The Official 2012 NBA Finals Thread: MIA vs. OKC

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The Thunder are poised to roll through the Mavericks, Lakers, the Spurs and now the overhyped Heat. That represents the teams who have won titles over the past 12+ years (forget the Celtics, they suck). Mavs right off a title. Lakers off of a title a couple of years ago and still solid. Spurs off of one of their best seasons in recent memory.

It will be one of the best runs from a young team we have seen. They truly are positioned well to win it all, with a TON of talent that comes in waves, and a shockingly fearless and poised demeanor for such a young team. That home court advantage surely doesn't hurt. It's like Sacramento's old crowds, but amped up to 11.
 

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The Thunder are poised to roll through the Mavericks, Lakers, the Spurs and now the over-hyped Heat. That represents the teams who have won titles over the past 12+ years (forget the Celtics, they suck). Mavs right off a title. Lakers off of a title a couple of years ago and still solid. Spurs off of one of their best seasons in recent memory.

Last time a team other than the Lakers, the Spurs, or the Mavs represented the West in the Finals was 1998 (Jazz vs. Bulls). Crazy to think they beat all 3 of those teams this postseason to get where they are - huge accomplishment. They are not just "happy to be there" either. They are like sharks that sense blood in the water. They are so much tougher than the Heat (especially mentally). Normally the edge would go to the more "veteran" team, but in this case the youngsters (2nd youngest team ever in the Finals) are kicking butt and taking names.
 

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Wade is simply over the hill.

Look at him, his athleticism is fading and without he is simply not superstar material. He never had a consistent jumpshot.

He will be the player that holds back Lebron because he gives him no spacing. If the Heat were smart they would have realized this a year ago. Maybe they can still sucker a desperate team in to give up way too much for Wade.
Yeah right, Nash is over the hill, Wade has a jumpshot, and your just doing your thing.
 

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Individually Lebron is clearly the better and more talented player. The criticism Lebron gets is just way over the top.

For whatever reason there seems to be a lot of jealousy in play. Realistically Lebron James is the most talented player in possibly NBA history including Michael Jordan.

I mean yesterday they were complaining that Lebron only scored 7 in the 4th quarter. It's a bit ridiculous considering 7 a quarter averages out to 28.

Lebron basically plays every minute for the Heat since the Boston series and you can see him getting exhausted in the 2nd halfs. Who wouldn't. He is 6'9 260lbs with lots of muscles. He can't have the stamina of a 180lbs skinny guy because of his body alone he exerts a lot more energy.

I don't know why people are so jealous of Miamis big 3. It is simply not that good. Wade is a bad sidekick for Lebron and the rest of their roster is crap it's hardly better than the Cavs teams and nowhere near as good as OKC or SAS. If Lebron doesn't carry them they have no chance.
I'd take Jordan, Magic, Kobe, and Durant over Lebron.
 

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Maybe Phil Jackson can come in and teach him how to coach superstar talented people. Already said he doesn't want to travel for road games and I read Riley loves him some Spoelstra. 2 year deal then Jackson gets all the streetcred again, he's probably thinking about the Heat talent right now. If OKC wins this year, this is my bold prediction next year. Nothing bold about predicting anything Suns/Sarver related right now, but I did get wind of something at the bar last weekend.

The $64 question there is how much pride does Riley have that could potentially dissuade him from hiring the man who bested his accomplishments with the Lakers?

The easy fix is for Riley to come downstairs, but bringing Jackson in with the current roster the way it's put together all but guarantees Miami wins the championship.

If Jackson would come on board, imagine this: he would have coached Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron. And it would signify that the three needed elite coaching to get over the hump to win a title.


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Funny how some people are blaming coaching. This is a team that has Lebron James and Dwayne Wade on it. There isn't much coaching going on. I seriously doubt they listen to Spoelstra much.
 

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Riley and Jackson = oil and water. Incredibly doubtful, because neither of them would swallow pride. Not in them.
 

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Funny how some people are blaming coaching. This is a team that has Lebron James and Dwayne Wade on it. There isn't much coaching going on. I seriously doubt they listen to Spoelstra much.

True. But I seriously doubt anyone would listen to Spoelestra much.
 

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I'd take Jordan, Magic, Kobe, and Durant over Lebron.

Someone on my UCLA board said it best IMHO. In the regular season and the bulk of the postseason games LeBron is the best player on the planet, when the games get to crunch time, he no longer is.

He didn't choke last night, he just has this pattern over the years of being unable to come through when his team needs it. He'll have a brilliant overall game but the last X minutes not so brilliant.

That's where the rep comes from.

Durant when OKC needed it last night was brilliant. LeBron was in the last 2 games of th eCeltics series so he CAN do it, we'll see if it happens in the finals.
 

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True. But I seriously doubt anyone would listen to Spoelestra much.

One of his biggest drawbacks is that he doesn't look that much older than his players. Good for him personally, bad for him professionally. Hell, LeBron looks older than him. He needs to grow a mustache or beard, or something.
 

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Funny how some people are blaming coaching. This is a team that has Lebron James and Dwayne Wade on it. There isn't much coaching going on. I seriously doubt they listen to Spoelstra much.

I think those personalities are hard to coach but I havnt seen anything from Spoelstra that makes me think he should have been allowed out of the video room. Their offense shows no creativity despite having 2 of the best creators in the league. And the Celtic series should never have gone 7 games. Throw traps at Rondo and the Celtics offense grinds to a halt, the old men that comprise the rest of their team cannot create offense on their own anymore. Both Philly and Atlanta did a much better job defending the Celtics because they focused on taking the ball out of Rondo's hands. If the Heat had bothered to watch that film and implored the same strategies they would have massacred Boston.
 

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Funny how some people are blaming coaching. This is a team that has Lebron James and Dwayne Wade on it. There isn't much coaching going on. I seriously doubt they listen to Spoelstra much.

This isn't NBA 2K12. Even the greats need a solid coach, which is why this team is struggling even with Wade and LeBron. How many titles did Kobe and Jordan win without Phil Jackson. Better yet, how many NBA finals did they get to without Jackson?

You kind of made my point in your post - they don't listen to Spoelstra much. Probably for good reason. But neither LeBron nor Wade are coaches, simply players.


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The biggest issue is that that don't complement each other.

They are like the new backcourt 2000. Wade is a poor poor mans Lebron and ineffective when not given the ball but why would you want to take it out of Lebrons hands.
 

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This isn't NBA 2K12. Even the greats need a solid coach, which is why this team is struggling even with Wade and LeBron. How many titles did Kobe and Jordan win without Phil Jackson. Better yet, how many NBA finals did they get to without Jackson?

You kind of made my point in your post - they don't listen to Spoelstra much. Probably for good reason. But neither LeBron nor Wade are coaches, simply players.


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You seriously don't think players coach? You do know we have a guy named Steve Nash, right? :D
 

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You seriously don't think players coach? You do know we have a guy named Steve Nash, right? :D

If players did coach, I'd rather have Nash doing it than anyone else in the entire league, including James and Wade.
 

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Good all-around post, but I think people discount the Heat's depth too much.

Shane Battier is the poster child of a role player.

Battier WAS the poster child of a role player... 3 years ago. Not he's 33 and isn't nearly as effective as he used to be.

Excellent perimeter defender who usually draws the assignment of guarding the likes of Kobe, Durant, and LeBron, when he played elsewhere.

you are completely living in the past here.

He is also an underrated shooter.

actually, he's an overrated shooter. He was a good shooter years ago, but as he's gotten older, his shot has gone bye bye, averaging a pretty bad 33% three point shooting the last couple years. again, living in the past.

If I were Spoelstra, I'd keep him on Durant and give LeBron the easy assignment of guarding Sefolosha (sp) so he has energy to dominate on offense.

Durant would score 40 per on Battier. And LeBron didn't even guard Durant all that much in the last game but Durant DID guard LeBron in the fourth... and was still able to carry that quarter.

It's not like the Heat are devoid of role players, I simply think they are underutilized. Haslem has been a junkyard dog his entire career.

a very lengthy career as he's into his 30's as well and been injured on and off the last couple years.

He could be counted on to get 10 & 8 game in and game out off the bench.

off the bench? again, living in the past.

Mike Miller (who is having a disastrous playoff season) is a good perimeter threat on offense and spaces out the floor quite well when the ball is going in the basket.

again, living in the past. Miller's old and has been injury prone and a disaster not just this playoff season but for the last two seasons. That happens with age.

Mario Chalmers seems to play his best ball when the pressure is on (this has been the case since his days at Kansas) and is not afraid to take the big shot.

Chalmers is a decent role player but unbelievably erratic.

Moreover, Joel Anthony is a great shot blocker and I don't understand why he isn't used more often. While he is virtually useless on offense, his defense is worth giving him 20 minutes +/-.

dude's a rich man's Mark West. An okay role player at best.

The reason you have Bosh, Wade, and LeBron on the team is to score buckets, largely why they account for 65-70% of the team's total points. Those three alone should be able to outscore anyone's lineup of 5 at any given moment.

In addition, there are a handful of other players on the Heat roster that have made significant contributions throughout the season - Norris Cole, Dexter Pittman (sans the dirty play against Indiana, and James Jones, who we all know can shoot the ball.

Lol... Norris Cole, Dexter Pittman and James Jones are worthless basketball players at this level. I mean... Dexter Pittman and Norris Cole have made "significant contributions"? That's a joke TJ. Those guys are bench warmer extraordinares.

But it all starts with the superstars. LeBron is the most versatile player on the planet. Wade is still a Top 5 player in this league, even if he's not playing like one right now. And Bosh is still an all-star who can hit the perimeter shot and inexplicably developed a three point game the past few days.

IMO, if Pat Riley came down from the FO again to coach, he would maximize the potential of the aforementioned players and this discussion about the team's depth would be put to rest. I honestly think Spoelstra is that bad of a coach where he has the uncanny power to make nothing out of something. If you cannot succeed with LeBron, Bosh, and Wade, you have problems.

Listen, I love Durant to death and would have understood if he got the MVP over LeBron this season, but he's nowhere near the defender and facilitator LeBron is. I'm slowly coming around to Westbrook, but I believe he is one of the more erratic players in the league.

again... LOL... 24/5/5 is one of the most erratic players in the game? That's a complete joke. He's one of the best players in the game PERIOD and at this point in his career destroys Wade in their head to head match-up.

For a guy who is amazing in penetration, his overall FG% is only 43% and isn't a great facilitator. Keep him in the perimeter and force him to be a true PG/outside shooter and he can be completely taken out of his game.

he can be completely taken out of his game? Who exactly is going to keep him on the perimeter? No one has done that for two years with him.
 

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lebron looks mentally beat already. he's sitting there on the bench thinking/meditating while everyone's shooting around.
 

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Thunder will make a run, then close it in the third, then put it away in the fourth. I've seen this game a ton of times already.
 

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Thunder will make a run, then close it in the third, then put it away in the fourth. I've seen this game a ton of times already.

Doubt it, unless the HEAT start playing lazy transition defense again. Thunder just have a awful awful halfcourt offense.
 

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LOL at Westbrook's MJ impersonation switching to lefty on the lay up, pretty sweet and I aint a Westbrook fan.
 

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