The lets get rid of Marcus Banks thread

[HooverDam]

There have obviously been about a trillion trade threads already and there will certainly be a bunch more all year, but I hope this one can be a bit more reasonable. D'Antoni is coach/GM and clearly doesnt want to blow up the core (which you have to think includes Marion). One guy everyone knows that doesn't fit D'Antoni's system, and is overpaid, is Marcus Banks. The Suns HAVE to find a way to deal him, this should be their #1 priority after scouting players in the draft in my opinion.

So lets look at some options. Please don't include Marion in this, this is a "hey other team, please take Marcus Banks off our hands" thread, not a "Marion for KG and Duncan in a 3 team deal!" thread, there are plenty of other opportunities for that.

Banks to Atlanta:
Atlanta needs a point guard, if they want to run a half court offense with a somewhat slower tempo than the Suns, Banks could be a good option for them. He's arguably better (or at least healthier) than their combo of Speedy Claxton, Tyron Lue, Royal Ivey and Anthony Johnson.

A banks for Anthony Johnson trade works according to RealGM. Though I'm not sure Johnson would fit the Suns system either, he is a veteran, and he's in his last year of his deal, so its an expiring contract. Phoenix would most likely have to throw in Clevelands pick to make Atlanta take on Banks.

Banks to Orlando
This one is a bit too ridiculous, but Banks for Arroyo works salary wise. But I don't know why Orlanda would do that unless the Suns included both of their late first round picks to do the deal. Arroyo is an expiring contract, so the Suns could either just let him go and save the cash after the season, or resign him if he doesn't completely stink in their system.

I dunno, there aren't many teams that will probably be willing to take Banks' stupid contract, especially since he's still a project. The Suns will probably have to take back an equally silly contract, but hope the player fits their system better than Banks. Or if the Suns can part with their draft picks (history certainly tells us they love doing that) maybe they can ship him.

Any other ideas? I don't really think either of my suggestions are terribly realistic, but Banks is going to be tough to move.

 

[slinslin]

Just keep him and work him into the rotation. He is cheap and all those other backup PGs aren't any better either.

Just accept he is no Steve Nash and move on, have the ball run through Amare at all times when Nash is on the bench.

 

[dodie53]

can the lakers have a use for banks?
will he fit in the triangle?

 

[HooverDam]

can the lakers have a use for banks?
will he fit in the triangle?

Jackson seems to do a good job using below average point guards, because the triangle isn't an offense that really depends on great PG play (which is why Farmar and Parker can survive in it). But Farmar is probably their guy now. I also doubt they'd want to help the Suns in any way and I don't really think they have any players that match up w/ Banks' salaries.

 

[cly2tw]

Banks problem is coaches problem. Actually, if Banks would be given time to defend and be out there with a team that would hold the score even, we could give him 10 min to save Nash's energy and have him to win the game for us in 35 min court time. Only then we would have to abandon the 48 min trackmeet, run-them-out-of-court type of offense.

The way I look it, we have to diversify our styles a little thus naturally abandon the track meet approach. Then, Banks is no worse than Vaughn or Hunter as backup PG.

 

[Hugh D'Man]

amen Cly....even though his contract is lengthy, outside of rookies, he is paid what many back up PGs make. The guy deserved more playing time...but we have a coach who is infatuated with W's and the small picture.

 

[elindholm]

My guess is that Banks and one of the late first-rounders will be shipped to a team with cap space for nothing.

If he didn't play in Game 5, when the Suns desperately needed him and had nothing to lose by giving him a shot, he's gone.

 

[dodie53]

if diaw becomes the point forward that he is next season
or LB improves his PG skills,
banks may still get a shot playing for phoenix..

 

[NastyOne]

D'Antoni's hard head will most likely give up one of our first rounders to move Banks, cause thats exactly what morons do.

Banks was never given a legit shot to be our #1 backup PG.

DA expects him to be a Nash clone and thats not gonna happen.

I guess he doesnt realize backups are just that for a reason and you cant expect them to perform like your allstar starters.

We'll probably go after another FA pointguard this offseason and us fans will be making threads about how to get rid of that guy too in 08'.

The problem isnt Banks, its the headcoach.

Spurs use crap like Vaughn and the Mavs have Buckner, yet Banks is way more talented than both and he cant sniff any minutes because we have a jackass for a coach.

 

[elindholm]

D'Antoni's hard head will most likely give up one of our first rounders to move Banks, cause thats exactly what morons do.

Banks was never given a legit shot to be our #1 backup PG.

DA expects him to be a Nash clone and thats not gonna happen.

I guess he doesnt realize backups are just that for a reason and you cant expect them to perform like your allstar starters.

We'll probably go after another FA pointguard this offseason and us fans will be making threads about how to get rid of that guy too in 08'.

Well, for what it's worth, D'Antoni and the Suns originally wanted John Salmons instead of Banks, and he probably would have worked out very well. They made a panic move when Salmons spurned them, probably the result of D'Antoni wearing too many hats and not having the time to think everything through carefully.

 

[NastyOne]

Well, for what it's worth, D'Antoni and the Suns originally wanted John Salmons instead of Banks, and he probably would have worked out very well. They made a panic move when Salmons spurned them, probably the result of D'Antoni wearing too many hats and not having the time to think everything through carefully.

D'Antoni being Coach/GM is another thing i have a huge problem with.

It never works in sports cause boths jobs are to strenuous to be done by one person.

Not to mention its to much power for one man.

If D'Antoni decides he doesnt like Amare in the locker room then he trades him with permission from a guy like Sarver that isnt a basketball mind.

When you have an actual GM its gonna take alot from a coach to convince him to pull the trigger on such a move.

IMO, The first priority this offseason is to find a real GM and strip the job from DA.

 

[Folster]

D'Antoni being Coach/GM is another thing i have a huge problem with.

It never works in sports cause boths jobs are to strenuous to be done by one person.

Not to mention its to much power for one man.

If D'Antoni decides he doesnt like Amare in the locker room then he trades him with permission from a guy like Sarver that isnt a basketball mind.

When you have an actual GM its gonna take alot from a coach to convince him to pull the trigger on such a move.

IMO, The first priority this offseason is to find a real GM and strip the job from DA.

Gregg Popovich seems to be handling it just fine.

 

[NastyOne]

Gregg Popovich seems to be handling it just fine.

One exception to the rule, big whoop.

And atleast Popovich has proven something in this league and showed that he has a great basketball mind and deserves that kind of power.

D'Antoni went from being an assistant a few years ago to already being Coach/GM without even leading this team to the damn finals , much less winning the entire thing like Popovich has done three times already.

 

[cly2tw]

Pop started as GM of Spurs and ousted Hill(?) with some kind of plot to become head coach himself.

Nash supposedly makes everyone around him "better". In reality, he makes the job "easier" for everybody around him with his unique ability to stir up the defense of about 90% of the time. Nobody can emulate that. With the job easier, the incentive and conditions needed to improve one's own game diminishes. So, Banks problem is ultimately the Nash problem, which is IMO the main reason we couldn't beat the Spurs, and potentially the Pistons too, in the playoffs.

It's no wonder that both JoeJ and Dirk improve their own game after separation from Nash.

Nash, it's a dilemma, a temptation, addictive drug. We gotta learn how to quit him, lest we will end up with the Broke mountain tragedy with our franchise.

 

[The Commish]

D'Antoni's hard head will most likely give up one of our first rounders to move Banks, cause thats exactly what morons do.

Banks was never given a legit shot to be our #1 backup PG.

DA expects him to be a Nash clone and thats not gonna happen.

I guess he doesnt realize backups are just that for a reason and you cant expect them to perform like your allstar starters.

We'll probably go after another FA pointguard this offseason and us fans will be making threads about how to get rid of that guy too in 08'.

The problem isnt Banks, its the headcoach.

Spurs use crap like Vaughn and the Mavs have Buckner, yet Banks is way more talented than both and he cant sniff any minutes because we have a jackass for a coach.

I agree that D'Antoni should use the bench guys more, but Banks did nothing to warrant playing time. He was PATHETIC.

 

[slinslin]

The problem with getting rid off Banks is that you all think we magically can get a PG that is much better. Reality is we won't. Most backup PGs aren't any better than Banks and make more money.
The only exception MAY be Luke Ridnour but he is no Steve Nash either.

Whoever we would get to replace Banks probably wouldn't end up playing either unless D'Antoni changes his philosophy and then we might be stuck with a worse contract than Banks who is at least cheap for a backup PG.

 

[cly2tw]

I agree that D'Antoni should use the bench guys more, but Banks did nothing to warrant playing time. He was PATHETIC.

He did nothing because coach wanted to play the game in certain way. It's an egg-hen question. As slinslin pointed out, by changing the "philosophy", both problems of playing the bench more and getting Banks useful get solved simultaneously.

 

[HooverDam]

The problem with getting rid off Banks is that you all think we magically can get a PG that is much better. Reality is we won't. Most backup PGs aren't any better than Banks and make more money.
The only exception MAY be Luke Ridnour but he is no Steve Nash either.

Whoever we would get to replace Banks probably wouldn't end up playing either unless D'Antoni changes his philosophy and then we might be stuck with a worse contract than Banks who is at least cheap for a backup PG.

Getting rid of Banks and looking for another back up point is about a trillion times more of a realistic proposal than the Suns going after KG, so please don't be saying its not realistic. The Suns don't need to find a guy who's 'better' than Banks, but one that rather fits their system better. Banks is a half court kind of guy, thats not what the Suns need. They need someone who can run a pick and pop/roll w/ Diaw as part of the 2nd team, I think a guy like Ridnour could be a good fit, but I don't see him going anywhere.

If the Suns could unload Banks/one of the late first round picks for an expiring contract (preferable either a big or another 3 point shooter, depending on what they do w/ Atl's pick) and then get a PG (Brooks, Pruitt, Brown) with their own pick, even if its a bit of a reach, I'd be very happy.