highly doubt Dockett gets an extension this year. That would be two major defensive contracts in one offseason and that doesn't sound likely to me.

I’d re-sign Bridges only if I can’t get a reasonable deal done with Gandy.

I agree with that. As long as one of them is brought back.

My sense is that Whiz believes that Patrick can slip into the more important role at TE in the Leinart offence, but, if TE is the best player available after we address LB, I’d be happy with that selection.

That could very well be true. But I also think it's true that Whis would like to use more two-tight end-sets which would probably require one more tight end as neither of the other seems to be good enough.

If there is an upgrade backup centre to had as a value pick in the last few rounds of the draft, I’d also be in favour of that choice.

I agree with that too.

 

[Gandhi]

If he plays to his talent level he'll be great.

I think that goes for relatively many in this draft. If Cody plays to his talent, he will be a force for some defense. If Mays plays to his talent, he will define a whole new kind of safety. If Gresham plays to his talent, he will be one of the best tight ends in the league. If Anthony Davis plays to his talent, some team will be set for ages at that position.
I believe this is a rather deep boom-or-bust type of draft.

He also a knee issue but size/speed and athletic ability, it would be hard to find a better combo than what he offers.

I'm not so sure. I think Sergio Kindle is just as intriguing from a measurement standpoint. Besides, Kindle has experience playing linebacker, so I would personally take him before Sapp.

 

[joeshmo]

I'm not so sure. I think Sergio Kindle is just as intriguing from a measurement standpoint. Besides, Kindle has experience playing linebacker, so I would personally take him before Sapp.

Note that Sapp probably played 80% of is snaps while at Clemson his senior year as a LB.

 

[joeshmo]

Pass!

What's your view on Sean Lee out of Penn St. as a late 2nd rounder in contrast to Sapp's athletism, being a true football talent.

Lee has 5 things going for him. He can play all three 4-3 LB positions and WILB in the 3-4. He is super tough. He is super smart. Great tackling technique. Mostly he is a leader, actually traveled with the team in 2008 as sort of a player coach, I know what some are asking, "so whats the big deal with that", he was a medical redshirt that year with a torn ACL and medical redshirt players just don't travel with the team.

But here is one case where a guy who is a FOOTBALL player in college may not have enough athletic ability(speed, agility, strength) to translate that FOOTBALL skills into the NFL.

I would take a shot on him late in the 3rd if other midteir guys such as AJ Edds are off the board already.

 

[kerouac9]

My sense is that Whiz believes that Patrick can slip into the more important role at TE in the Leinart offence, but, if TE is the best player available after we address LB, I’d be happy with that selection.

I think that Whis believes that Patrick has the ability to play that position and do well. But I don't think (and I bet Whis is sure) that Patrick hasn't shown himself to be dependable in that role. He doesn't have the starts, and he was suspended for a stupid decision to begin the season.

Whis knows that hope is not a plan, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cards sign another FA TE and a mid-round draft pick to increase depth and competition.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think that Whis believes that Patrick has the ability to play that position and do well. But I don't think (and I bet Whis is sure) that Patrick hasn't shown himself to be dependable in that role. He doesn't have the starts, and he was suspended for a stupid decision to begin the season.

Whis knows that hope is not a plan, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cards sign another FA TE and a mid-round draft pick to increase depth and competition.

Can't disagree.

Right now, I'd like them to re-sign Becht. Not much of a receiver, but a solid blocker.

 

[CardLogic]

Lee has 5 things going for him. He can play all three 4-3 LB positions and WILB in the 3-4. He is super tough. He is super smart. Great tackling technique. Mostly he is a leader, actually traveled with the team in 2008 as sort of a player coach, I know what some are asking, "so whats the big deal with that", he was a medical redshirt that year with a torn ACL and medical redshirt players just don't travel with the team.

But here is one case where a guy who is a FOOTBALL player in college may not have enough athletic ability(speed, agility, strength) to translate that FOOTBALL skills into the NFL.

I would take a shot on him late in the 3rd if other midteir guys such as AJ Edds are off the board already.

Good evaluation. Lee is extremely solid on technique and positioning. But he doesn't have that WOW factor in terms of athleticism.