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Agreed. I would get a TV now. I am going to get an HD-DVD player really soon I think.
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Agreed. I would get a TV now. I am going to get an HD-DVD player really soon I think.
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I finally bought a lcd, I purchased the LG 42LB5D. I do have a setup question. I have Comcast's cable box & a Panasonic DMR EH55. I can't get both working together. Anyone know what my cable hookups should be?
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You should be able to get them both to work. You should hook up the Cable box to the TV using HDMI if available, or component if it is not.
The best connection then from the Cable box to the DVD recorder would be S-Video.
Tommorow we switch to Fiber Optic Television... I am worried, I love the service I have but it was just too expensive.
Currently paying $120 for Cable with all the HD/DVR bells and whistles and another $140 for my Business pack phone/ADSL service (5/2 mbps). The new plan is called the triple play which comes with a little lesser HD pack and the same speed Internet connection plus broadband phone for $148.
I hate change...
Currently paying $120 for Cable with all the HD/DVR bells and whistles and another $140 for my Business pack phone/ADSL service (5/2 mbps). The new plan is called the triple play which comes with a little lesser HD pack and the same speed Internet connection plus broadband phone for $148.
I hate change...
Installed yesterday...
Some good and some bad.
Bad -
Some good and some bad.
Bad -
- Sales reps lied their asses off.
- Multi room DVR not active (is written on my contract so still fighting that and waiting for it to become active)
- Rep said there is only one HD pack and you get everything - not true, we get local and any paid programming channels in HD (HBO, SHO, etc.)
- Discovery HD, HD Net, PBS HD, National Geographic and 20 other channels come in 2 additional "expanded HD" packages.
- Internet seems shared like a cable connection rather than my ADSL - Speed tests result in speeds all over the place - I was ADSL 5/2 Mbps and tested pretty much dead on all the time(over 5 down always and over 2 up always). One day with this and so far I have tested peak time and off peak time - off peak hours maxes at 5100/1700, peak hour (5PM - 8PM) tests at 2800/700.
- Picture quality is much better than my cable provider all across the board
- No random digitized picture
- DVR is much more responsive
- Channel menus are much more responsive
- HD quality seems much crisper and clearer
- Phone quality seems to be better
- Installation and installation crew was incredible, took their time, did a very neat and clean installation.
- Media center computer integration is pretty damn cool
- The look of the Set Top Boxes, media center and the router are just bad ass...
Has anyone heard any rumours/info about a HD media center for DirecTV subs? I seem to recall some talk about it a year or so ago, but haven't heard anything lately.
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i'm pretty sure that this just happened this week but Cox has added A&E HD and MY45 HD to their lineup.
they still need more though to compete with satellite
they still need more though to compete with satellite
They also added CineMax HD.
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yea it was online a few days ago about it...
here's what im upset about... i loved the D-backs in HD on channel 3 when it finally arrived... and after this season it will be a moot point.
FSNAZ better figure out a way to show HD games more than once a week
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I barely watch any D-backs games anyway. The only ones that I do watch, are in HD.
There are very few things that I watch that are not in HD, period.
Interesting article.
HD battle baffles TV watchers
Carl Bialik
The Wall Street Journal
Jul. 13, 2007 08:23 AM
As Americans upgrade to high-definition television, they're being barraged by celebrity pitches for competing TV services - and dueling statistics.
Most viewers will never compare cable with satellite in their own homes. But they're asked to make the comparison in their heads, with the help of some loaded claims.
DirecTV has been the big player in this numbers game. In a current ad, Pamela Anderson, in "Baywatch"-era lifeguard garb, chastens viewers as a swimmer calls for help: "I'm putting my life on the line and you're watching me on cable instead of DirecTV?" Ms. Anderson explains: "DirecTV's picture quality beats cable, four-to-one."
How one picture quality beat another, or exactly what the four-to-one ratio represents, Ms. Anderson doesn't say; she launches into her trademark beach run.
Later, the ad clarifies that DirecTV was preferred four-to-one among home-theater installers. A company news release explains that 500 installers were surveyed by phone nationwide. Satellite was compared with cable generically, not with a specific provider. Picture quality was a convenient measure for the ad: There, DirecTV had the widest margin over cable. The margin for best overall TV experience was two to one.
Clarifying the clarity survey
Much remains unclear about the survey, including how the installers were selected. Analysts say most installers get a commission if they set up a satellite system, but not so for cable. Also, the entire survey wasn't presented in the release, so we don't know if the respondents preferred cable in some measures. Such answers wouldn't make it into the news release, let alone into Ms. Anderson's script.
Jon Gieselman, DirecTV's senior vice president of advertising and PR, said he'd like to clarify things, but some of the company's ads are tied up in court with its cable rivals. The two sides in the TV tussle are swapping lawsuits as well as competing ads. "Because of the pending litigation, DirecTV is not at liberty to discuss these issues in detail, other than to say that we stand by our own advertising," Mr. Gieselman said. A DirecTV spokeswoman did say that the home-theater installers worked with more than one TV service, including some cable companies.
Comcast Cable, in turn, has advertised that satellite customers prefer its HD picture quality over their own providers'. That claim is based on a test of two TV sets, side by side, sponsored by Comcast and conducted with the help of three outside companies. Comcast's news release trumpeted that two-thirds of satellite customers preferred its service. But its margin of victory narrows when cable customers are included in the blind test.
Not all HD created equal
Nonetheless, there are problems with a side-by-side comparison of picture quality. Not all HD channels are created equal. Some, but not all, pay carriers to broadcast their pictures at maximum resolution. And picture quality depends on how well the TVs were set up.
DirecTV has sued Comcast in U.S. District Court, Chicago, over its ads based on the survey, calling them "literally false." Comcast has said it stands by the ads, but declined to provide a copy of the full survey or further clarification, citing the litigation.
The number of available HD channels is another arena of debate. DirecTV touts that a satellite upgrade will soon provide its customers with 150 channels - three times the number available with cable. But Sanford C. Bernstein analysts stated in a report last month that there is no time frame for the expansion. Also, the company counts twice two HD channels with identical programming that are scheduled three hours apart because of the time difference on the two coasts.
Judge pulls DirecTV ads
Comcast, meanwhile, has stated its goal of 800 HD "choices." These include "every lame HD stream that a consumer could conceivably order up (think interactive HD car commercials)," the Bernstein analysts wrote.
DirecTV lost one legal round because of another use of numbers. Actress/singer Jessica Simpson suggested to viewers that DirecTV HD has the best picture quality, then added, "It's broadcast in 1080i. I totally don't know what that means, but I want it."
Apparently DirecTV want viewers to channel their inner Jessica Simpson, because 1080i is an HD standard that all the providers follow. It's like boasting that your computer monitor is capable of a 1024x768 resolution (the norm).
A federal judge for the Southern District of New York ordered the ads pulled - after they had already been stopped, says DirecTV. The company appealed. Stating that your product is better than your competitor's is deemed harmless "puffery." But "courts have recognized that scientific claims are more persuasive," Georgetown advertising-law specialist Rebecca Tushnet said. Then, advertisers must be able to back the claim.
When it comes to HD, consumers could use some help. Bruce Leichtman, president of Leichtman Research Group, based in Durham, N.H., said only half of people with HD sets watch HD programs, with many not realizing they must subscribe to a special service.
Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett adds, "This is a market that is characterized by rampant confusion, and therefore it lends itself to hyperbole and inflated claims."
HD battle baffles TV watchers
Carl Bialik
The Wall Street Journal
Jul. 13, 2007 08:23 AM
As Americans upgrade to high-definition television, they're being barraged by celebrity pitches for competing TV services - and dueling statistics.
Most viewers will never compare cable with satellite in their own homes. But they're asked to make the comparison in their heads, with the help of some loaded claims.
DirecTV has been the big player in this numbers game. In a current ad, Pamela Anderson, in "Baywatch"-era lifeguard garb, chastens viewers as a swimmer calls for help: "I'm putting my life on the line and you're watching me on cable instead of DirecTV?" Ms. Anderson explains: "DirecTV's picture quality beats cable, four-to-one."
How one picture quality beat another, or exactly what the four-to-one ratio represents, Ms. Anderson doesn't say; she launches into her trademark beach run.
Later, the ad clarifies that DirecTV was preferred four-to-one among home-theater installers. A company news release explains that 500 installers were surveyed by phone nationwide. Satellite was compared with cable generically, not with a specific provider. Picture quality was a convenient measure for the ad: There, DirecTV had the widest margin over cable. The margin for best overall TV experience was two to one.
Clarifying the clarity survey
Much remains unclear about the survey, including how the installers were selected. Analysts say most installers get a commission if they set up a satellite system, but not so for cable. Also, the entire survey wasn't presented in the release, so we don't know if the respondents preferred cable in some measures. Such answers wouldn't make it into the news release, let alone into Ms. Anderson's script.
Jon Gieselman, DirecTV's senior vice president of advertising and PR, said he'd like to clarify things, but some of the company's ads are tied up in court with its cable rivals. The two sides in the TV tussle are swapping lawsuits as well as competing ads. "Because of the pending litigation, DirecTV is not at liberty to discuss these issues in detail, other than to say that we stand by our own advertising," Mr. Gieselman said. A DirecTV spokeswoman did say that the home-theater installers worked with more than one TV service, including some cable companies.
Comcast Cable, in turn, has advertised that satellite customers prefer its HD picture quality over their own providers'. That claim is based on a test of two TV sets, side by side, sponsored by Comcast and conducted with the help of three outside companies. Comcast's news release trumpeted that two-thirds of satellite customers preferred its service. But its margin of victory narrows when cable customers are included in the blind test.
Not all HD created equal
Nonetheless, there are problems with a side-by-side comparison of picture quality. Not all HD channels are created equal. Some, but not all, pay carriers to broadcast their pictures at maximum resolution. And picture quality depends on how well the TVs were set up.
DirecTV has sued Comcast in U.S. District Court, Chicago, over its ads based on the survey, calling them "literally false." Comcast has said it stands by the ads, but declined to provide a copy of the full survey or further clarification, citing the litigation.
The number of available HD channels is another arena of debate. DirecTV touts that a satellite upgrade will soon provide its customers with 150 channels - three times the number available with cable. But Sanford C. Bernstein analysts stated in a report last month that there is no time frame for the expansion. Also, the company counts twice two HD channels with identical programming that are scheduled three hours apart because of the time difference on the two coasts.
Judge pulls DirecTV ads
Comcast, meanwhile, has stated its goal of 800 HD "choices." These include "every lame HD stream that a consumer could conceivably order up (think interactive HD car commercials)," the Bernstein analysts wrote.
DirecTV lost one legal round because of another use of numbers. Actress/singer Jessica Simpson suggested to viewers that DirecTV HD has the best picture quality, then added, "It's broadcast in 1080i. I totally don't know what that means, but I want it."
Apparently DirecTV want viewers to channel their inner Jessica Simpson, because 1080i is an HD standard that all the providers follow. It's like boasting that your computer monitor is capable of a 1024x768 resolution (the norm).
A federal judge for the Southern District of New York ordered the ads pulled - after they had already been stopped, says DirecTV. The company appealed. Stating that your product is better than your competitor's is deemed harmless "puffery." But "courts have recognized that scientific claims are more persuasive," Georgetown advertising-law specialist Rebecca Tushnet said. Then, advertisers must be able to back the claim.
When it comes to HD, consumers could use some help. Bruce Leichtman, president of Leichtman Research Group, based in Durham, N.H., said only half of people with HD sets watch HD programs, with many not realizing they must subscribe to a special service.
Bernstein analyst Craig Moffett adds, "This is a market that is characterized by rampant confusion, and therefore it lends itself to hyperbole and inflated claims."
That's depressing when it says Direct TV's 150 HD channels could be anytime...
Actually what's going to be depressing is if the 150 new HD channels really becomes about 10 to 15 new channels because of all the regional channel duplication and DTV making PR statements that make it sound better then it really is.
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Looking to buy a couple of 6" hdmi cables. Does anyone know where I can get the best deal on them, online or not?
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Which one do you recommend? I am looking for a HDMI cable to go from the cable box to the tv and from the dvr to the tv.
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The cheapest ones there. These $5 cables at monoprice are the same quality as a $150 Monster cable. Just get whatever size you need.
Wowsers. If they're the same quality, how can they charge 3,000% the price?
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because people don't know any better.
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I have a Comcast digital box but it has no HDMI outputs. I need to get an adapter but I have a question. What is the difference between a HDMI-to-Female-DVI Adapter and a HDMI Male to DVI-D Female adapter [DVI-F]?
I'm assuming I would need to purchase the HDMI-to-Female-DVI adapter. Is that correct?
Thanks!
I'm assuming I would need to purchase the HDMI-to-Female-DVI adapter. Is that correct?
Thanks!
You don't get the digital audio on DVI...
I'd just use component cables anyways...unless you aren't using the optical for sound, I dunno.
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I have the HDMI cables but not the adapter.
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Agreed. I'd just use the component and the optical out for audio. There may be some loss in the DVI-HDMI adapter, and the difference is minimal anyway.
