The Official Bradley Sowell Era Thread

[WisconsinCard]

I guess I blew right past the Levi threads.

THat's what she said...

 

[crisper57]

It is laughable that Levi Brown's play was defended by so many, right up until the trade, and a guy is signed off the street who plays a decent game and now everyone wants to make out with Keim and Arians over it. Well, or at least send their sister into the closet with them.

I will fess up to defending him as the best option we had at the time, while simultaneously lamenting that fact. I've been on record begging for us to draft OL (particularly OT) in the last few years. In fact, I think a good LT fixes a lot of our QB woes because they will have more time to make better decisions.

But now that I've looked at the data, I can't believe I wasn't screaming for Levi's head earlier. He was an abortion of an LT.

 

[Mulli]

I will fess up to defending him as the best option we had at the time, while simultaneously lamenting that fact. I've been on record begging for us to draft OL (particularly OT) in the last few years. In fact, I think a good LT fixes a lot of our QB woes because they will have more time to make better decisions.

But now that I've looked at the data, I can't believe I wasn't screaming for Levi's head earlier. He was an abortion of an LT.

I submit you might be a bit off on the QB woes being just a time to throw issue as well. The crappiness on 3rd down can't only be a time to throw thing, in my opinion (which is often a dumb one).

 

[crisper57]

I submit you might be a bit off on the QB woes being just a time to throw issue as well. The crappiness on 3rd down can't only be a time to throw thing, in my opinion (which is often a dumb one).

Here's my logic (faulty as it may be).

If you have a great OL, they can raise the level of the QB play by slowing down the time he needs to make a decision. Not the only factor, but a large one.

If you have a great QB, but a crappy OL, it won't matter because he'll eventually get gun-shy or end up on IR because of the hits he will take.

I know its not perfect reasoning, because there are plenty of teams with decent lines and meh QB's who never make the post season. You need a great QB to make a run, but you also need to keep him upright.

Chicken or the egg, I guess?

 

[Mulli]

Here's my logic (faulty as it may be).

If you have a great OL, they can raise the level of the QB play by slowing down the time he needs to make a decision. Not the only factor, but a large one.

If you have a great QB, but a crappy OL, it won't matter because he'll eventually get gun-shy or end up on IR because of the hits he will take.

I know its not perfect reasoning, because there are plenty of teams with decent lines and meh QB's who never make the post season. You need a great QB to make a run, but you also need to keep him upright.

Chicken or the egg, I guess?

Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, heck most if not all the big name successful QB's, can make a play when blocking breaks down. This is the NFL, no matter how good your OL is you will get pressured but still have to make the big plays and not go 1-12 on 3rd down all the time,. Ye, the Cardinals OL is terrible, but Palmer can feel free to read the blitz, anticipate the blitz/pressure, make a play under pressure on 3rd down. Yadayadaya. Ugh, how many years in a row will we have this discussion.

 

[crisper57]

Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, heck most if not all the big name successful QB's, can make a play when blocking breaks down. This is the NFL, no matter how good your OL is you will get pressured but still have to make the big plays and not go 1-12 on 3rd down all the time,. Ye, the Cardinals OL is terrible, but Palmer can feel free to read the blitz, anticipate the blitz/pressure, make a play under pressure on 3rd down. Yadayadaya. Ugh, how many years in a row will we have this discussion.

Once we draft a stud LT and line him next to Cooper next season, we won't have to have it ever again!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Here's my logic (faulty as it may be).

If you have a great OL, they can raise the level of the QB play by slowing down the time he needs to make a decision. Not the only factor, but a large one.

If you have a great QB, but a crappy OL, it won't matter because he'll eventually get gun-shy or end up on IR because of the hits he will take.

i think this really goes both ways. Rodgers has had a bad O-line for years and consistently has that offense humming. We've seen the same thing from Luck and Wilson as well. Even Big Ben over the years has consistently had a terrible o-line and keeps that O going, not withstanding this year when the Steelers are depleted and old everywhere.

But great QBs also make O-lines better. Look no further then Warner for that. The ability to see the field and make snap decisions puts a defense on it's heels and can dial down the pressure it brings.

 

[Mulli]

Once we draft a stud LT and line him next to Cooper next season, we won't have to have it ever again!

except then we will have discussions 3 times a year for three years for them to "learn the positions" by then the QB will also be learning the position, so good gravy...

 

[crisper57]

except then we will have discussions 3 times a year for three years for them to "learn the positions" by then the QB will also be learning the position, so good gravy...

Sure, bust out the premium smilie to drive your point home!!!

 

[Duckjake]

What I can say for sure is that the definition of "Drive-killing penalties" shouldn't be "all penalties, anywhere and all situations." Surely a false start on 3rd and one seems awful. But to define it primae faciae as a "drive killer" doesn't go deeply enough. Because if we got the first down, then it isn't a drive-killer, is it?

A perfect example of this is Leonard Davis who got the reputation as a drive killer because of that (in my opinion) bogus false start penalty called on him in the Rams game.

I did a similar review to what has been posted here on Levi for a season that Davis had several false start penalties using profootball-reference.com play by play, and surprisingly the Cardinals still picked up the first down about 80% of the time after a Davis FS and in reality it was LJ Shelton who was the drive killer with holding penalties.

Of course until recently you couldn't really blame any player for penalties because the refs loved to call BS penalties on the Cardinals. How many of you remember the game it got so bad the normally laid back Cardinal fans at SDS were throwing things on the field from the upper deck?

 

[D-Dogg]

How many of you remember the game it got so bad the normally laid back Cardinal fans at SDS were throwing things on the field from the upper deck?

The one where AW got ejected?

 

[BigRedRage]

The one where AW got ejected?

I thought that was the rams game with the false start? I remember being there but not which game it was. Dasani bottles flying everywhere after some sort of referree comment.

 

[BigRedRage]

I don't recall much defense of levi ever.

Either your short term memory is SHOT, or you were avoiding the Levi threads.

very few defended him or thought he was good, beyond that people had hope but i dont think anyone thought he was worth keeping for the long term or anything.

I thought he was OK, and thats about it. Im glad Sowell had a good game and hope he keeps up to par or better

 

[Mulli]

So, I watched a different game yesterday, , what did people think of Bra-Sow?

 

[Mulli]

Anyone, anyone?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Anyone, anyone?

He is playing better than any LT the Cardinals have had since 2008, IMO.

I hope we sign him long term for depth.

As for his play on Sunday ? I thought he played very well. The safety ? Eh, it happens, and he should have had either help on the play, or Palmer get the ball out faster to the check down.

Guy is so much better in the run game than Levi Brown it is an absolute joke that people used to give Levi Brown a kudos on his run blocking, when Sowell is this much better.

 

[Mulli]

He is playing better than any LT the Cardinals have had since 2008, IMO.

I hope we sign him long term for depth.

As for his play on Sunday ? I thought he played very well. The safety ? Eh, it happens, and he should have had either help on the play, or Palmer get the ball out faster to the check down.

Guy is so much better in the run game than Levi Brown it is an absolute joke that people used to give Levi Brown a kudos on his run blocking, when Sowell is this much better.

:hugs:

 

[bankybruce]

He looks decent to above average in Run Blocking and wiffed at least three or four times on Pass Blocking. We only gave up one sack in the game on the safety play and I think that was on him and Justin Smith got two QB hits, both on him. For the most part, the pocket was clean most of the game.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He looks decent to above average in Run Blocking and wiffed at least three or four times on Pass Blocking. We only gave up one sack in the game on the safety play and I think that was on him and Justin Smith got two QB hits, both on him. For the most part, the pocket was clean most of the game.

Justin Smith gets hits on a lot of OT's so I am OK with it.

I went back and looked at the safety and while I could defend Sowell....hoooowee that guy got there quick on him. So, there is that.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don't care what we paid, what we saved, or what we got for the sack whisperer it was worth it. B-So is just playing better, and it appears as though he wants to play and prefect his craft. Levi just looked and acted lazy. All the talent in the world, but a rich man has few worries when it comes to making more money. B-So wants to get paid.

 

[JeffGollin]

Give me an athletic guy who lacks technique over a slow clumsy guy with good technique - because you can teach an athletic guy better technique but you'll have trouble teaching a slow clumsy guy with good technique to be less clumsy.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't care what we paid, what we saved, or what we got for the sack whisperer it was worth it. B-So is just playing better, and it appears as though he wants to play and prefect his craft. Levi just looked and acted lazy. All the talent in the world, but a rich man has few worries when it comes to making more money. B-So wants to get paid.

Levi Brown will be broke soon enough.

I doubt he is going to be able to block his wife from getting to his money.

 

[Mulli]

Levi Brown will be broke soon enough.

I doubt he is going to be able to block his wife from getting to his money.

Geez...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Geez...

All she has to do is fake to the outside and rush back inside. By the time Levi recovers she will already have his wallet, and be two feet out the door.

Levi Brown, a pick pockets dream.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I am overjoyed that my pathetic life is not on display here. I would be in intensive care from all the jackboot wounds from being kicked when I am down.