The DaVinci Code

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Chandler Mike said:
Is it really getting bad reviews? That's too bad, was hoping it would be good.

Yeah, mostly saying that Tom Hanks pretty much sleepwalks through the whole movie and he has no chemistry at all with Audrey Tatou.
 

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Chaplin said:
Yeah, it sucks that it isn't a fictional movie...

Oh, wait...

I think it's hilarious that hardcore religious people are already condemning the movie when the book has been out for a while now.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/17/da.vinci/index.html

Also, while not planning a protest or boycott, members of the National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation expressed unhappiness with the film's heavy, a monk-assassin, being an albino, as described in the book.

Michael McGowan, an albino who heads the organization, said "The Da Vinci Code" will be the 68th movie since 1960 to feature an evil albino. He said the group aims to use the movie's popularity to raise awareness about the realities of albinism. People with albinism have little or no pigmentation in their skin, eyes and hair.
 

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Chaplin said:
It might not be a very good movie, but I love how the only critics they quote in the article are ones that thought the book was bad too.

Doesn't the folks (Cannes) have a reputation of being the toughest critics in the world?
 

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Djaughe said:
Doesn't the folks (Cannes) have a reputation of being the toughest critics in the world?

Yeah, and they are typically the ones most people love to hate too. All the little papers obviously won't have reviews until this weekend.
 

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Djaughe said:
Doesn't the folks (Cannes) have a reputation of being the toughest critics in the world?


I would guess that almost 60% of mainstream american audience would dislike movies that have good reviews at cannes.
 

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Wow, was I underwhelmed by this movie! Very disappointing. I know the book was full of crap (as pretty successfully debunked by the history channel) but it sounded like entertaining historical fiction. I may read the book, because I suspect it is entertaining historical fiction. The movie, alas, was not. Hanks sucked. Maybe not a lot was asked of him, but he was barely alive. Tatou sucked, which is a shocker to me...I KNOW how good she is. Reno was good, but his character was simply left to float around out there without much explanation or perspective. Many of the key moments were so cheesy as to be painful. McKellan was the only part that really made the movie even watchable.

My biggest beef, though, was that the entire film tried to make you feel as if it was some epic. From the music to the way it was shot, I got the feeling that the filmmaker was telling me 'this is a great, epic film...you MUST love it', and I found myself feeling like telling him, 'um, how about NO!'
 

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Chandler Mike said:
Cheese...

The problem is, most people were believing the stuff written in a fictional book...and now they'll see the movie. Although I doubt Ron Howard will make any claims as to it being "fact" like Brown did.

I am sure about my faith, and that has nothing to do with it. Can I not worry about someone else who may read the book, read the intro where things are stated as "fact" and then start beliving it?

I think I'm allowed that...

I find it entertaining that people of faith are so quick to point out the book as being false and afraid some might actually beliieve it. It is exactly how us without faith feel about the bible.

Not trying to start anything, I just find it ironic.
 

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KloD said:
I find it entertaining that people of faith are so quick to point out the book as being false and afraid some might actually beliieve it. It is exactly how us without faith feel about the bible.

Not trying to start anything, I just find it ironic.


Okay...well, that is fine, I respect your opinion..but you are talking about a book written by Dan BROWN, a few years ago that has been proven to be false, while the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and has 1000+ manuscripts to back it up, and almost every fact in there, historically at least, has been an accurate portrayal proven by historians...

Anyways...comparing the two...makes me laugh :) sorry...

Mike
 

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Chandler Mike said:
Okay...well, that is fine, I respect your opinion..but you are talking about a book written by Dan BROWN, a few years ago that has been proven to be false, while the Bible was written thousands of years ago, and has 1000+ manuscripts to back it up, and almost every fact in there, historically at least, has been an accurate portrayal proven by historians...

Anyways...comparing the two...makes me laugh :) sorry...

Mike

Come on, Mike. It's easy to believe the New Testament, which is basically all philosophizing, but the Old Testament... Where is the proof that Noah built an Ark, and there once was a burning bush... :D
 

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Come on, Mike. It's easy to believe the New Testament, which is basically all philosophizing, but the Old Testament... Where is the proof that Noah built an Ark, and there once was a burning bush... :D


I didn't say there were specific facts, like miracles, etc...

But there was some cataclysmic event that moved the continents around, and a massive flood with water coming up from the deeps could have done it...

I'm talking about the customs, history of the Old Testament...much of which can be proven as an accurate view of times back then.

Plus there are scriptures in Ecclesiastes that state how the weather works...how water from the ocean fell on the lands, was taken by the rivers back to the oceans and began the cycle all over again.

Now, that is more spiritual than fact...but how some guy 5000 years ago knew how the weather worked without any idea of what evaporation was, is beyond me.
 

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Stout said:
My biggest beef, though, was that the entire film tried to make you feel as if it was some epic. From the music to the way it was shot, I got the feeling that the filmmaker was telling me 'this is a great, epic film...you MUST love it', and I found myself feeling like telling him, 'um, how about NO!'

LOL

Talk about taking it to the extreme.

Being a history minor, I thought the movie was very entertaining. Funny how if someone shoots an old building and historical sites, they are "trying" to make an epic film. It's a mystery--nothing more. The music is very understated, and very good, by the way. You're reading much more into it than it is.

It's not Ron Howard and Tom Hanks (who I agree was pretty wooden)--it's the way the film is marketed--which is the problem with most films.

But it did make a ton of money and from what I understand is the 2nd highest EVER grossing movie internationally--just behind Star Wars (either ep. 1 or 4, not sure which).
 

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Chaplin said:
It's not Ron Howard and Tom Hanks (who I agree was pretty wooden)--it's the way the film is marketed--which is the problem with most films.

But it did make a ton of money and from what I understand is the 2nd highest EVER grossing movie internationally--just behind Star Wars (either ep. 1 or 4, not sure which).


Only because of the book...the reviews are horrible. 22% on Rotten Tomatoes is...badddddd...
 

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Chandler Mike said:
I didn't say there were specific facts, like miracles, etc...

But there was some cataclysmic event that moved the continents around, and a massive flood with water coming up from the deeps could have done it...

I'm talking about the customs, history of the Old Testament...much of which can be proven as an accurate view of times back then.

Plus there are scriptures in Ecclesiastes that state how the weather works...how water from the ocean fell on the lands, was taken by the rivers back to the oceans and began the cycle all over again.

Now, that is more spiritual than fact...but how some guy 5000 years ago knew how the weather worked without any idea of what evaporation was, is beyond me.

I was joking...

Anyway, I know you take as gospel (no pun intended) that Brown said it was true. My take is I think he said that for marketing reasons, and that he really doesn't believe that himself.

And if he did, does it matter? Does that one book threaten you and your way of life? Of course it doesn't--there isn't enough overwhelming positive response to it to affect anyone's beliefs. And if it does, who cares? The beauty of our society is that we can believe what we want and that we can make any kind of movie we want. What's wrong with combining to two?

Comparing the DaVinci Code to the Bible is a stretch, not because of the validity of it, but of the fact that the DaVinci Code is a potboiler, a murder mystery, that, while very interesting and entertaining, really is still a fictional novel. There are a TON of stuff in the Bible that can be construed as fictional, of course, but I liken the Bible to more of a moral guidebook than a blow-by-blow historical account. I studied Old Testament history, and while a lot of the events occured, they have been changed enough to promote doubt in their validity. Doesn't mean it's wrong, or a lie, or even the truth. The beauty of it is that there is a lot of debate around it--the same can be said for Brown's novel.
 

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Even if he says it's true, or even greater, if it was proven to be true, I don't see how that undermines Christianity, or any religion at all. I read the Catholics opposition to it, and I don't buy where it discredits anything in the Bible, or how were are supposed to treat others as part of our religous background. I guess if you believe, you believe. It's just like the religous people who say the theory of evolution undermines religion. It doesn't at all.
 

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Chaplin said:
And if he did, does it matter? Does that one book threaten you and your way of life? Of course it doesn't--there isn't enough overwhelming positive response to it to affect anyone's beliefs. And if it does, who cares? The beauty of our society is that we can believe what we want and that we can make any kind of movie we want. What's wrong with combining to two?


It matters to me, Chaplin. Okay, I know this is VERY religious sounding, so bear with me...just look at my side: I personally have faith that if you don't believe in Jesus or accept him as your savior, you aren't going to heaven, etc. That is my belief, and I don't apologize for them.

So if I see something out there that could throw people off course, I'm going to worry about it. And yes, I have seen and heard peopel talking about the book outloud, even asking things like "wow, this is interesting...I can't believe it's all fact..."

We can believe what we want, yes...but if what I believe if true, and I have faith in it...it would be a disservice to YOU, and to God, to just let everyone continue on their way without me trying to be of some influence.

ANd now this thread should likely go to the P&R forum, lol.
 

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Yuma said:
Even if he says it's true, or even greater, if it was proven to be true, I don't see how that undermines Christianity, or any religion at all. I read the Catholics opposition to it, and I don't buy where it discredits anything in the Bible, or how were are supposed to treat others as part of our religous background. I guess if you believe, you believe. It's just like the religous people who say the theory of evolution undermines religion. It doesn't at all.
Did you read the book?

It basically says that Jesus isn't the messiah, Mary is...

(if I remember correctly)

Umm...pretty big deal there :)
 

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Chandler Mike said:
Thanks Brian.

He said it in his forward to the book too, because when I read it, I thought what I was going to read was facts...

I wish I still had it to look it up, but I don't think that I do.
I read the forward and he mentions some of the facts in the book, not that the book is true. I don't know about the interview because I never saw it. But I went online and resaerched all the organizations and facts he said were in the book, and they were all online. The catholic organizations he lists are there, etc.
 

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Chandler Mike said:
Did you read the book?

It basically says that Jesus isn't the messiah, Mary is...

(if I remember correctly)

Umm...pretty big deal there :)
Reread the book. Jesus is still Jesus. It's Mary is the Chalice, or Holy Grail. Not an actual cup. And the part they are mad at is Brown says she had Jesus' child.
 

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Chandler Mike said:
Only because of the book...the reviews are horrible. 22% on Rotten Tomatoes is...badddddd...

We know you won't see it because of your religious beliefs, but who cares what critics say? If you read a review of 40-year-old Virgin that says it's the worst piece of junk out in 10 years, you would say that the critic doesn't know what he's talking about. But have him say that about a movie like the DaVinci Code, which you have already condemned without seeing, then they must be correct.
 

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Chandler Mike said:
Did you read the book?

It basically says that Jesus isn't the messiah, Mary is...

(if I remember correctly)

Umm...pretty big deal there :)


I didnt get that from the book. I got that they were both very rich and from very powerful families (which jesus was, the story is just better if he was poor and Mary was a prostitute)

I got from the book that Mary was an apostle (Hence her being in the last supper painting next to Jesus) and that they were married and had a daughter named Sarah. More than believable to me. In fact much more believable than what is taught now.

Also, I think it was 83 books to choose from and 4 were published in the new testament? Who is in charge of making that call? No one questions that?
 

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I'm not a Brown defender, I just see both sides arguing innacuracies with the story and it's frustrating. At least argue the facts! ;) :) :violin:
 
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