The Cardinals' QBOF Conundrum

[WildBB]

What do you guys think of the Pitt QB Nathan Peterman? Seems to make the throws that BA likes in his offense. Seems to be a popular riser at the senior bowl.

He was unimpressive.

 

[cardncubfan]

He was unimpressive.

Not only that he is terrible. Pass.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

BA is quoted in the NFL.com article about Romo and Jimmy G. He said Jimmy is an excellent athlete with outstanding accuracy and compares his game to a young Romo.

 

[NJCardFan]

Cousins has two full years of better than average play. I'll believe the Garrapolo hype when he starts for more than a quarter season.

And yet you're willing to throw in with a guy who's unproven and who you admit has serious mechanics problems and are only basing your opinion on "making sick throws" from time to time. No disrespect intended but your logic doesn't make sense. Personally, I don't want a freaking project. Logan Thomas was a project and he was so bad that the team threw all in with Ryan Stinking Lindley for a playoff run.

 

[Krangodnzr]

And yet you're willing to throw in with a guy who's unproven and who you admit has serious mechanics problems and are only basing your opinion on "making sick throws" from time to time. No disrespect intended but your logic doesn't make sense. Personally, I don't want a freaking project. Logan Thomas was a project and he was so bad that the team threw all in with Ryan Stinking Lindley for a playoff run.

Mahomes has more upside than Jimmy G and wont cost as much to get.

And comparing Mahomes to Thomas is laughable if you ever watched the two.

 

[Buckybird]

Mahomes has more upside than Jimmy G and wont cost as much to get.

Quick name 1 QB to ever make it in the NFL from the Tech/Cal air raid offense? I would take my chances 10 times on Jimmy over 1 in Mahomes.

 

[Buckybird]

I would be all over that. Get the QBOF in place now, but a 3 year veteran who is already NFL savvy is far better than rolling the dice on any of the QBs in this draft. Plus, if it were me, in order to save Carson Palmer, I would play Jimmy Garoppolo some this season. I think deflate gate was a blessing in disguise for the Patriots. Tom Brady looked the freshest down the stretch as he has in years. With Garoppolo you have to love the quick reads, the footwork and the accuracy.

Dead on Mitch!!!

I think we should do it, but does Keim feel comfortable pulling the trigger. Most here don't like Jimmy G, but I just don't see BA having the patience for training a rook going forward. I just hope like hell Shanahan don't get smart enough to sign him & we have to face him for 10+ years.

 

[DVontel]

Would rather not sign QBs that come from the Pats. I don't care how "different" Jimmy G looked compared to other backup Patriot QBs.

I know Keim is smart enough to not waste a first round pick on him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Quick name 1 QB to ever make it in the NFL from the Tech/Cal air raid offense? I would take my chances 10 times on Jimmy over 1 in Mahomes.

Outside of Goff, none of the Air Raid QBs had legitimate NFL tools. Mahomes does. He has the tools of a top ten NFL QB. His technique is poor, but that can be mostly fixed.

 

[AZCB34]

And yet you're willing to throw in with a guy who's unproven and who you admit has serious mechanics problems and are only basing your opinion on "making sick throws" from time to time. No disrespect intended but your logic doesn't make sense. Personally, I don't want a freaking project. Logan Thomas was a project and he was so bad that the team threw all in with Ryan Stinking Lindley for a playoff run.

Pretty much every QB coming out of college is now a huge project as they are forced to transition from the crazy spread/air raid stuff into more conventional NFL offenses. The idea of the plug in QB has basically vanished so this line of thinking must change.

 

[Buckybird]

Outside of Goff, none of the Air Raid QBs had legitimate NFL tools. Mahomes does. He has the tools of a top ten NFL QB. His technique is poor, but that can be mostly fixed.

Goff looked fantastic

Like I said, until at least 1 proves the theory wrong, if I'm a GM I'm staying away.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Goff looked fantastic

Like I said, until at least 1 proves the theory wrong, if I'm a GM I'm staying away.

Same process some had with Brees, Wilson, and Newton. Obviously none of us have firsthand access, but teams can't fully overlook prospects because of the system they play in.

The smart approach is to evaluate QBs based on the throw they make or can't make. Mahomes can make elite throws.

 

[Cardiac]

BA has coached at least two rookie QB's and had great success with 2 of them, Luck and Rothlesburger. I don't buy the theory that he only wants a vet QB. Trading for Gorapolo now ensures that this is Palmers last year and I'm not sure that is the message we want to send to him.

Truly is a conundrum and hopefully Keim can pull another rabbit (Palmer) out of his hat.

Cowherd said the other day that the Cards fans would be far more excited if we get Romo then Palmer coming back. I fully disagree and wonder if anyone besides Sissy would rather have Romo?

 

[juza76]

Palmer can play 2 more seasons
Mahomes can learn behind him
We are best fit for him and viceversa cause we are not in hurry to play him
Is like favre/rodgers

 

[Buckybird]

Same process some had with Brees, Wilson, and Newton. Obviously none of us have firsthand access, but teams can't fully overlook prospects because of the system they play in.

The smart approach is to evaluate QBs based on the throw they make or can't make. Mahomes can make elite throws.

IMO you're comparing apples to oranges in the air raid attacks vs. the systems the guys played in you stated. Hardly anyone stops that passing attack in college football today just like nobody can stop the spread in HS & the NCAA when you have a semi functional QB. There's a reason nobody runs the air raid passing game in today's NFL.

IMO it's more about the system in college & more about the QBs talent in the NFL

 

[Krangodnzr]

IMO you're comparing apples to oranges in the air raid attacks vs. the systems the guys played in you stated. Hardly anyone stops that passing attack in college football today just like nobody can stop the spread in HS & the NCAA when you have a semi functional QB. There's a reason nobody runs the air raid passing game in today's NFL.

IMO it's more about the system in college & more about the QBs talent in the NFL

Did you ever watch Cam Newton in college? His system was LESS similar to NFL offenses than the air raid.

Like I said earlier, none of the other air raid QBs before even remotely had NFL skills. You can keep mentioning that none of the other air raid QBs were successful before, but you can't ignore the other QBs lack of NFL traits. Mahomes has NFL traits.

 

[Stout]

Palmer can play 2 more seasons
Mahomes can learn behind him
We are best fit for him and viceversa cause we are not in hurry to play him
Is like favre/rodgers

Palmer's not playing 2 more seasons; this one's his last. Bank on it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Palmer's not playing 2 more seasons; this one's his last. Bank on it.

I agree. That's why I think the Cardinals need a QB this year.

 

[cardpa]

Palmer's not playing 2 more seasons; this one's his last. Bank on it.

I have no doubt you are correct Stout. This is Palmer's swan song and Fitz's too.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I would be all over that. Get the QBOF in place now, but a 3 year veteran who is already NFL savvy is far better than rolling the dice on any of the QBs in this draft. Plus, if it were me, in order to save Carson Palmer, I would play Jimmy Garoppolo some this season. I think deflate gate was a blessing in disguise for the Patriots. Tom Brady looked the freshest down the stretch as he has in years. With Garoppolo you have to love the quick reads, the footwork and the accuracy.

you would play JG THIS season with Palmer healthy... to "save" Palmer.

Man, Mitch, you advocate for a lot of things that literally would never happen in any NFL franchise. This isn't the NBA where there's 82 games and players can take a day off. Or are you advocating that you somehow rotate JG into games Palmer's already PLAYING IN, to save him, while completely screwing up whatever flow is going on in the game?

Either way... there's outside the box thinking and then... well... this. And this makes zero sense to me.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Outside of Goff, none of the Air Raid QBs had legitimate NFL tools. Mahomes does. He has the tools of a top ten NFL QB. His technique is poor, but that can be mostly fixed.

Completely disagree. You can try and modify technique but you aren't going to change a way a QB throws the ball. Phillip Rivers, Kerry Collins, and Vince Young are all guys that had unorthodox technique and none of them changed.

 

[football karma]

Completely disagree. You can try and modify technique but you aren't going to change a way a QB throws the ball. Phillip Rivers, Kerry Collins, and Vince Young are all guys that had unorthodox technique and none of them changed.

Mahomes throwing motion is fine

its his fundamentals that can improve -- footwork, etc. I know that its hard to completely seperate the two -- but Mahomes has shown that even with poor fundamentals he can deliver the ball to the right place.

Of course, if Mahomes fundamentals were good / consistent -- he likely goes well before 13

so --- you have a guy who has all the physical attributes you want but has sketchy fundamentals. Upside is Matt Stafford like player. Downside is Josh McCown. Is he worth a 1st round pick in the 20s? Especially when you know that he is a year of sitting + a year of playing and making mistakes before he would be ready (at the earliest).

 

[Camshaft]

Mahomes isn't like those three QBs (Phillips, Collins, Young) in that he is a pure wrist thrower that can throw the ball over 60 yds accurately. Only one other qb that I know could do that, Jake Plummer. Mahomes is a Jake the Snake without the coloring book.

 

[Mitch]

you would play JG THIS season with Palmer healthy... to "save" Palmer.

Man, Mitch, you advocate for a lot of things that literally would never happen in any NFL franchise. This isn't the NBA where there's 82 games and players can take a day off. Or are you advocating that you somehow rotate JG into games Palmer's already PLAYING IN, to save him, while completely screwing up whatever flow is going on in the game?

Either way... there's outside the box thinking and then... well... this. And this makes zero sense to me.

What I don't get, cheese, and maybe I am mistaken, is why some teams don't create more competition at the most important position on a football: at QB.

To me, Drew Stanton does not create even an ounce of competition for Palmer, nor is Stanton a QB I have any real sense of confidence in when Palmer is out. I give him credit for winning games anyway, but his play has been awful for 2 years now and I could not envision him taking the Cardinals to the playoffs if Palmer is out for a number of games.

What I would love about having Jimmy Garoppolo is, if Palmer keeps struggling, Garoppolo could take over and lead the team the way Dak Prescott did for the Cowboys.

I'm also not a big fan of players getting days off. The Pats' mantra this year was "no days off." Brady never takes a day off. I understand why BA does this with Palmer, but it's pretty hard to accept an out of sync offense in some games and still have the QB take days of

Is it so crazy to want the QBOF already in place, and in direct competition with Palmer?

I think having competition might bring out the best in Palmer---and if not, it could give the Cardinals a good chance to win without him.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

All I have to contribute is that I would rather we look closely at QBs on other teams that still have an upside if they got on the right team and with the right coaches. I truly believe there are several out there who would be much better than the choices teams have in this draft at QB. I just have a suspicion that there must be someone out their another team has given up on and who they didn't give a decent shot at becoming a starter for whatever reason, whether it be they feel they have someone better or they just didn't feel he had what they particularly wanted in a QB.

I don't like the idea of grooming one of these rookies for a couple years to find out he doesn't have it. Taking one of the young guys from another team wouldn't take that long to decide if he is what you want or not. Some guys just need the right place and/or a different chance to succeed, ie. Kurt Warner. If not for the situation with the Rams, he might have been a guy no one ever heard of, the assistant manager of Piggley Wiggley Supermarket.