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[gmabel830]

I would rather have their 2020 first rounder than #17 this test year


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[BW52]

what do u expect from urban?
he doesnt give any insight since he started covering the cards, is a good man but his work essentially is retweet other tweets

So you choose to believe some jackleg spouting off instead of someone who does cover the team on a regular basis?The BS tearing down of Rosen reeks of desperation by people slobbering over wanting MURRAY for the Cards.

 

[GatorAZ]

I would rather have their 2020 first rounder than #17 this test year.

No doubt but that pick is probably untouchable given how bad they’ll be. They still have 9 picks in the first 5 rounds so I can see Keim wanting a 1-3-5 out of principle of the original deal. It would probably be a 1 and 5 this year and 3 next year.

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[juza76]

And saying he is a fit at this time I’d proposterous as well imo.

All I know is that Rosen has never produced (college/NFL) even remotely close to any of those top tier QBs in the Air Raid offense...never!

No, I haven’t soured on Rosen but I do feel Murray could maximize K2’s offense more than Rosen. My opinion

to jump to a conclusion
there is a scheme where rosen was any good?

 

[NJCardFan]

If we're being honest, the Seahawks won a title with Wilson at QB because of their defense because Wilson had a rather pedestrian game(18 of 25 for 206 yards and 2 td). But that said, 1 running qb winning a SB out of 53 isn't going to sell me on mobile qb's.


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[GuernseyCard]

I think it is fair to say the game is changing but hasn't fully changed yet. Murray represents what the game is moving towards while Rosen represents where the game had been.

I am not saying draft Murray simply what I believe is happening with the NFL game. As long as it isn't Bosa.

Edit to add: Hiring of KK speaks to where the league is going

Right. That's what was said when Philly spent a ton on a super innovative College Coach. And, given that KK says that Rosen can run his 'O', he by extension represents what was and could be.

 

[GuernseyCard]

what do u expect from urban?
he doesnt give any insight since he started covering the cards, is a good man but his work essentially is retweet other tweets

I expect that he's close enough to the situation to report the issue accurately.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So you choose to believe some jackleg spouting off instead of someone who does cover the team on a regular basis?The BS tearing down of Rosen reeks of desperation by people slobbering over wanting MURRAY for the Cards.

BS tearing down? Rosen was awful last year. Outside if a smattering of good throws, Rosen didnt look good at all.

The primary argument is that Rosen can fix a lot of the poor technique and poor decisonmaking. It's a projection that Rosen will ever be a good NFL starter.

But to question Rosen isnt BS. Its rooted in fact.

 

[Krangodnzr]

If we're being honest, the Seahawks won a title with Wilson at QB because of their defense because Wilson had a rather pedestrian game(18 of 25 for 206 yards and 2 td). But that said, 1 running qb winning a SB out of 53 isn't going to sell me on mobile qb's.

Murray isn't a running QB.

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[BW52]

BS tearing down? Rosen was awful last year. Outside if a smattering of good throws, Rosen didnt look good at all.

The primary argument is that Rosen can fix a lot of the poor technique and poor decisonmaking. It's a projection that Rosen will ever be a good NFL starter.

But to question Rosen isnt BS. Its rooted in fact.

Projection by who.Projection is the key word.Projection is what you Murray fans are hoping for.Nobody knows how Rosen could do with better coaching and improved OLINE and WRS.Nothing is written in stone that Rosen will be better or worse.You don`t know that Murray will come in a succeed or fall flat on his face.Projection again.My projection is that Murray flops as bad as Andre Ware...that's my PROJECTION...is that written in stone? You seem to think the projection of Rosen is fact.I say nonsense.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Projection by who.Projection is the key word.Projection is what you Murray fans are hoping for.Nobody knows how Rosen could do with better coaching and improved OLINE and WRS.Nothing is written in stone that Rosen will be better or worse.You don`t know that Murray will come in a succeed or fall flat on his face.Projection again.My projection is that Murray flops as bad as Andre Ware...that's my PROJECTION...is that written in stone? You seem to think the projection of Rosen is fact.I say nonsense.

Ile second that

 

[BW52]

How do you know? This is the NFL...Murrays not going to have 10 second to throw and his WRs won`t have 10 yards gaps between the DBs and he will have real talent chasing him every play to nail his Heisman winning self.You will say
he is a Pocket QB with Mobility" and I guess all those rushing yards just happened by accident ?After reading what CBus quoted the other day about Murray...….that just makes me hope even more he is not the pick.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I've pretty much read all the threads on Rosen/Murray.

Draft Murray
Don't draft Murray
Trade Rosen
Don't trade Rosen
Draft Murray, keep Rosen

I can't pick a lane.

Thanks for nuttin' guys!!

 

[cardpa]

An interesting read about Rosen and the Patriots

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/patriots-cardinals-trade-josh-rosen-rumors

 

[BW52]

I've pretty much read all the threads on Rosen/Murray.

Draft Murray
Don't draft Murray
Trade Rosen
Don't trade Rosen
Draft Murray, keep Rosen

I can't pick a lane.

Thanks for nuttin' guys!!

You have been here long enough to know this is standard procedure.
This will continue till the actual pick or trade.

 

[Buckybird]

How do you know? This is the NFL...Murrays not going to have 10 second to throw and his WRs won`t have 10 yards gaps between the DBs

Lmao

Exaggerate much? Good Lord

 

[BW52]

Lmao

Exaggerate much? Good Lord

LMAO at your Murray homerism.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

So you choose to believe some jackleg spouting off instead of someone who does cover the team on a regular basis?The BS tearing down of Rosen reeks of desperation by people slobbering over wanting MURRAY for the Cards.

BW52, if you say that Rosen didn't really get a fair chance last year, I agree with you man.

But fair or not, last year he didn't come across like our QBOTF. He just didn't, and that's what's driving this entire debate and issue.

Add to that, a potential (potential I say BW52) franchise-elevating QB will be sitting there at #1, just like a big slice of cake (GoT reference). Those two things put together make Murray too tempting to resist (for most).

If Rosen had just played at say, a Sam Darnold level, Murray would be a moot point for everybody except me, and even I wouldn't be foolish enough to drive the Murray bandwagon out on the city streets (so to speak).

Again, life isn't always fair. You know that by now sir. But holy moly BW52, even with all the bad stuff going on, we needed to see a little more out of JR to convince us that he's our long term answer. Unfortunately for him and his supporters, (again, I'll stipulate that it's probably not completely fair), he wasn't able to generate that impression.

Maybe he'll be great someday. Maybe he'll even be great for us. That would be cool with me. Who knows how things are going to work out?

But please understand the above is a big part of the Murray debate.

 

[Heucrazy]

What blows my mind is the same people who say JR is trash and we should draft Murray also think we should get a 1st round pick for JR because he’s such a good prospect.

 

[BW52]

BW52, if you say that Rosen didn't really get a fair chance last year, I agree with you man.

But fair or not, last year he didn't come across like our QBOTF. He just didn't, and that's what's driving this entire debate and issue.

Add to that, a potential (potential I say say BW52) franchise-elevating QB will be sitting there at #1, just like a big slice of cake (GoT reference). Those two things put together make Murray too tempting to resist (for most).

If Rosen had just played at say, a Sam Darnold level, Murray would be a moot point for everybody except me, and even I wouldn't be foolish enough to drive the Murray bandwagon out on the city streets (so to speak).

Again, life isn't always fair. You know that by now sir. But holy moly BW52, even with all the bad stuff going on, we needed to see a little more out of JR to convince us that he's our long term answer. Unfortunately for him and his supporters, (again, I'll stipulate that it's probably not completely fair), he wasn't able to generate that impression.

Maybe he'll be great someday. Maybe he'll even be great for us. That would be cool with me. Who knows how things are going to work out?

But please understand the above is a big part of the Murray debate.

CW-you said it "potential " franchise elevating" QB .POTENTIAL.Josh Rosen has potential and one years experience in the most brutal conditions a QB is likely to see and he survived and flashed his skills several times.You say you need to see a little more from Rosen to see if he is QBOF.That's fine...when do you want to see that? How are you going to see that if he gets traded before even working with KK and staff?
IMHO there is no doubt if Murray had been in Rosens shoes last season he would have had
similar results or worse.After all this is the NFL not the Big 12.
IMHO drafting Murray and trading Rosen when there are several top notch defensive talents available is a risk that is foolish when you already have a 1st rd QB talent on the team and just hired a HC who is supposed to be a QB guru.

 

[MrYeahBut]

You have been here long enough to know this is standard procedure.
This will continue till the actual pick or trade.

I see you joined the board 6 days before I did so maybe I missed something...

 

[GuernseyCard]

BS tearing down? Rosen was awful last year. Outside if a smattering of good throws, Rosen didnt look good at all.

The primary argument is that Rosen can fix a lot of the poor technique and poor decisonmaking. It's a projection that Rosen will ever be a good NFL starter.

But to question Rosen isnt BS. Its rooted in fact.

And saying that your boy was surrounded by superior talent in every game last season save one is also rooted in fact.

Remind us what happened in that outlier game?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Projection by who.Projection is the key word.Projection is what you Murray fans are hoping for.Nobody knows how Rosen could do with better coaching and improved OLINE and WRS.Nothing is written in stone that Rosen will be better or worse.You don`t know that Murray will come in a succeed or fall flat on his face.Projection again.My projection is that Murray flops as bad as Andre Ware...that's my PROJECTION...is that written in stone? You seem to think the projection of Rosen is fact.I say nonsense.

When it comes to Rosen, we have facts. They are as pointed out in the ringer acticle above

Any argument against dealing for Rosen at a higher price stems from just how terribly he played last season. His 3.53 adjusted net yards per attempt was the 10th-lowest mark this century for a QB with at least 250 pass attempts. The names below him on that list include Andrew Walter, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, and David Carr. It’s not pretty.

If Rosen wasn't a Cardinal, none of us would think he is good.

 

[iLLmatiC]

When it comes to Rosen, we have facts. They are as pointed out in the ringer acticle above



If Rosen wasn't a Cardinal, none of us would think he is good.

Way to look at last year objectively. If we are looking at David Johnson's numbers last year everyone would think he was mediocre considering he didn't even break the 1000 yard mark.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And before we hear the usual excuses, that is in a 100 years of NFL play.

The only guy on that list who has done anything is Stafford. Everyone else is trash