The Cardinals' QBOF Conundrum

[Buckybird]

Apologies if this has been posted before, but Peter King says he wouldn't be surprised if Jay Cutler ends up a Cardinal.

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2017/2/20/14671250/jay-cutler-to-the-arizona-cardinals

PK needs to lay down the crack pipe because that won't ever happen!

Unless BASK like mediocre QB & losing football, which if is the case they might as well resign before getting fired. Cutler isn't going to magically become great IMO.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

PK needs to lay down the crack pipe because that won't ever happen!

Unless BASK like mediocre QB & losing football, which if is the case they might as well resign before getting fired. Cutler is going to magically become great IMO.

I agree, I don't think Cutler is the answer. I guess this time of year, every team that needs a quarterback will get tied somehow to every quarterback who will hit the market.

 

[juza76]

''It wouldn't be shocking to see Jay Cutler sign with the Cardinals''. - Peter King

Cutler would back up Carson Palmer for a year, though he'd probably see time in 2017 because of how injury-prone Palmer is. Cutler would then start in 2018 and beyond. This would be a nice move for Arizona, as Cutler seems like a great fit in Bruce Arians' offense.

 

[juza76]

''It wouldn't be shocking to see Jay Cutler sign with the Cardinals''. - Peter King

Cutler would back up Carson Palmer for a year, though he'd probably see time in 2017 because of how injury-prone Palmer is. Cutler would then start in 2018 and beyond. This would be a nice move for Arizona, as Cutler seems like a great fit in Bruce Arians' offense.

 

[Buckybird]

 

[THESMEL]

I like Chad Kelly in the 3rd round

Link
http://www.scout.com/player/151694-chad-kelly?s=126

 

[Jetstream Green]

Plumm'er', Warn'er', Palm'er'

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[JeffGollin]

Two QB considerations: (1) Someone better than Drew Stanton. (2) A can't miss long range QBOF.

We can't afford to add a lights-out starter (We already have Carson P). Cutler would fit that profile as would Romo and a couple of others.

We could conceivably check out guys like Glennon, T Taylor, etc. to compete with Stanton for #2, but that's a long shot (I think BA likes what he has at #2 and #3).

Injuries, of course, could change the ground rules.

That's how I see it.

 

[Chopper0080]

I have zero issues with the Cardinals taking a QB if one is available that they really like, but I don't see it in round 1, and I wouldn't just take one to take one.

 

[Stout]

I have zero issues with the Cardinals taking a QB if one is available that they really like, but I don't see it in round 1, and I wouldn't just take one to take one.

This is fair.

 

[juza76]

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/20...rdinals-linked-to-quarterback-patrick-mahomes

 

[juza76]

After trubisky and watson, mahomes is the qb I like more
Kizer is not even in the top 5, he doesnt play a lot better compare to logan Thomas, he is not accurated, dont like how he throw the football
Percentage dropped from 60 to 58, thats gargabe for college football
I remember logan Thomas get worse after his sophomore year

 

[cardncubfan]

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/15/14532686/nfl-draft-2017-mock-database-charts

 

[Jetstream Green]

After trubisky and watson, mahomes is the qb I like more
Kizer is not even in the top 5, he doesnt play a lot better compare to logan Thomas, he is not accurated, dont like how he throw the football
Percentage dropped from 60 to 58, thats gargabe for college football
I remember logan Thomas get worse after his sophomore year

Kizer is far better than Thomas. That is not to say Kizer is a sure bet like any QB in the draft now, but Logan he is not

 

[Mitch]

Kizer is far better than Thomas. That is not to say Kizer is a sure bet like any QB in the draft now, but Logan he is not

Kizer has the whole package. With the right tutelage and patience, he could be a very good starting QB. I just don't see BA as wanting to roll the dice with a young QB in 2018, and you don't draft a QB in round one only to sit him for 2-3 years.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Kizer has the whole package. With the right tutelage and patience, he could be a very good starting QB. I just don't see BA as wanting to roll the dice with a young QB in 2018, and you don't draft a QB in round one only to sit him for 2-3 years.

I have seen games where in series Kizer looked like a NFL QB. He was not being effective simply as I seen Watson often be, and that is just a collection of big plays where the play breaks down and it's schoolyard football. I saw Kizer methodically run an offense, make reads and have smooth throwing motions. Granted he has not been consistent, and his season nose dived with his team around him but I never saw Thomas exhibit this control. If Arians does not have the patience, you are right but I do see much more to work with than a much more raw prospect like Logan Thomas. What I would be banking on would not be Arians, as much as guys like Palmer and the rest of the coaching staff making Kizer have the ability through their tutelage which I think having Palmer for at least one more season affords a guy like Kizer

 

[football karma]

Kizer has the whole package. With the right tutelage and patience, he could be a very good starting QB. I just don't see BA as wanting to roll the dice with a young QB in 2018, and you don't draft a QB in round one only to sit him for 2-3 years.

I don't know

Keim has been emphatic about, and Arians has recognized the need for a young QB.

Arians hasn't been shy about not playing the last two 1st round picks --

I don't knew about Mahomes, but if Desaun Watson is there at 13--- that is a decision.

You have this offseason, 5 preseason games, 2017 and the next offseason to have him learn. Will it be ugly for a while? Yes- but it's about as ideal a situation as you could pick to groom a young QB

 

[juza76]

kizer is horrible, dont watch the higlights but watch full video of his plays

 

[Jetstream Green]

kizer is horrible, dont watch the higlights but watch full video of his plays

I have watched whole games

 

[WildBB]

After trubisky and watson, mahomes is the qb I like more
Kizer is not even in the top 5, he doesnt play a lot better compare to logan Thomas, he is not accurated, dont like how he throw the football
Percentage dropped from 60 to 58, thats gargabe for college football
I remember logan Thomas get worse after his sophomore year

You throw out the game they played during hurricane conditions it's not the case. But he will have to be coached up the right way, not like in college. His ceiling is fairly high.

 

[Finito]

It's pretty much Trubisky and Watson in play at 13 and no one else really.

Kizer is compared to Akili Smith they say he has million dollar talent and a ten cent head. He's inconsistent as all heck.

Mahomes is just bad. Listening to the draft podcast Kiper and McShay both said he has flat out the worst mechanics they have ever seen. Not one QB from that air raid system has every had any kind of sustained success in the NFL not one.

Chad Kelly? If you think Kelly is an NFL starting QB and that's a guy you want to hand your franchise over to you must of thought Manziel was the second coming

 

[juza76]

Mahomes has horrible mechanics but he is pretty accurate , he can throw in tied windows
He remind me rivers in some way

Other comparisons

Trubisky - david Carr
Watson- Mariota
Kizer- a mix between Culpepper and logan Thomas
Webb- nick Foles

 

[football karma]

. Not one QB from that air raid system has every had any kind of sustained success in the NFL not one.

in fairness -- not many have been taken all that high --

Goff at #1 overall,
Manziel to the Browns -- where we will never know if the failure was due to Manziels head or his talent
Blaine Gabbert (?)
Branden Weeden (?).. but the latter two are RPO/Spread qbs rather than "air raid"

its a tiny sample size. Im not going to count all the guys drafted second day and later because the washout rate there for everyone is so high its hard to seperate signal from noise.

The biggest issue i have is that if you define anybody using the RPO - spread concepts, you eliminate 95% of the QBs coming out of college.

 

[GatorAZ]

Look like Cousins will be available next summer (2018).

 

[football karma]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/01/...i-texas-tech-quarterback-first-round-prospect

MMQB on Mahomes