The Last Push For Horton

[RugbyMuffin]

Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki
Hearing the situation w/ the Cards & Ray Horton is tense after a meeting the other nite w/ Steve Keim, Horton is under contract 1 more yr.

Yep.

Thought so, of course the rumor police will be all over this in seconds, but it is what it is.

IF IT IS TRUE.

The Cardinals have officially crap that bed. The only thing this team had is now gone.

Great job as usual.

Not the same ol' Cardinals but shades of 2000 staring us right in the face.

Horton has every right to be pissed, he just got Boldin'ed.

 

[Azlen]

More or less the same guys that couldn't stop diddly poo before he got there ?

The defense improved last year when they pulled guys like Joey Porter out of the lineup and replaced them with the younger guys. Horton did a great job, but getting some of the older guys out of the lineup was a big help as well.

 

[JeffGollin]

It could all come down to this:

"Ray, you know we want to wind up with a coaching staff that's as exciting and productive on offense as it's been with you in charge of the defense."

"Which means that, if we were to make you HC, it could only happen if we get a proven guy who can turn around our QB and Offense."

"Frankly, we think we can do better than the guys you came up with for OC, and have the following 2 or 3 guys in mind."

"If you're willing to go along with one of them, the HC job is yours.

"Otherwise, we could achieve the same objective by hiring an offensive head coach and keeping you as DC."

"Your call. How about it?"

(This may be where the rubber hits the road).

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If true, "we were warned."

Yep.

Regardless if the rumor police tried to cover it up.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The defense improved last year when they pulled guys like Joey Porter out of the lineup and replaced them with the younger guys. Horton did a great job, but getting some of the older guys out of the lineup was a big help as well.

Yeah, cause Sam Acho, and O'Brien Schofield/Quentin Groves/Zack Nash are pass rushing monsters, right ?

It is his scheme, his ability to motivate, and ability to coach.

The guy has shown we he can do.

You don't want the guy as a Head coach, fine. But, you don't lie to him.

And the rumor police who are SO CERTAIN OF THE TRUTH, can deal with the fact I believe Horton was told he was going to get his answer earlier this week.

Don't care if you see differently, since you don't respect my opinions on it.

 

[PDXChris]

Yep.

Regardless if the rumor police tried to cover it up.

Quit being a jerk, the rumor that keeps getting referenced is not that one, it is that Bruce does not want Horton, which HIS agent said was completely false.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Quit being a jerk, the rumor that keeps getting referenced is not that one, it is that Bruce does not want Horton, which HIS agent said was completely false.

I come on the board to talk football. Mention things I hear around the media and get personally blasted for it and I am not the only one.

For what? Because YOUR source says something it HAS to be true and anyone else's source HAS to be wrong. Anyone that even mentions what you don't believe to be true is shot down. Not reasoning, no points to be made, just tells the person it cannot be true cause you don't believe the source so, of course those people are completely wrong to talk about or believe it. Its YOUR way or nothing.

Cause why? A flipping agent whose prime objective is to sell his client to teams says so? Cause salesmen never lie & every agent that has said anything this offseason has been true, right?

I have no problem with people talking about what they want but I am certainly going to defend myself when I am personally attacked and/or told what I can write about and what I cannot based on the fact that someone else who sits in the same situation just on the other side of the debate says their opinion as fact tho they have no more proof then anyone else.

Take your own advise, cause all I am doing is defending myself. Maybe if you and others weren't such aggressive jerks about trying to control what people want to talk about you would not end up in the situation. Treat others like you want to ne treated.

Cause just like the rest if you actually read the thread, it is clearly stated that it is all rumors and heresay. But we want to talk about it anyway. If you don't then fine, I respect that, but if you and others are going to be a jerk and try to make us stop talking about it by carpet bombing the message board with "shut up cause MY source says otherwise, stop talking about it" or personal attacks then expect to be treated in the same way.

Ridiculous. I can talk about something without being constantly harassed cause someone else's rumor just has to be true.

And if I dare question it, I am the jerk. Yeah, wonder why I have bug up mu butt about it.

How about a deal give us one thread to talk about what we want and you and rest of the rumor police can lock down the rest of the board and make sure we write and discuss about the proper things.

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[Evil Ash]

I come on the board to talk football. Mention things I hear around the media and get personally blasted for it and I am not the only one.

For what? Because YOUR source says something it HAS to be true and anyone else's source HAS to be wrong. Anyone that even mentions what you don't believe to be true is shot down. Not reasoning, no points to be made, just tells the person it cannot be true cause you don't believe the source so, of course those people are completely wrong to talk about or believe it. Its YOUR way or nothing.

Cause why? A flipping agent whose prime objective is to sell his client to teams says so? Cause salesmen never lie & every agent that has said anything this offseason has been true, right?

I have no problem with people talking about what they want but I am certainly going to defend myself when I am personally attacked and/or told what I can write about and what I cannot based on the fact that someone else who sits in the same situation just on the other side of the debate says their opinion as fact tho they have no more proof then anyone else.

Take your own advise, cause all I am doing is defending myself. Maybe if you and others weren't such aggressive jerks about trying to control what people want to talk about you would not end up in the situation. Treat others like you want to ne treated.

Cause just like the rest if you actually read the thread, it is clearly stated that it is all rumors and heresay. But we want to talk about it anyway. If you don't then fine, I respect that, but if you and others are going to be a jerk and try to make us stop talking about it by carpet bombing the message board with "shut up cause MY source says otherwise, stop talking about it" or personal attacks then expect to be treated in the same way.

Ridiculous. I can talk about something without being constantly harassed cause someone else's rumor just has to be true.

And if I dare question it, I am the jerk. Yeah, wonder why I have bug up mu butt about it.

How about a deal give us one thread to talk about what we want and you and rest of the rumor police can lock down the rest of the board and make sure we write and discuss about the proper things.

Sent from Rugbymuffin's Super Phone

Could his agent be lying? Its entirely possible.

However I'm more willing to trust a guy that is willing to put his name to what is being said rather than a rumor from an unnamed writer with an unnamed source.

 

[daves]

+1

I have thought about "Horton twisting in the wind". I feel the same way but this IS a business and he IS under contract. By not making him HC are we risking losing him ? Yep.

You mean next year? It's certainly possible. But since nobody else wanted him this year, the only way he's likely to get a HC gig next year is if the defense does great again this year. Which would be nice. And if it doesn't... maybe the Cardinals would be better off having the new HC bring in someone new anyway.

Are we risking stability in the current teams greatest asset ? Yep. But for now he is still here.

But unless Horton could find a more promising OC than Kirby Wilson, the alternative is likely no better than the status quo. The Cardinals HAVE to hire someone who will bring an offensive turnaround, and hope that the D holds up, with or without Horton running it. If Horton hasn't convinced management that he'd bring in someone who will effect an offensive turnaround, they have no choice but to pass him over and keep looking.

I think the way it has to be looked at is big picture.

Ray Horton [....]
Bruce Arians [....]
The Offensive Coaches [....]

Nice summary, except for the (since-corrected) part about Arians wanting to dump Horton and bring his own DC.

...dave

 

[PDXChris]

I come on the board to talk football. Mention things I hear around the media and get personally blasted for it and I am not the only one.

For what? Because YOUR source says something it HAS to be true and anyone else's source HAS to be wrong. Anyone that even mentions what you don't believe to be true is shot down. Not reasoning, no points to be made, just tells the person it cannot be true cause you don't believe the source so, of course those people are completely wrong to talk about or believe it. Its YOUR way or nothing.

Cause why? A flipping agent whose prime objective is to sell his client to teams says so? Cause salesmen never lie & every agent that has said anything this offseason has been true, right?

I have no problem with people talking about what they want but I am certainly going to defend myself when I am personally attacked and/or told what I can write about and what I cannot based on the fact that someone else who sits in the same situation just on the other side of the debate says their opinion as fact tho they have no more proof then anyone else.

Take your own advise, cause all I am doing is defending myself. Maybe if you and others weren't such aggressive jerks about trying to control what people want to talk about you would not end up in the situation. Treat others like you want to ne treated.

Cause just like the rest if you actually read the thread, it is clearly stated that it is all rumors and heresay. But we want to talk about it anyway. If you don't then fine, I respect that, but if you and others are going to be a jerk and try to make us stop talking about it by carpet bombing the message board with "shut up cause MY source says otherwise, stop talking about it" or personal attacks then expect to be treated in the same way.

Ridiculous. I can talk about something without being constantly harassed cause someone else's rumor just has to be true.

And if I dare question it, I am the jerk. Yeah, wonder why I have bug up mu butt about it.

How about a deal give us one thread to talk about what we want and you and rest of the rumor police can lock down the rest of the board and make sure we write and discuss about the proper things.

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You do realize that you started in on me for something I said to someone else. I have said anything to you todayuntil you did. So who is being the jerk?

It appears to you have a problem with being proven wrong and decided to start calling people names for proving you were wrong. Just my 2 cents, I am done arguing with you.

 

[daves]

Originally Posted by az jam
Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki
Hearing the situation w/ the Cards & Ray Horton is tense after a meeting the other nite w/ Steve Keim, Horton is under contract 1 more yr.

Yep.

Thought so, of course the rumor police will be all over this in seconds, but it is what it is.

IF IT IS TRUE.

The Cardinals have officially crap that bed. The only thing this team had is now gone.

Great job as usual.

Not the same ol' Cardinals but shades of 2000 staring us right in the face.

Horton has every right to be pissed, he just got Boldin'ed.

Wow, "Boldin'ed"? That's quite a conclusion to jump to!

First, it requires believing that Boldin somehow got screwed over by the team and bears no responsibility for his situation (which seemed to work out pretty well for him). The rumor is that he was "promised" a new contract, or at least that the team would work on a new contract, but then he didn't get it. So by analogy you are implying what - that Horton was promised the HC job? That he was promised he was one of the top 3 candidates?

Obviously he wasn't outright promised the job, or the team would've never bothered interviewing anyone else. And it may be that Horton WAS one of the top 3 candidates when he interviewed, but flubbed the interview by offering up Kirby Wilson as his OC candidate.

Perhaps you think the situation is tense because Horton was "left twisting in the wind" - but apparently Horton was expecting to hear more from the team on Tuesday, and according to Jurecki's tweet, it sounds as though the team did indeed meet him around then to update him on the coaching search.

As has already been discussed in this thread, it seems likely - and thoroughly reasonable - that they told him that unless he could bring a better offensive staff, they needed to keep looking for guys with a better chance of turning around the O.

I wouldn't expect him to be happy about it, and sure it might be awkward working with a new HC, but hey, NOBODY ELSE WANTED HIM AS A HC EITHER.

There are three obvious ways that this "tense situation" could've been avoided: (1) The team could've told Horton from the beginning that they're not interested in him as an HC candidate, (2) The team could've fired Horton along with the rest of the staff, or (3) Horton could've wowed them with his choices of offensive staff and the team coudl've hired him by now.

Seems to me he needs to get over it, get ready to put together a kick-ass D for a new HC, and hope for another opportunity next year.

...dave

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You do realize that you started in on me for something I said to someone else. I have said anything to you todayuntil you did. So who is being the jerk?

It appears to you have a problem with being proven wrong and decided to start calling people names for proving you were wrong. Just my 2 cents, I am done arguing with you.

Someone else ? Yeah, right see below.

Not to mention the others have no reason to have to deal with that BS. Just talk football, and make a point.

As for having a problem with being wrong, LOL.

Yep. That's me. Cause I never admit that I am wrong, yeah, right. I know about 50 ways to eat cooked crow.

I mean I certainly didn't admit it in this threa.....oh wait I did and still got attacked.

If yoy don't like the police reference then stop doing it. Just let people talk.

Yeah, I am the jerk...

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I am not pulling this out of my arse. Just sayin' Maybe tone it down and you won't get such responses.

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[RugbyMuffin]

Wow, "Boldin'ed"? That's quite a conclusion to jump to!

First, it requires believing that Boldin somehow got screwed over by the team and bears no responsibility for his situation (which seemed to work out pretty well for him). The rumor is that he was "promised" a new contract, or at least that the team would work on a new contract, but then he didn't get it. So by analogy you are implying what - that Horton was promised the HC job? That he was promised he was one of the top 3 candidates?

Obviously he wasn't outright promised the job, or the team would've never bothered interviewing anyone else. And it may be that Horton WAS one of the top 3 candidates when he interviewed, but flubbed the interview by offering up Kirby Wilson as his OC candidate.

Perhaps you think the situation is tense because Horton was "left twisting in the wind" - but apparently Horton was expecting to hear more from the team on Tuesday, and according to Jurecki's tweet, it sounds as though the team did indeed meet him around then to update him on the coaching search.

As has already been discussed in this thread, it seems likely - and thoroughly reasonable - that they told him that unless he could bring a better offensive staff, they needed to keep looking for guys with a better chance of turning around the O.

I wouldn't expect him to be happy about it, and sure it might be awkward working with a new HC, but hey, NOBODY ELSE WANTED HIM AS A HC EITHER.

There are three obvious ways that this "tense situation" could've been avoided: (1) The team could've told Horton from the beginning that they're not interested in him as an HC candidate, (2) The team could've fired Horton along with the rest of the staff, or (3) Horton could've wowed them with his choices of offensive staff and the team coudl've hired him by now.

Seems to me he needs to get over it, get ready to put together a kick-ass D for a new HC, and hope for another opportunity next year.

...dave

Good points.

In regards to rumors. I don't know what to say anymore. You tell me who is 100% correct and 100% truth right now and then that will be the only source to use. To me it is all rumors and heresay. My thoughts are my own based on the mountain of information out there and I think it would be down right arrogant to say one statement is more truthful then the next.

As for the Horton situation it sounds like our front office doesn't feel the need to be up front with their employees and while the are free to do so it is just poor business practice.

Its not like Horton and even Boldin performed poorly and didn't deserve at least some clarity. If you got a problem with a guy for what he did that is fine but make it clear why.

In this very thread I mention the huge question mark that was Horton's offensive plan. The thing to do is tell Horton on Tuesday (if that was in fact the case, again who knows) that they are no longer interested in him as a Head Coach straight up. And maybe they did and Horton got all angry about it.

I just don't know and neither does anyone else. All I can say is that there was mentions about Horton being a top three guy, that he was to be told what is going on Tuesday, and that currenly he wants out. The missing peice is when did Keim sit down with Horton, also that there was no mention of Bidwill sitting down with Horton.

I hope it is all hype. The only truths out there will come when things are finalized. But, until then? I don't think it is out of line to talk about it all on Cardinals message board.

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[RugbyMuffin]

However I'm more willing to trust a guy that is willing to put his name to what is being said rather than a rumor from an unnamed writer with an unnamed source.

Jurecki said it.

Still doesn't put much weight in it tho.


"I think it was two ninjas taped together to make one giant ninja!"

 

[kerouac9]

If Horton is still with the Cards next year, I hope he can gameplan to beat the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks.

Yup. 5-11 with 'im, 5-11 without 'im.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yup. 5-11 with 'im, 5-11 without 'im.

Yeah. I don't see any reason this team should conduct it's coaching search under the fear of losing Ray Horton. Yes he prodcued a quality defense, but it put up stinkers against our division and led to a 5-11 record. Hire the right guy and let him decide if Ray Horton is the best option for his staff. Of course this should have been done at the begining of the process when there were more options available.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah. I don't see any reason this team should conduct it's coaching search under the fear of losing Ray Horton. Yes he prodcued a quality defense, but it put up stinkers against our division and led to a 5-11 record. Hire the right guy and let him decide if Ray Horton is the best option for his staff. Of course this should have been done at the begining of the process when there were more options available.

Ray Horton is NOT Dave McGinnis, but if we handle this situation under the pressure of what to do with Ray Horton, it's identitical to the situation where we were stressed about not losing McGinnis when Tobin was in-house. We can prefer to keep Horton, but let's not lose a guy who's going to be good because of that preference.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear like there has been a candidate who impressed us enough to make some exceptions when it comes to the defensive staff.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Ray Horton is NOT Dave McGinnis, but if we handle this situation under the pressure of what to do with Ray Horton, it's identitical to the situation where we were stressed about not losing McGinnis when Tobin was in-house. We can prefer to keep Horton, but let's not lose a guy who's going to be good because of that preference.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear like there has been a candidate who impressed us enough to make some exceptions when it comes to the defensive staff.

Oooooo.....

You win the best point of the day. I totally forgot about that.

While I want Horton to stay, I agree.

If the Cardinals want Arians then sign him and let him do his thing. If this ridiculousness has shown anything is that Mike Bidwill is in WAY WAY over his head.

Let Keim and Arians run the show. I think it will fail personally, but you gotta let them do their thing if that is the decision.

Plus what the heck do I know more than anyone else, I think it won't work but I would be happy to have another helping of crow otherwise....extremely happy.

Maybe blue berry sauce this time ......

 

[PDXChris]

Someone else ? Yeah, right see below.

Not to mention the others have no reason to have to deal with that BS. Just talk football, and make a point.

As for having a problem with being wrong, LOL.

Yep. That's me. Cause I never admit that I am wrong, yeah, right. I know about 50 ways to eat cooked crow.

I mean I certainly didn't admit it in this threa.....oh wait I did and still got attacked.

If yoy don't like the police reference then stop doing it. Just let people talk.

Yeah, I am the jerk...

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I am not pulling this out of my arse. Just sayin' Maybe tone it down and you won't get such responses.

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You are one of my favorite posters and I have no beef with you. You are also right that in some instances I was a jerk. To be fair, that is nothing new though. Now quit thinking about me and give your beautiful wife some attention.

 

[Jetstream Green]

personal opinions or the slew of false reports accumulating from the so called sources, it comes down to this recent presser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVG1q49yPaY

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You are one of my favorite posters and I have no beef with you. You are also right that in some instances I was a jerk. To be fair, that is nothing new though. Now quit thinking about me and give your beautiful wife some attention.

BB, it is all good.

I just get defensive when I feel I can't talk about things without being harassed. I live in NJ, and this is the ONLY place I can talk about the Cardinals, thus I can be a little defensive.

I am not upset, trust me I am not. You are a passionate fan, and that is good stuff.

I have done things on this forum that are downright HORRIBLE, just HORRIBLE! It happens again passionate, and when I was younger, just plain stupid (now I am just less stupid LOL! )

BTW, I am I think your opinions and notes on the matter carry great weight, this things has gotten so big, it is ridiculous just for the fact of sorting through it all.

Who to believe ? God only knows and it probably took him more than 5 minutes to figure it all out.

Again, all good man. And trust me, I wish I was not so stupidly prideful, and stubborn, I don't like getting into it with any poster/fan, it happens tho and usually because of passion, they want success for themselves and their fellow fans so I hope no hard feelings, and apologize if for any annoyances.

That all being said, I know we both want the same thing. A winner, and some success from a team that we have to sacrifice so much to keep loyal to.

Butting heads always means you have the same goal, just trying to get there in different directions.

 

[PDXChris]

BB, it is all good.

I just get defensive when I feel I can't talk about things without being harassed. I live in NJ, and this is the ONLY place I can talk about the Cardinals, thus I can be a little defensive.

I am not upset, trust me I am not. You are a passionate fan, and that is good stuff.

I have done things on this forum that are downright HORRIBLE, just HORRIBLE! It happens again passionate, and when I was younger, just plain stupid (now I am just less stupid LOL! )

BTW, I am I think your opinions and notes on the matter carry great weight, this things has gotten so big, it is ridiculous just for the fact of sorting through it all.

Who to believe ? God only knows and it probably took him more than 5 minutes to figure it all out.

Again, all good man. And trust me, I wish I was not so stupidly prideful, and stubborn, I don't like getting into it with any poster/fan, it happens tho and usually because of passion, they want success for themselves and their fellow fans so I hope no hard feelings, and apologize if for any annoyances.

That all being said, I know we both want the same thing. A winner, and some success from a team that we have to sacrifice so much to keep loyal to.

Butting heads always means you have the same goal, just trying to get there in different directions.

I know you are passionate and why I took a step back and responded with my last post. No worries or hard feeling!!!!! Keep the passion going.

 

[WildBB]

Oooooo.....

You win the best point of the day. I totally forgot about that.

While I want Horton to stay, I agree.

If the Cardinals want Arians then sign him and let him do his thing. If this ridiculousness has shown anything is that Mike Bidwill is in WAY WAY over his head.

Let Keim and Arians run the show. I think it will fail personally, but you gotta let them do their thing if that is the decision.

Plus what the heck do I know more than anyone else, I think it won't work but I would be happy to have another helping of crow otherwise....extremely happy.

Maybe blue berry sauce this time ......

 

[TruCard]

MB said about the HC search that he wasn't going to focus strictly on what side of the ball the best candidate would come from---that what he was looking for was a coach who embodies three things: leadership, holding people accountable and performance.

It is clear that he is focused on the offensive side of the ball---which is fine---if he makes that clear, especially to Ray Horton, whom he has left twisting and writhing in the wind.

But even worse---doesn't it seem readily apparent that Ray Horton fits the criteria to a tee:

Leadership?

How about motivating a once hapless and pathetic defense to play harder than it ever has despite a dispiriting and demoralizing 1-6 start---? That's when players usually throw in the towel, especially in Arizona.

How about creating an identity on defense that the Cardinal haven't seen in ages---certainly not one this aggressive, this energetic and this creative.

Holding People Accountable?

Think it was easy for Horton to stand up to revered Cardinal veterans such as Adrian Wilson and Darnell Dockett?

How about the job Horton has done with Kerry Rhodes whom Horton held to far higher standards than the previous defensive coaches?

How about the standards Horton has set for Calais Campbell and Daryl Washington? Patrick Peterson? We are looking at 3 absolute stars in the making.

Performance?

Stifling the likes of Tom Brady and Matt Ryan---both at their own home stadiums???

Some people say, yeah, but what about the 58-0 Seattle disgrace?

To me that one was a reaction to CKW's quitting on the team and the defense in NYC---and all the commotion and excessive penalties over Darnell Dockett's refusal to "lay down."

This became even more clearer to me the next week when Dockett went to Horton and said we are ready to get after the Lions---and boy oh boy were they---they once again stifled a very good QB in Matthew Stafford and basically won the game all on their own.

Has a Cardinal defense ever been more aggressive or creative---OR FUN TO WATCH?

Ray Horton is by far the most special thing that has happened to the Cardinals since Kurt Warner.

Ray Horton deserves the HC job---no one deserves it more, or fits MB's own HC criteria better...we have witnessed all of it first hand---Horton has accomplished everything with OUR own players who value and trust him and even identify with him---and best of all, they play their tails off for him with energy and an exhilarating sense of excitement.

I like Bevell and Arians---but---I don't see either one of them motivating the Cardinals out from the cellar of the NFC West the way Ray Horton can.

I couldn't have said it any better.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Again a baseless rumor that was debunked by Arians agent yesterday.

I'm guessing your wife doesn't let you do the grocery shopping since it would take you an hour to get past all of the tabloid magazines in the checkout asile. Yes you can take the tin hat off...

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...ad-Coach/2ac9daf7-9cb8-4507-986f-386815765ae9

The next step will be building his coaching staff. Reports Thursday night were that the Cardinals would move on from defensive coordinator Ray Horton. In his press conference earlier Thursday, Arians said it was “too early” to talk about staff. Horton, who is under contract another season and would have to be released from that, reportedly is upset he did not get the head coaching job.
If Horton is replaced – reports have Todd Bowles, who actually interviewed for the Cards’ head coaching job in 2007, being that person – Arians will likely have more jobs to fill. Right now, Horton and the entire defensive staff from 2012 remain in place. Bowles is also under contract, in Philadelphia, where the Eagles too have a new head coach in Chip Kelly.



Better go tell Urban to take that "base less rumor" off the official Arizona Cardinals sight.

Don't forget to make snide comment about tabloids and tin hats.

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Ok, now that I am done acting like I am 5.

I will also say, thank you to you and the rest of the mods.....ridiculously crazy three days. Too much information.

Oh, and by the way I in fact don't the shopping cause I come back with too much beer and cheese whiz. And maybe a paper about how giant bats are stealing our brains for research on Uranus.....LOL uranus.

Good night.


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Edit:

Well he is going back on what he said already: http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/01/17/the-night-arians-was-named-coach/

Yet, SI.com says, it is all but over: http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/18/ray-horton-cardinals-bruce-arians-angry-mad-upset/?sct=uk_t2_a5

One of us is going to be wrong in this immature exchange, and the other is going to have to give the other their toy fire truck.......hope it is not me, mine has flashing lts.