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But what do I know. They still haven’t closed any of those short positions. The hole is just getting deeper and deeper.

The part at the end with Cramer is comedy gold. He’s referring to his interview with him years ago.

It’s a shell game at this point.
 

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Gary Gensler is a cuck.
 

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But what do I know. They still haven’t closed any of those short positions. The hole is just getting deeper and deeper.

The part at the end with Cramer is comedy gold. He’s referring to his interview with him years ago.

It’s a shell game at this point.
If you're convinced the market is a rigged carnival game, then the correct action would be to not play the game. I think the market can be irrational or even manipulated in the short term, but true valuations are always fleshed out in the long run and at times that process can be painful. This is why the overwhelming majority of my investments are diversified in low cost indexed ETFs in which I have a long time horizon. That has proven over time to be a winning strategy to steadily build wealth.

Any time, I have tried to play the short term game in the market, I've been burned. That's why long term value investing appeals to me for a small percentage of my investable assets. I can research and estimate the fair value of a company that I like and compare it to how the market is valuing it. In some cases I think the market is mispricing these companies for a myriad of different reasons. If the company is solid with projected growth of revenue and cash flows, but the market just happens to prefer high flying growth companies with no earnings at the moment, then I can buy the company for what I see as a discount.

I know it's not as sexy as meme stocks and crypto, but those are the carnival games in my opinion, and the carnival game operators are the hedge fund managers not the retail investors on WSB.
 
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Without getting too political, I think this commodity spike resulting from the sanctions on Russia has exposed some of the sleight of hand that western countries were doing with green policy. Letting Russia and China do the dirty work of drilling and mining may improve a specific country's carbon footprint and environmental numbers, but it doesn't change the impact of the globe when you are just exporting those activities to Russia and China and then importing the byproducts.

And hopefully this finally prompts our leaders to embrace nuclear energy again which is the cleanest, most powerful, and most reliable energy source we have.
 

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Without getting too political, I think this commodity spike resulting from the sanctions on Russia has exposed some of the sleight of hand that western countries were doing with green policy. Letting Russia and China do the dirty work of drilling and mining may improve a specific country's carbon footprint and environmental numbers, but it doesn't change the impact of the globe when you are just exporting those activities to Russia and China and then importing the byproducts.

And hopefully this finally prompts our leaders to embrace nuclear energy again which is the cleanest, most powerful, and most reliable energy source we have.
#petrodollarstrength

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Crazy to look at a chart of Boeing and see we could be down in the 100-140 range in no time.. Any clues on the condition of our economy...look no further. IMO.
 
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Crazy to look at a chart of Boeing and see we could be down in the 100-140 range in no time.. Any clues on the condition of our economy...look no further. IMO.
Pending Commodities supercycle?

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I definitely still like physical gold and silver. They are two commodities that will still be wise to hold even if we hit a hyper deflationary event. They will suffer from short term asset flushes during that time. But overall, I would use them as insurance against an eventual failing currency...when (and if) that time comes. I'm going to be looking to build my position at some point...I just hope gold isn't 10k an ounce by that time....lol
 
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I definitely still like physical gold and silver. They are two commodities that will still be wise to hold even if we hit a hyper deflationary event. They will suffer from short term asset flushes during that time. But overall, I would use them as insurance against an eventual failing currency...when (and if) that time comes. I'm going to be looking to build my position at some point...I just hope gold isn't 10k an ounce by that time....lol

When I first looked at that chart I thought wow commodities are going to rip, but then I realized stocks could just fall considerably instead. But the truth could be a bit of both.
 

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When I first looked at that chart I thought wow commodities are going to rip, but then I realized stocks could just fall considerably instead. But the truth could be a bit of both.
Yeah. It's a relative strength chart. They are great for finding sentiment and divergences typically give you early signs and signals of potential turns on an absolute basis in those instruments. Unfortunately right now utilities and the dollar are showing the strongest trends on a relative basis to equities. Commodities surely ripped though from that bottom in your chart on an updated time frame.
 

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A good piece on how the dollar, QE, and yields are correlated and what it means moving forward with any form of contraction/tightening from the Fed.

 
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Yeah. It's a relative strength chart. They are great for finding sentiment and divergences typically give you early signs and signals of potential turns on an absolute basis in those instruments. Unfortunately right now utilities and the dollar are showing the strongest trends on a relative basis to equities. Commodities surely ripped though from that bottom in your chart on an updated time frame.

I just calculated the ratio and see that as of today it's only at 1.7. Commodities have ripped recently but the S&P is really only down 10% from its ATH and it's been ripping for more than a decade especially the last 2 years. Still a lot of room to run.
 
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I definitely still like physical gold and silver. They are two commodities that will still be wise to hold even if we hit a hyper deflationary event. They will suffer from short term asset flushes during that time. But overall, I would use them as insurance against an eventual failing currency...when (and if) that time comes. I'm going to be looking to build my position at some point...I just hope gold isn't 10k an ounce by that time....lol
I only have exposure to gold and silver via ETF, but after seeing what has happened to Russia and to a lesser extent Canadian protesters, I see value in having a small stash of gold coins that are completely outside of our current monetary system that I could easily redeem at a local coin shop or jeweler for spot price.

Like you, I fear we could see a run up in the price of precious metals, but I am fighting the FOMO and waiting for a less fervent time. Gold will usually give you a few chances if you are patient.
 

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I just calculated the ratio and see that as of today it's only at 1.7. Commodities have ripped recently but the S&P is really only down 10% from its ATH and it's been ripping for more than a decade especially the last 2 years. Still a lot of room to run.
There are definitely some right now that are firmly in the camp of being in a cyclical bear right now within a secular bull....which is even hard to argue according to the charts. But of course, there are always secular turns like the 70s or 2000 to 2008 that see times of sideways action or secular bear markets. I'm just in the camp that we might have entered one of those periods or worse..with cyclical bull markets along the way. Regardless of direction, it's going to be a highly volatile and tough market to navigate for some time. IMO.
 
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There are definitely some right now that are firmly in the camp of being in a cyclical bear right now within a secular bull....which is even hard to argue according to the charts. But of course, there are always secular turns like the 70s or 2000 to 2008 that see times of sideways action or secular bear markets. I'm just in the camp that we might have entered one of those periods or worse..with cyclical bull markets along the way. Regardless of direction, it's going to be a highly volatile and tough market to navigate for some time. IMO.
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Well, I trade. So no buy and hold for me anymore really outside of my 401k which was in the long bond. Still intermediate term bullish there though....along with the dollar.

I quit my job at the beginning of the year to do full time trading. I developed my own strategy after trial and error over the years and felt comfortable enough to get it going this year. It's a weekly strategy that only needs rebalancing once a week at the end of a full week on Friday. All 11 sector ETFs are rebalanced according to my signals. This week I am currently hedged. 6 short, 5 long. I also have a decent position in a leveraged short index product since about November of last year.
 

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Snagged a snapshot of this one from one of my YT guys... hadn't seen it before now. Just another thing to be aware of..

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Snagged a snapshot of this one from one of my YT guys... hadn't seen it before now. Just another thing to be aware of..

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What's the bottom chart?
 

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What's the bottom chart?
The bottom of the chart is a 12 month ROC (rate of change/momentum) indicator that is measuring the monthly performance of WTIC. Its basically measuring the moves of oil when we have extremely violent momentum to the upside or downside and is pointing to correlation with crashes when it reaches the extremes in the indicator. (Blue arrows)
 
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I only have exposure to gold and silver via ETF, but after seeing what has happened to Russia and to a lesser extent Canadian protesters, I see value in having a small stash of gold coins that are completely outside of our current monetary system that I could easily redeem at a local coin shop or jeweler for spot price.

Like you, I fear we could see a run up in the price of precious metals, but I am fighting the FOMO and waiting for a less fervent time. Gold will usually give you a few chances if you are patient.
Any recommendations on the best way to buy physical gold? I've never done it before but have been thinking that it might be a good idea due to world events too.
 
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Any recommendations on the best way to buy physical gold? I've never done it before but have been thinking that it might be a good idea due to world events too.

I've been researching and it seems the best way is by buying government minted coins as they are easily identified, popular, and more difficult to counterfeit. The most popular gold coins in the US are Gold Eagles, Buffaloes, and Canadian Maples. The premiums on the maples are a little lower.

You have to pay a premium over the spot price but you'll get a little of the premium back when you sell plus any appreciation/depreciation.

I talked to a local dealer today actually and he said he will pay $30 over spot and sell for $100 over spot for the full 1 oz coin. You pay a lower premium percentage for a full 1oz coin compared to fractional amounts. Seems in line with what I saw online too.

This YT channel has a lot of good information.

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Crazy to look at a chart of Boeing and see we could be down in the 100-140 range in no time.. Any clues on the condition of our economy...look no further. IMO.
Boeing is a mess lately too. Recently had a big failure with costs of space equipment to Nasa.
 

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I've been researching and it seems the best way is by buying government minted coins as they are easily identified, popular, and more difficult to counterfeit. The most popular gold coins in the US are Gold Eagles, Buffaloes, and Canadian Maples. The premiums on the maples are a little lower.

You have to pay a premium over the spot price but you'll get a little of the premium back when you sell plus any appreciation/depreciation.

I talked to a local dealer today actually and he said he will pay $30 over spot and sell for $100 over spot for the full 1 oz coin. You pay a lower premium percentage for a full 1oz coin compared to fractional amounts. Seems in line with what I saw online too.

This YT channel has a lot of good information.

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I also like ITM trading on YT. They are a physical gold and silver dealer. Been in biz since the 90s I believe. Lynette is their lead market strategist and she is a little too gold bug for me. But her overall strategy is pretty sound if you are more into the 'metals being real money' boat IMO.
 
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