The NFL is NOT ready for Kliff Kingsbury's Air Raid, no matter who the quarterback is

[moklerman]

If he doesn't feet 1st slide, he's not protected. Once they break the pocket they are considered runners, not QBs...also, in the open field, any runner can give himself up and not be hit or tackled...it's not a special QB rule.

In the pocket you can't touch a QB above the shoulders, even a graze...or tackle at the legs, even a clean wrap up...and heaven forbid the QB throws the ball a half step before getting touched by a defender...it will be a penalty.

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I don't think you're being realistic if you think that QB's aren't more protected on runs than other players. The rules may not explicitly state that a QB is different but I think we all know that that's the reality.

But I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? What does a QB taking off to run have to do with the point that the league is now designed to favor the QB?

 

[Cheesebeef]

The NFL was even ready for Patrick Mahomes as the Patriots cut his sack in the AFC Championship. Even with weapons, a great QB can’t will a team to success. You have to have a respectable Defense. And Murray is showing more signs of “Little Man with Little League Father Syndrome” every day. He reminds me of Toby White. We need a Kelly Leak (Bosa or Williams)

The Patriots cut his sack? He led the team to 31 points, throwing for 300 yards, 3 TDs and 0 Interceptions and leading a last second drive to tie the game and put it into OT.

 

[moklerman]

The same guy who did the OP video has done a mock draft. I just discovered him but I like his stuff.

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[DRM08]

I respect your thoughts... but no, the rules at QB haven't changed, unless you're focused on fantasy scoring. Mahomes isn't thriving on wild runs and improv, he has everything we consider to be fundamental in a QB. Size, prototypical arm-strength, etc. He's really not THAT mobile.

He's not Michael Vick for straight line speed, but his scrambling ability in the backfield is pretty incredible. His 20 yard shuttle at the Combine was similar to Russell Wilson and Johnny Manziel. Pat's improv ability is as good as anyone I have ever seen, including Aaron Rodgers.

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[cardncubfan]

He's not Michael Vick for straight line speed, but his scrambling ability in the backfield is pretty incredible. His 20 yard shuttle at the Combine was similar to Russell Wilson and Johnny Manziel. Pat's improv ability is as good as anyone I have ever seen, including Aaron Rodgers.

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I freakin love Mahomes. Made me a semi Chiefs fan. I so wanted the Cards to draft him.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I will not drink from the Air-Raid Kool-Aid until I see how it shakes out. I am closer to Oh-NO! than Oh-YEAH! at this time.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Sorry, you're partially right, but those are still more or less pocket passers succeeding in the game. It is definitely more helpful, but there's a lot playing against the narrative.

1. Mahomes doesn't have three m's.
2. Drew Brees is one of the greatest of all time, and that is not a realistic expectation.
3. Drew Brees was felt to not be good enough to continue with his original team, leading them to invest what was essentially the #1 overall pick to replace him. The Cardinals get no style points watching a guy they drafted win a Super Bowl (and before it's brought up, Brees didn't injure his shoulder before they picked Rivers, it was after).
4. Brees didn't go until the 2nd round.
5. Mahomes almost fell out of the top 10.

Mahomes is a prototypical QB. The only reason he slid was the Air Raid, and unfortunately, our own shiny new coach not being able to make anything of it defensively.

Brees was selected in the 2nd round, but it was the 32nd pick of the draft.

 

[Solar7]

Brees was selected in the 2nd round, but it was the 32nd pick of the draft.

I'm not sure what that has to do with it?

His best years were not for the team that drafted him. That's my point.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I respect your thoughts... but no, the rules at QB haven't changed, unless you're focused on fantasy scoring. Mahomes isn't thriving on wild runs and improv, he has everything we consider to be fundamental in a QB. Size, prototypical arm-strength, etc. He's really not THAT mobile.

Playoff teams put out pocket players with height and athleticism. The Ravens are the only ones who got there with a guy predicated on his legs. Mobility is important, but none of these guys are tiny. The Texans were the closest thing to deploying a running QB that actually performed, and they got dismantled by the prototypical QB in the first round.

It's not necessarily a statue back there, but the two guys that made it to the big game were tallish guys with good instincts, and pocket presence (not to mention formidable defenses). It's still the same game. There are just some concepts like RPOs that are nouveau right now.

The Chiefs won two games last season on improv.

1. His left handed throws outside of the pocket on late downs against Denver in Mile High on Monday night football.
2. He threw up a Johnny Manziel special against Baltimore at home across his body deep to Tyreek that was on the winning drive of the game. I think it was like 4th and 15.

The dude had everything go his way last season. His talent is ridiculous..... but the guy was as wild as anyone in recent memory.

Heck... He threw another left handed pass in some other game and also has the whole No-look throw mystique about him.

 

[Solar7]

The Chiefs won two games last season on improv.

1. His left handed throws outside of the pocket on late downs against Denver in Mile High on Monday night football.
2. He threw up a Johnny Manziel special against Baltimore at home across his body deep to Tyreek that was on the winning drive of the game. I think it was like 4th and 15.

The dude had everything go his way last season. His talent is ridiculous..... but the guy was as wild as anyone in recent memory.

Heck... He threw another left handed pass in some other game and also has the whole No-look throw mystique about him.

Sure, he has some wild moments, the great ones do. But Mahomes is in no way a gimmick player. He doesn't run a ton, he stands back and slings it.

Let's compare that to like, Tyrod Taylor, whose game has very little control to it.

 

[Yuma]

I will not drink from the Air-Raid Kool-Aid until I see how it shakes out. I am closer to Oh-NO! than Oh-YEAH! at this time.

I AM worried how that translates. I HOPE to be surprised.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

The Patriots cut his sack? He led the team to 31 points, throwing for 300 yards, 3 TDs and 0 Interceptions and leading a last second drive to tie the game and put it into OT.

They were all over him like a cheap suit. They got to him and developed a plan to get him under duress with a good PASH RUSH. Get to the QB and they can’t throw lasers looking over their shoulder 15 yards down the field. This is why the Cardinals should draft BOSA and solidify a nasty pass rush

 

[Harry]

They weren’t ready for Chip Kelly either. Yeah he had a moment but where is he now and look at how the Eagles are floundering. Plus who believes in Kelly in the NFL now!

 

[TheCardFan]

They weren’t ready for Chip Kelly either. Yeah he had a moment but where is he now and look at how the Eagles are floundering. Plus who believes in Kelly in the NFL now!

The difference...the McVay model vs super EGO.

The best teams in the NFL already run a modified KK offense.