the NBA where getting screwed on the road happens

[D-Dogg]

Meanwhile, unbiased NBA TV announcers for the Lakers-Warriors game tonight are FLIPPING OUT on horrible calls at the end of the game, which is also in overtime. Once again, a horrid call changes the game. Call went to the visiting Lakers and sealed the game for them. The lakers didnt win the game, they were given the game by the refs..

Those weren't NBA TV announcers. They were the Warriors announcers. NBA TV uses the home announcing team. They were flipping out because they are ultra-homers.

 

[pokerface]

Arwillan if you can't understand the people being pissed off after this ridiculous game then not sure what to tell you, maybe take the night off. People have every right to complain after that BS.

Maybe the fans that are mad should take the night off....They obviously cant compose themselves and be civil.

 

[passenger]

Yeah that call on Ellis where Fisher just brought him down with him was bs just let the players play to decide the game, I feel bad for warrior fans tonight they should have atleast had a chance to tie the game but go figure with todays refs

i agree with the ref's not being able to see every detail but the referees don't have right to make this type of critical mistakes that can/did cost a game.1 game can change the play off team in the West.

 

[Bufalay]

Those weren't NBA TV announcers. They were the Warriors announcers. NBA TV uses the home announcing team. They were flipping out because they are ultra-homers.

No. Those guys are the most unbiased announcers that I've heard this year. I believe that you were agreeing with me on this point in a thread a few weeks ago.

 

[D-Dogg]

No. Those guys are the most unbiased announcers that I've heard this year. I believe that you were agreeing with me on this point in a thread a few weeks ago.

Possibly, but they sure weren't very unbiased in this game. Everything was the greatest steal ever, or this or that. Total hyperbole on everything. Then they just lost their minds on the play at the end.

My wife and I both were shaking our heads at how ridiculous some of the stuff they were saying was.

But you are right in that early this year I liked the call of their game (a game they won, btw) and when this game started I recognized them. They were homer-tastic. Maybe they knew they'd be on NBA TV so they let loose.

 

[jandaman]

Look, there was some questionable calls against the Suns when they played Pistons.

But Suns fans have a real bad reputation for complaining against officiating, and I agree.

I'm a Suns fan, but don't emphasize on the officiating alone, it was bad, but every team gets screwed every now and then, last night the Suns got bad calls, but you don't complain and whinge that much about it.

How about the fact that come clutch, there was no one to stop Billups? or how about Wallace's HUGE block on Stoudemire?

The bad calls made a factor but so did the lack of defense, maybe because Bell had 5 fouls most of the 4th, I thought Giricek should out there hassling with Billups he was doing a good job earlier.

But every other team fans, the just see Suns fans always pointing out the refs, yes they're bad... but every team gets bad nights with the refs... EVERY TEAM.

 

[Darth Llama]

Look, there was some questionable calls against the Suns when they played Pistons.

But Suns fans have a real bad reputation for complaining against officiating, and I agree.

I'm a Suns fan, but don't emphasize on the officiating alone, it was bad, but every team gets screwed every now and then, last night the Suns got bad calls, but you don't complain and whinge that much about it.

How about the fact that come clutch, there was no one to stop Billups? or how about Wallace's HUGE block on Stoudemire?

The bad calls made a factor but so did the lack of defense, maybe because Bell had 5 fouls most of the 4th, I thought Giricek should out there hassling with Billups he was doing a good job earlier.

But every other team fans, the just see Suns fans always pointing out the refs, yes they're bad... but every team gets bad nights with the refs... EVERY TEAM.

Well said!

 

[TucsonDevil]

yeah, NBA officiating is horrible. It has been horrible since I began watching the game as a kid. The commentary that I hear a lot, "hey rookie, quit complaining, you are not going to get that call." ??? That is a blatant admittance that 'certain' players 'get' calls. That is a joke.

Oh, well. It is what it is. Suns need to learn to rise about it. Need to make sure the game isn't close in the final minutes. They need to NEVER give up offensive rebounds under with a min to play at the end of regulation. Period.

I hate the officiating in the NBA, always have... but it is time the Suns play without excuses. They have what it takes to win a championship. They can do it.

 

[carrrnuttt]

i've never said that there is anything about the suns i don't like. it's suns fans like you who pride themselves on their whining about refs. I get it, there were some questionable calls in tonight's game. Every team thinks they always get the worst calls, and every team thinks that the other team won because of the refs. We don't need to hear morons like yourself whining about it every night. we lost, that will not change. get over it, drink a juice box and feel better.

Did you see me complaining about the officiating kemo-sabe?

As far as I am concerned, the Suns could have walked away winners from this one, bad officiating or not. I've always believed that the teams are the ones ultimately responsible for leaving themselves in a position where the refs can take over. With that being said, you STILL can't deny bad officiating in this one, regardless of how you feel the team got there. As a matter of fact, the team actually has two built-in excuses: The injury to Bell, and the fact that they're playing hours before they have been used in the past couple of months.

With THAT being said, I also feel that this is an open Suns fans forum, and Suns fans are free to feel end express themselves however they want. So quit bitching about the bitching, and stay the **** out if you can't take reading the posts.

 

[atikiN]

Watched the game last night in a bar. Like most of the time, I was one of the two Suns fans in there. At the end of it, even the people who were watching the game just because were laughing at the officiating, saying how bogus it was and feeling the Suns got screwed.

This game was taken from us, plain and simple. Pistons are a great team, and when two great teams play each other, it's going to be close. It is the responsibility of the refs to make sure their calls are fair and don't give any team the advantage. If they can't do their job properly, there should be some consequences.

Nash EARNED the charge when he stepped in front of Billups. Shaq EARNED his free throws when he forced Detroit to hack him underneath the basket. Amare EARNED his "and 1"

It's hard to comprehend how some "fans" insisting on taking this loss, and the bad calls, laying down. If you want to be pushovers, so be it, but don't criticize those of us who are willing to fight for what their team has earned. If fans, players, coaches are vocal enough for the right reasons, officials might think twice before making a shady call next time they're running on the same court as the Suns.

 

[jandaman]

Oh, the suns definitely got bad calls, I was there, probably the only Suns fan in section 215 in the Palace... even some Pistons fans know they got "good" calls for them.


But the general consensus is... Every other team fans just perceive Suns fans in general as whiners.. always blaming the refs when we get bad calls... and seems to be that most of the Suns losses has the refs mentioned as a cause... fair enough.. but you dont focus on that fact alone... you mention it, but you give kudos to the other team and you accept the fact that some nights its the Suns opponents who gets screwed around... it happens to every team. But people making threads focusing on the refs is basically too much... mention it as a factor... but also acknowledge the other team for playing well enough to beat the Suns.

Again, the Wallace block on Amare was HUGE and Billups scoring 9 points in OT is the reason the Suns lost I think.... 9 points!... heck give him a couple of baskets, the Suns would of won by 5...

Giricek should of been on him, he was doing fine... Bell had 5 fouls and was limited in his defense.... its another short sightedness in the tactics department I think...

 

[Arizona's Finest]

yep, i'm aware. as i've said before, i am not one to complain about the refs. I'm probably the only SPURS fan in the world who thought that the ruling on amare and diaw last year was well-deserved. Shaq thought so too, as he stated on inside the nba that night. Either way, i'll be sure not to go against anything i've said by complaining during this year's postseason.

FTFY

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Just wanted to mention that the line was Detorit -3.5 which makes the game and the last call on Bell VERY SUSPICIOUS.

 

[WuRaider]

Just wanted to mention that the line was Detorit -3.5 which makes the game and the last call on Bell VERY SUSPICIOUS.

After the Donahgy reality, every fan has the right to bitch and moan about the refs, especially Suns fans.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Officiating has more of an effect in the NBA than any of the four major leagues. This is most apparent in this game where any one of three calls changed the outcome of the game. If the officials get one of those calls right, Suns win and we aren't complaining as much.

hmm, as much as i'm a lukewarm baseball fan, i have to disagree with you here. baseball, BY FAR, is impacted by the calls most. balls and fouls are completely subjective and differ not only umpire-to-umpire, not only inning-to-inning, but seemingly pitch-by-pitch as is often illustrated with the telestrator in baseball telecasts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He does, yes.

I'm not a huge fan of his either. I guess I just miss Chick Hearn, no one was harder on the Lakers when they played poorly then Chick. I know all color commentators do it, I'm honestly not trying to be disrespectful to the Suns fans here, but I do believe that the Suns guys do it worse then anyone else. If you listen to Eddie Johnson, the Suns haven't committed a foul since 2004.

I understand it's their job to stand up for their guys, and I respect that. I just think they take it a bit far, it borders on unprofessional. They have a job as announcers to at least try to maintain some sort of balanced integrity. They are good announcers, I would just like to see them lay off a bit, that's all.

you obviously never heard cousey or what the hell is the dude's name that was retired in boston . . . "he got raped, he got raped" my god that was just awful to listen to. the blazers guys were awful to listen to also. it's always bad to listen to homers. stu lance is just god awful.

 

[jbeecham]

hmm, as much as i'm a lukewarm baseball fan, i have to disagree with you here. baseball, BY FAR, is impacted by the calls most. balls and fouls are completely subjective and differ not only umpire-to-umpire, not only inning-to-inning, but seemingly pitch-by-pitch as is often illustrated with the telestrator in baseball telecasts.

Balls & strikes in baseball are very subjective and seem to change depending on who's pitching and who's hitting, but I've never seen an umpire decide to refuse to call balls (or strikes) for an entire game. NBA refs just choose to ignore rules or sometimes just choose to ignore them against 1 team and call them on the other.

 

[pokerface]

With THAT being said, I also feel that this is an open Suns fans forum, and Suns fans are free to feel end express themselves however they want. So quit bitching about the bitching, and stay the **** out if you can't take reading the posts.

Seems like the only one that can't take reading the posts is YOU

 

[cobbler]

you obviously never heard cousey or what the hell is the dude's name that was retired in boston . . . "he got raped, he got raped" my god that was just awful to listen to. the blazers guys were awful to listen to also. it's always bad to listen to homers. stu lance is just god awful.

Stu Lantz is most definetly a laker announcer. His is not a homer and OFTEN calls it like it is and says the lakers got away with one. He learned from Chick (the all time best) and to say he is the worst only shows the homer in YOU!

 

[carrrnuttt]

http://info.detnews.com/redesign/blogs/pistonsblog/index.cfm?CFID=19856608&CFTOKEN=57702241

Officiating v. Suns

The Phoenix Suns left the floor in a huff Monday. Mike D'Antoni was spewing expletives all the way back to the locker room. I don't blame him one bit. Had the Pistons not prevailed in overtime, they would have been the ones leaving the floor spewing expletives. The officiating was atrocious; absolutely unacceptably bad.

Joe Forte (20 years) and Michael Smith (15) are veteran officials -- but there is a reason you never see them working beyond the first couple of rounds of the playoffs. Sean Wright is in his second year, so at least he has that as an excuse. Granted, that was a tough game to call -- very physical, tightly played. But this crew had way too much of an impact on the outcome of the game.

The Suns were particularly peeved over three calls in overtime. The worst was a blocking call on Steve Nash which Chauncey Billups turned into a three-point play. It was a tough call. Billups clearly ran over Nash, who was outside the restricted circle. But it seemed Nash was still sliding under Billups when contact occured. In my opinion, the call was made to even up an equally horrendous call on the previous play. The officials gave Nash two free throws (which put the Suns ahead) when he was clearly passing the ball when he was fouled. It should have been side out. So, the refs evened it up on the other end.

After that, the Suns thought Shaquille O'Neal was fouled by Antonio McDyess on a put-back attempt (he was) and then there was a dubious foul called on Raja Bell after the Pistons had missed a shot. The Suns would have had the ball down four with 14 seconds left. Instead, McDyess got to ice the win with a free throw.

The Pistons, who have been on the wrong end of the whistle more times than they care to recount, were actually very polite (politically correct) after the game. Flip Saunders first comment was, "They were consistent." I started to laugh, thinking he was going to add, "consistently bad." But he was serious.

"It was a heated game," Saunders said. "Both teams tried to put a lot pressure on the other team. By both teams putting pressure on, you were in a situation where they could call a foul or not on every possession. This was close to how playoff basketball is going to be and you are not going to always get those kinds of calls."

Anyway, my only point was, the game itself was almost too good for the officiating crew, and that's happening way too often. The league has done a lot (maybe too much) to monitor and improve the quality of officiating. And I have used this space to praise officials who I feel understand how to ref big games (Ron Garretson, Joe Crawford, Dick Bavetta, Jim Clark, Dan Crawford, Mike Callahan, Bill Spooner, Steve Javie, Eddie F. Rush, Tony Brothers, Jim Capers). But there are too many like Forte, Marc Davis (the absolute worst, in my humble opinion), Bill Kennedy, Leon Wood, Jack Nies, etc., who don't get it and seem to show up way too often on the Pistons' schedule.

 

[pokerface]

http://info.detnews.com/redesign/blogs/pistonsblog/index.cfm?CFID=19856608&CFTOKEN=57702241

*YAWN*

 

[CaptainInsano]

That article pretty much summed it up, only part I vehemently disgree with is him putting Eddie F Rush in there as a ref who knows what he is doing. More like the complete opposite since Eddie basically entirely throws games.

 

[pokerface]

That article pretty much summed it up, only part I vehemently disgree with is him putting Eddie F Rush in there as a ref who knows what he is doing. More like the complete opposite since Eddie basically entirely throws games.

huh?

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Thy enemy hath validated mine quarrel.

 

[jbeecham]

The title of this thread should be changed to "The NBA where getting screwed by the refs happens" because it doesn't matter if your on the road or at home. Or " The NBA where wrestling is real happens"