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Well, my guys were mostly right. The Cards did trade down and that position board came into play. However, the Cards did botch the trade by not being aware that the itch factor would come into play with the QBs. Clearly a little better smoke screen on taking a QB or maybe even a phone call to a couple of teams would have given the Cards at least the Cleveland round 3 pick. That 8 pick difference in the 3rd round slot is significant, but the later you go in the draft, the less of a factor it becomes. The Cards wanted a deal badly and just blinked. Still, they did end up with an extra pick and an interesting player.

Deone Bucannon might have been available later, but I'm not sure he would have lasted until the Vikings' 40. For those of you who remember Adrian Wilson, well he's back. Okay don't get too excited. Bucannon may never make a Pro Bowl, safeties have become more athletic. Still this guy has value and was higher on my board than most, though not quite this high. Nonetheless I think in you will grow to like this pick.

Clinton-Dix had off the field issues, only some of which were publicized. Keep in mind I live in Orlando. I was also not certain Clinton-Dix was tough enough to be a strong safety. He may do fine, but there were some risks there I would not have taken either. Su'a-Filo and Ealy were the only other options at 27 and neither would start next year. Bucannon might well start by year’s end and will immediately help on special teams and special situations. A Vikings trade would have been interesting, but since the Cards would have needed a 2 and 3, not a 2 and 4 it’s complicated. Cards could have sent pick 120 to the Vikings, but the Cards wouldn’t have netted another player. I do not think Bucannon was a sure thing to last until 40 as he was well ranked on several boards. I had him as the second best safety.

That said, in many ways, like Wilson, he is more of an athlete than a great safety at this stage of his career. The Wilson comparison goes deeper. Bucannon should develop into a force when blitzing, though he must improve his tackling. He hits with tons of authority, but doesn’t always wrap up fully, so sometimes he just bounces a player he doesn’t bring down. He would often whiff on a player like Manziel, but so would many safeties. Still Bucannon is fast and loves contact. He will get his share of highlights. Oddly, his downside is similar to Wilson as well. He is very fast for a safety, but not strong in pass coverage. He is not the answer in taking away a good receiving tight end. He will look even worse covering backs and receivers, though not so much in zone. He lacks fluidity and is not smooth when backpedaling. Receivers will get separation. Bucannon hits hard enough to make receivers think when going over the middle. He has decent hands, like Wilson, and on poorly thrown or tipped balls, he is capable of making a play. He will get his share of interceptions.

Bucannon will look best when playing in the box, though he will misdiagnose some plays.

Overall this guy’s success will, like Wilson’s, depend on how badly he wants it and how hard he works. He is teachable and has excellent character. He is a locker room and community asset. I have always believed that you don’t get so hung up on where a player should go in the draft that you fail to get a player you want. So if he’s the guy I want, I don’t care if may project him in the 40’s. It only takes one team that wants him to mess up waiting. I think Bucannon was as good a choice at 27 as was on the board.

What I like best about the pick is that Keim had the guts to make it. This guy could be special and Keim’s predecessor would not have taken this kind of risk. This is why GM’s make the big money and what makes the great ones great. Bucannon may not make it, but I like the play.
 

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Good write up. Buchanon was definitely a need pick and will play a role on the team. Heck, he'll probably start.

My concern is the Adrian Wilson-type player is being phased out in today's NFL. I could see Buchanon becoming a Brandon Merriweather-type player just as easily.
 

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Well, my guys were mostly right. The Cards did trade down and that position board came into play. However, the Cards did botch the trade by not being aware that the itch factor would come into play with the QBs. Clearly a little better smoke screen on taking a QB or maybe even a phone call to a couple of teams would have given the Cards at least the Cleveland round 3 pick. That 8 pick difference in the 3rd round slot is significant, but the later you go in the draft, the less of a factor it becomes. The Cards wanted a deal badly and just blinked. Still, they did end up with an extra pick and an interesting player.

Deone Bucannon might have been available later, but I'm not sure he would have lasted until the Vikings' 40. For those of you who remember Adrian Wilson, well he's back. Okay don't get too excited. Bucannon may never make a Pro Bowl, safeties have become more athletic. Still this guy has value and was higher on my board than most, though not quite this high. Nonetheless I think in you will grow to like this pick.

Clinton-Dix had off the field issues, only some of which were publicized. Keep in mind I live in Orlando. I was also not certain Clinton-Dix was tough enough to be a strong safety. He may do fine, but there were some risks there I would not have taken either. Su'a-Filo and Ealy were the only other options at 27 and neither would start next year. Bucannon might well start by year’s end and will immediately help on special teams and special situations. A Vikings trade would have been interesting, but since the Cards would have needed a 2 and 3, not a 2 and 4 it’s complicated. Cards could have sent pick 120 to the Vikings, but the Cards wouldn’t have netted another player. I do not think Bucannon was a sure thing to last until 40 as he was well ranked on several boards. I had him as the second best safety.

That said, in many ways, like Wilson, he is more of an athlete than a great safety at this stage of his career. The Wilson comparison goes deeper. Bucannon should develop into a force when blitzing, though he must improve his tackling. He hits with tons of authority, but doesn’t always wrap up fully, so sometimes he just bounces a player he doesn’t bring down. He would often whiff on a player like Manziel, but so would many safeties. Still Bucannon is fast and loves contact. He will get his share of highlights. Oddly, his downside is similar to Wilson as well. He is very fast for a safety, but not strong in pass coverage. He is not the answer in taking away a good receiving tight end. He will look even worse covering backs and receivers, though not so much in zone. He lacks fluidity and is not smooth when backpedaling. Receivers will get separation. Bucannon hits hard enough to make receivers think when going over the middle. He has decent hands, like Wilson, and on poorly thrown or tipped balls, he is capable of making a play. He will get his share of interceptions.

Bucannon will look best when playing in the box, though he will misdiagnose some plays.

Overall this guy’s success will, like Wilson’s, depend on how badly he wants it and how hard he works. He is teachable and has excellent character. He is a locker room and community asset. I have always believed that you don’t get so hung up on where a player should go in the draft that you fail to get a player you want. So if he’s the guy I want, I don’t care if may project him in the 40’s. It only takes one team that wants him to mess up waiting. I think Bucannon was as good a choice at 27 as was on the board.

What I like best about the pick is that Keim had the guts to make it. This guy could be special and Keim’s predecessor would not have taken this kind of risk. This is why GM’s make the big money and what makes the great ones great. Bucannon may not make it, but I like the play.

Apparently Belichick had this guy ticketed for NE. I think it is an outstanding pick for all the reasons that have been discussed.

He's a physical safety in the NFC West and a definite upgrade over last year's starter IMO. When you have three run-heavy opponents in your division, you can't survive with a namby-pamby playing strong safety. And when you have Marshawn Lynch bearing down on you, you need someone like Deone Bucannon ready to take him on.
 

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I guess I don't like surprises or emotions or getting stunned, I think not getting more for the trade or Bridgewater, Carr or an OLB might be the mainstream regrets - Of course I want a large impact RB to go with Ellington - it is just the way I'm built - I probably aint changing soon. I think Hyde is a 3 down back and a first rounder every year except this one - and honestly I didn't see a better BPA at 20 or 26. ESPECIALLY in the RUN Driven NFCW.

We did well when the run game took pressure off our QB - we sucked when it didn't- just like the last few years and forever.

Lets hope this old school Strong Safety can help stop Lynch and Gore in our division. Cause that is what it really boils down to in the NFCW. And Our backs don't keep them up at night. WE are still one dimensional. And that is never a good thing.


Cardinals' surprise pick gives Draft one of its most emotional moments

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With the football world still buzzing over the Browns' selection of Manziel at No. 22, the Arizona Cardinals, who had themselves passed on Manziel when they traded down from No. 20 to No. 27 with the Saints, gave us one of the stunners of the first round.

Deone Bucannon.

Yeah, Deone Bucannon.

Not found on many — if any — first-round mock drafts, Bucannon is a safety from Washington State and a two-time All-Pac-12 selection known for his ferocious hitting. More than one pundit has compared him to Seattle safety Kam Chancellor.

Some fans feel the same way, too.
 

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The more I read about him the better he sounds.

He is a hard hitter and if you watch some highlights he really has a nose for the ball

I believe he had 6 INT's and 110+tackles last year
 

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4 of ASFN's biggest "hitters" have now endorsed this pick so I'm more than at peace with it.
 

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What I like best about the pick is that Keim had the guts to make it. This guy could be special and Keim’s predecessor would not have taken this kind of risk. This is why GM’s make the big money and what makes the great ones great. Bucannon may not make it, but I like the play.

Nice write up. What do you think about Baptiste? Where will he go? Do we take another DB?
 

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Love this picks and love the fact that Keim & Co. had the insight and the Cajones to make the pick. He's a faster Adrian Wilson. He will be a beast in the box and will bolster our run defense. He will also be a great weapon for Bowles who will find a way to get Bucannon into the opposing teams' backfield. He will be a disruptive force for sure and opposing WR's will be "aware" of his presence when crossing the middle! Way to go Keim & Co.!


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I'm glad to hear Harry's endorsement, although him not being the guy to cover tight end's make's me nervous. Isn't that what we wanted out of this position? We've done pretty well stopping the run last year, we need to improve stopping those TEs!
 

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Love this picks and love the fact that Keim & Co. had the insight and the Cajones to make the pick. He's a faster Adrian Wilson. He will be a beast in the box and will bolster our run defense. He will also be a great weapon for Bowles who will find a way to get Bucannon into the opposing teams' backfield. He will be a disruptive force for sure and opposing WR's will be "aware" of his presence when crossing the middle! Way to go Keim & Co.!


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We've come a long way from the days of Terrence Holt. ;)
 

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Love this picks and love the fact that Keim & Co. had the insight and the Cajones to make the pick. He's a faster Adrian Wilson. He will be a beast in the box and will bolster our run defense. He will also be a great weapon for Bowles who will find a way to get Bucannon into the opposing teams' backfield. He will be a disruptive force for sure and opposing WR's will be "aware" of his presence when crossing the middle! Way to go Keim & Co.!


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Weren't the Cards top 3 against the run last year? That doesn't sound like run defense needs too much bolstering.

WR's won't be aware of him. He'll more likely be aware of Goodell after his first fine.

Again, Adrian Wilson and Kam Chancellor, the guys he's compared to, were 3rd and 5th round picks respectively.
 

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From what I've read, the Browns originally wanted Brandin Cooks @ 26. Once they saw the Saints leapfrog them to pick up Cooks, they competed with the Vikings to land Manziel.. forcing them to use their 3rd round pick. If this is true, our trade wasn't so bad after all. Eagles just got lucky.
 

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Weren't the Cards top 3 against the run last year? That doesn't sound like run defense needs too much bolstering.



WR's won't be aware of him. He'll more likely be aware of Goodell after his first fine.



Again, Adrian Wilson and Kam Chancellor, the guys he's compared to, were 3rd and 5th round picks respectively.


We play in the NFC West where it's all about what happens in the box. Bucannon will bolster our play in the box, will be a force on the other side of the line of scrimmage and has the speed and athleticism to cover.
You want to compare him to when Wilson and Chancellor were picked? Go for it... But you are entirely neglecting the reality of how much the game has changed since those two were drafted.


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Weren't the Cards top 3 against the run last year? That doesn't sound like run defense needs too much bolstering.

WR's won't be aware of him. He'll more likely be aware of Goodell after his first fine.

Again, Adrian Wilson and Kam Chancellor, the guys he's compared to, were 3rd and 5th round picks respectively.

Yeremiah Bell won't be back and needed replaced. Do you really believe his replacement was already on the roster?

Times have changed. Read any recent article and the value of safeties has increased just as the value of running backs has decreased. That's the evolving nature of the National Football League.

Four impact safeties were available in this draft. All four were gone by pick #30 in the first round. Can you name a safety available in the 3rd round of the draft THIS year that would be the equivalent of Chancellor or Wilson? The quality of the safety class obviously varies from year-to-year. This year it is said to be very thin.
 

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Weren't the Cards top 3 against the run last year? That doesn't sound like run defense needs too much bolstering.

WR's won't be aware of him. He'll more likely be aware of Goodell after his first fine.

Again, Adrian Wilson and Kam Chancellor, the guys he's compared to, were 3rd and 5th round picks respectively.

You are aware we lost dansby and who knows when Washington will see the field. We are going to need help in run support. As to your last paragraph knowing what we know now they both would have been 1st round picks and the league has changed.

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Going all the way back to 1994, 20 years worth of first round picks, anybody care to guess how many SS were drafted in round 1?

You can stop looking after 2012 because there has been a grand total of 1 strong safety, Mark Barron, drafted in the first round since 1994 and probably longer if I'd kept going.

Even Dix, Pryor, and Ward are FS's in this draft class. Buchanon must be very special.
 

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Don't like the pick for many reasons. The guy is an in the box SS. Nobody uses safety's like that anymore. We need four guys that can cover and DB has stiff hips. I think Tony Jefferson would be just as good and he's already on the roster. There is just not any scenario where I see DB worthy of a first round pick.
 

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Going all the way back to 1994, 20 years worth of first round picks, anybody care to guess how many SS were drafted in round 1?



You can stop looking after 2012 because there has been a grand total of 1 strong safety, Mark Barron, drafted in the first round since 1994 and probably longer if I'd kept going.



Even Dix, Pryor, and Ward are FS's in this draft class. Buchanon must be very special.


WTF dude?? We didn't have a SS yesterday. We lost Dansby. d-Wash will be out for part of the season. Abraham is another year older... We needed help in a huge way in the box. Dix, Pryor and Ward are smaller and slower than Bucannon.
And who cares how many safeties were picked in round 1 in the past??
What has Keim, BA and their staff done to raise so much doubt with you??
Get over it man and let's hope Bucannon becomes all we hope he can be, and then some!


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Going all the way back to 1994, 20 years worth of first round picks, anybody care to guess how many SS were drafted in round 1?

You can stop looking after 2012 because there has been a grand total of 1 strong safety, Mark Barron, drafted in the first round since 1994 and probably longer if I'd kept going.

Even Dix, Pryor, and Ward are FS's in this draft class. Buchanon must be very special.

Remember when RB were all the 1st round rage? Now you would be crazy to draft one in the 1st round. The league evolves and changes, previous drafts do not dictate the current state of the NFL and what it takes to win.

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Going all the way back to 1994, 20 years worth of first round picks, anybody care to guess how many SS were drafted in round 1?

You can stop looking after 2012 because there has been a grand total of 1 strong safety, Mark Barron, drafted in the first round since 1994 and probably longer if I'd kept going.

Even Dix, Pryor, and Ward are FS's in this draft class. Buchanon must be very special.

Didn't the Cowboys take a SS in the top ten several years ago?

Doesn't matter to me either way as the pick is in and more and more info is coming out that it was a good pick.

But don't let go of this bone for the next several days, you have your process as your rants about Rolle and Rhoads have finally come to an end. :D
 

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Didn't the Cowboys take a SS in the top ten several years ago?

Doesn't matter to me either way as the pick is in and more and more info is coming out that it was a good pick.

But don't let go of this bone for the next several days, you have your process as your rants about Rolle and Rhoads have finally come to an end. :D

Roy Williams.
 

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Didn't the Cowboys take a SS in the top ten several years ago?

Doesn't matter to me either way as the pick is in and more and more info is coming out that it was a good pick.

But don't let go of this bone for the next several days, you have your process as your rants about Rolle and Rhoads have finally come to an end. :D

Roy Williams in 2002
Kenny Vacaro - just last year
Laron Landry in 2007
Donte Whitner in 2006
Troy Polamalu in 2003

Unless I am mistaken but all of those guys were SS on their respective teams depth charts were they not?
 
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