The Implication of Taking Doucet

[Snakester]

Nice pick. And he does fill a need as our third WR. There were others that I wanted more but this was a good pick up. I guess we will go o-line in the fourth round.

 

[NMCard]

The Cards will not trade Boldin. He is the leader of the team. Doucet is a steal in the 3rd and he will instantly become the 3rd WR making people wonder who that Johnson guy was.

Boldins agent was on prior to the draft yesterday. He said that Boldin was unhappy and that he should have a contract like they paid Fitz.

 

[Brewster10]

We should have drafted Phillip Wheeler or Cliff Avrill at OLB and maybe taken Harry Douglass at WR despite his size. I think Douglass will be a solid slot Wr ala Bobby Ingram. Doucett is a Boldin clone and Harry you could be right, this could spell the end of Q in AZ!!!

Why should we have drafted those two players? Cause you like them?

You would rather have Harry Douglass who u label as a "solid slot WR, like Bobby Ingram"... then in the next sentence you call Doucet a "Boldin clone"..

So you would rather have a Bobby Ingram clone than an Anquan Boldin clone?

The reason you people hate this draft pick is because you read into it that Anquan will be traded.. calm down.. and realize this was the best WR in CFB coming into 2007.. injuries slowed him down.. but as Nick Saban told one of the ESPN guys, Doucet is just as talented as Bowe who went ffirst round to KC last yr..

This was a great pick of BPA

 

[joeshmo]

.........because he's not a blazer, I wonder what you said when we selected a second rounder, a few years back, who ran a 4.6 forty?

Different set of circumstances though. Boldin was coming off of an injury. Plus everyone thinks our need is a speed WR, back then we thought we grabbed a speed WR in Bryant Johnson and just needed a compliment to him.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

NE just took a QB, is Brady on the block? ESPN is stupid. Boldin will be an issue next off season.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Who ?

Exactly!

Goodbye skillethands. Hello Stickyhands!

 

[joeshmo]

Our head scout Steve Kiem knows his southern WR's. He was the one that championed for Boldin if I remember correctly. This could be a better pick then we realize.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Doucet was an all american at WR when Bowe was still at LSU. The only reason he slipped is because he had a hamstring problem last year.

They could have taken Doucet in the second round and it would have been a good pick.

 

[az jam]

I think its an excellent pick especially on the third round. Most publication and boards had him top 10 some even top 5. He is solid, tough, can run after the catch, a good blocker. He will become our third WR.

 

[Mitch]

The Cardinals took the WR in this draft with the best hands...Doucet caught 96.7% of the passes thrown to him at LSU...and, get this, he's a player who doesn't hear footsteps...he is supremely tough concentrating on the football. Essentially the Cards went from having a #3 WR who had speed but shaky hands, to a #3 WR who thrives in the slot and catches virtually every ball thrown his way.

While Doucet runs in the 4.5 range (not a true burner), he has an extremely strong base and excellent feet, which alow him to create separation off his cuts.

While I appreciate and understand Harry's point about the possible implications of this pick, I think this pick was as simple as taking the WR who has the best hands in the draft. TSN has Doucet rated as the #1 WR and had him going in the first round to Tampa Bay at #20. (They also had Calais Campbell going #13 to Carolina...which essentially means that with their first three picks, the Cardinals took three players who at one time or another were considered first round talent).

The Cardinals got tremendous value at #81 with this kid.

Sure, the Cardinals still need a deep threat...and maybe Jamaica Rector can be that...or maybe the Cards might add another WR later. But, as we saw with Bryant Johnson, what good is deep speed if the player can't catch the ball?

And, let's not forget how many games BJ had to start when either Q or LF were hurt. Doucet gives the Cards a bona fide starter, who can play the Z WR.

 

[az jam]

Nice write up Mitch. I totally agree with you.

 

[82CardsGrad]

The Cardinals took the WR in this draft with the best hands...Doucet caught 96.7% of the passes thrown to him at LSU...and, get this, he's a player who doesn't hear footsteps...he is supremely tough concentrating on the football. Essentially the Cards went from having a #3 WR who had speed but shaky hands, to a #3 WR who thrives in the slot and catches virtually every ball thrown his way.

While Doucet runs in the 4.5 range (not a true burner), he has an extremely strong base and excellent feet, which alow him to create separation off his cuts.

While I appreciate and understand Harry's point about the possible implications of this pick, I think this pick was as simple as taking the WR who has the best hands in the draft. TSN has Doucet rated as the #1 WR and had him going in the first round to Tampa Bay at #20. (They also had Calais Campbell going #13 to Carolina...which essentially means that with their first three picks, the Cardinals took three players who at one time or another were considered first round talent).

The Cardinals got tremendous value at #81 with this kid.

Sure, the Cardinals still need a deep threat...and maybe Jamaica Rector can be that...or maybe the Cards might add another WR later. But, as we saw with Bryant Johnson, what good is deep speed if the player can't catch the ball?

And, let's not forget how many games BJ had to start when either Q or LF were hurt. Doucet gives the Cards a bona fide starter, who can play the Z WR.

We'll know more about the "value" in years to come Mitch... Didn't we think we got "tremendous value" with the Buster Davis pick last season??

 

[slanidrac16]

I was not happy with this pick , but thanks to most of you I can feel better about it. At least we will have a bonifide wr if Q or Fitz have to leave the game or miss a couple of weeks.

Q is going to be a part of this team. Doucet is not his replacement......at least not this year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I think everyone is readin WAY too much into this (http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1703193&postcount=1 ). We need another reciever and Doucet wit fit nicely as our 3rd/slot receiver. Boldin aint going no where... I think the Cards realized they werent goint to get a better player/WR than Doucet past the 3rd and a lot of the players they probably wanted were taken in the 9 picks directly ahead of them in the 3rd round.

BTW: KC is killing this draft!!!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This pick makes no sense to me.

THe curse of round 3 continues, IMO.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Another implication of this pick:

I don't believe the Cardinals are trading Boldin. However, this pick removes the leverage Boldin would have with attempting a hold out. This pick means it is more likely that his agent will not pull any silly shenanigans.

 

[Brewster10]

Listen to the kid on the conference call.. he idolizes Anquan.. compares himself to Anquan.. and now has a chip on his shoulder..

This was a very good pick..

We'll either have a sick trio of WRs.. or a player with a similar skill set to Anquan to start grooming, just in case a contract extension doesnt get worked out..

 

[Renz]

Nice write up Mitch. I totally agree with you.

Doucet was BPA and WR is a position of need for us. Great pick, IMO.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

40% of BJ's catches were for first down. If we get that or better out of a third round pick, we've done just fine.

 

[Proteus]

Ugh...we didn't need another receiver without speed.

 

[JeffGollin]

I wasn't crazy about the pick, but I understand why they did it.

I wouldn't read too much of the Boldin-issue into the pick - we needed a slot guy to replace BJ and Doucet was there in the 3rd. I had him #52 on my big board (and 2nd to Dexter Jackson rating receivers in terms of fit within the Cardinal system. We got him at #81 - a good value. I would have liked someone faster, but this wasn't a very deep year for quick, mobile wideouts.

My main beef was at the beginning of the day when SD traded up to the first spot (giving up a 6th round pick) in order to nab Kevin Smith. We could have done something like that (if not for Smith, at least a couple of picks later in order to secure Charles). Instead, we sat on our thumbs. With Slaton off the board, there are no "home run" RB's left that I'm aware of.

What we get in Doucet is a guy who, although he runs a 4.59, is the polished product of a pretty good LSU program and who can be expected to contribute right away. Other than the lack of speed, the major knocks on him is that he talks too much trash and will drop too many easy ones because he tries to run before he secures the ball.

Bottom line - An OK pick - not a great one. (Note - At the top of my board when our pick came up was: Avril, Schuening, Rubin, DeCoud, Branch, Adibi, Zbikowski, Kehl, Okam, Josh Johnson, Henderson, Leman, Stevens and Morgan in that order).

 

[HookemCards]

The Cardinals took the WR in this draft with the best hands...Doucet caught 96.7% of the passes thrown to him at LSU...and, get this, he's a player who doesn't hear footsteps...he is supremely tough concentrating on the football. Essentially the Cards went from having a #3 WR who had speed but shaky hands, to a #3 WR who thrives in the slot and catches virtually every ball thrown his way.

While Doucet runs in the 4.5 range (not a true burner), he has an extremely strong base and excellent feet, which alow him to create separation off his cuts.

While I appreciate and understand Harry's point about the possible implications of this pick, I think this pick was as simple as taking the WR who has the best hands in the draft. TSN has Doucet rated as the #1 WR and had him going in the first round to Tampa Bay at #20. (They also had Calais Campbell going #13 to Carolina...which essentially means that with their first three picks, the Cardinals took three players who at one time or another were considered first round talent).

The Cardinals got tremendous value at #81 with this kid.

Sure, the Cardinals still need a deep threat...and maybe Jamaica Rector can be that...or maybe the Cards might add another WR later. But, as we saw with Bryant Johnson, what good is deep speed if the player can't catch the ball?

And, let's not forget how many games BJ had to start when either Q or LF were hurt. Doucet gives the Cards a bona fide starter, who can play the Z WR.

I agree with most of this with the exception of Johnson's deep speed, I really don't think he had that.

I have to admit when I saw the pick the first thought that entered my mind was trading Boldin, but after thinking about it. It seems they just went BPA left on their board, my guess is they would have taken Conner, Charles, or Smith had they been there. Now if they had actually passed on these guys then the Boldin trade idea would have more teeth.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Instead, we sat on our thumbs. With Slaton off the board, there are no "home run" RB's left that I'm aware of.

Anthony Alridge from Houston

Other than the lack of speed, the major knocks on him is that he talks too much trash and will drop too many easy ones because he tries to run before he secures the ball

Actually Doucet has probably the best hands out of this WR class and uses his hands to catch the ball. So I have to disagree with you on this one.

 

[WildBB]

Clearly I liked him a great deal if I had him going 11 to Buffalo.

If he stays healthy, he will be an impact receiver in the NFL.

To me this only means one thing. Despite the denials, the Cards are seriously considering trading Boldin.


Doucet is a fine player and easily worth this pick. He just doesn’t fit with the other two receivers.

Well, I think they are bracing for Rosenhaus holding out Quan, possibly into the season. Because he's not going anywhere.

Bottom line like you said, dude can play.

 

[HookemCards]

I wasn't crazy about the pick, but I understand why they did it.

I wouldn't read too much of the Boldin-issue into the pick - we needed a slot guy to replace BJ and Doucet was there in the 3rd. I had him #52 on my big board (and 2nd to Dexter Jackson rating receivers in terms of fit within the Cardinal system. We got him at #81 - a good value. I would have liked someone faster, but this wasn't a very deep year for quick, mobile wideouts.

My main beef was at the beginning of the day when SD traded up to the first spot (giving up a 6th round pick) in order to nab Kevin Smith. We could have done something like that (if not for Smith, at least a couple of picks later in order to secure Charles). Instead, we sat on our thumbs. With Slaton off the board, there are no "home run" RB's left that I'm aware of.

What we get in Doucet is a guy who, although he runs a 4.59, is the polished product of a pretty good LSU program and who can be expected to contribute right away. Other than the lack of speed, the major knocks on him is that he talks too much trash and will drop too many easy ones because he tries to run before he secures the ball.

Bottom line - An OK pick - not a great one. (Note - At the top of my board when our pick came up was: Avril, Schuening, Rubin, DeCoud, Branch, Adibi, Zbikowski, Kehl, Okam, Josh Johnson, Henderson, Leman, Stevens and Morgan in that order).

A few weeks back I posted a link to size to speed ratio for RBs, there was one RB that was small school but his ratio was outstanding, I'll see if I can dig it up.
Here it is: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=110159

Simpson and Parmele are small school guys with good ratio's, probably UDFA's or 7th rounders.