The Official KVB Injury Update thread....

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
He is not right. Tango was just blowing hot air. It had already been reported that he blew out his knee, yet Tango felt the need to be a jerk about it.

Heck, when I saw the replay, I immediately said he blew his knee out, it was that obvious.

Not to be too picky - but nothing I read was an official report by the medical or training staff of the CARDS... until then, even what seems obvious to you... is pure speculation.

 

[HoodieBets]

why not run more 3-4 now? Pace is use to the system. Sign big daddy and move bryant to the end. We have such good depth at LB that the 3-4 would be great. I would like a line of wilkenson, pace, and bryant.

 

[Stout]

Big Daddy is a Lion, dude. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by AZCardsWin
This is a big injury but not devastating for the Cards (especially when you look at what happened to Vick in Atlanta). I like the Cards D-Line depth and KVB honestly hadnt done too much in pre-season to this point.

Go Cards/ America!
Tim

I disagree. This loss hurts bad.

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Now with two bad knees i dont see this kid playing again.

Kyle only has one bad knee. He rehabbed so hard on his right knee, it was much stronger than it was before the injury.

I have never seen a harder worker than KVB. He will come back stronger next year. I have no doubt about it.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
I disagree. This loss hurts bad.

I dunno Jim KVB has heart but his athleticism is in question. I just dont see him making many plays. That includes watching him in four practices and his time in the games so far!

It hurts from a depth satandpoint but just maybe a nice surprise comes out of this!

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Sure, he plays hard and he's white, but other than that, he isn't a very good starting defensive end.

What does being white have to do with anything?

 

[Northern Card]

It was mentioned last year by the coach that switching BRYANT from DT to DE was a recipe for retarding his growth as a player. In effect, making him a "jack of all trades - master of none." For that reason it was said that he would stay put at DT.

I find it interesting that some who praised KVB in the past, spoke of a breakout year... and, additionally - said that they couldn't wait to have him moved over to LDE, now feel that he's no great loss and can be adequately replaced.

IMO - It's the height of rationalization that the full potential of this defense in the upcoming year can be met with DE's composed of 1. at best a backup, 2. two actual rookies and 3. two virtual rookies.

This loss hurts the team dramatically until PROVEN different.

 

[Jim O]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
So why, then, weren't the Cardinal trainers more "paranoid" about this - i.e. why wasn't KVB wearing knee braces on both legs?

Kyle was 100% healthy.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by Shane H
I dunno Jim KVB has heart but his athleticism is in question. I just dont see him making many plays. That includes watching him in four practices and his time in the games so far!

It hurts from a depth satandpoint but just maybe a nice surprise comes out of this!

Maybe your right. KVB made alot of plays before his first knee blew. But I really havent seen anything from him since.

That being said, I still think he was better than what we have to replace him. I like Wakefield, but as a backup/rotational player. Not a fulltimer.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Its a damn shame when these injuries happen in a meaningless pre-season game.


I only have lay knowledge of medicine, but one troubling thing is that I've heard that if something goes wrong with one extremity, it's likely that it could happen on the opposite side - either because the body tries to compensate for the injured limb or because the opposite limb shares the same congenital weakness.

So why, then, weren't the Cardinal trainers more "paranoid" about this - i.e. why wasn't KVB wearing knee braces on both legs?

its funny you say that. there is qb named jason white at Oklahoma. He blew out one knee in 2001 (without contact), and then blew out the other knee in 2002, again without contact.

He is, by the by, projected to be the starter for us this season. bob stoops raves about his work ethic. the local talk radio says that surgically repaired knees (for ligament tears) now come back stronger than they were before the injury thanks to improved technique by doctors.

 

[cardsfan473]

I'm with Jim O. on this one. I don't want to sound like I'm jumping on the doom'n'gloom bandwagon, but this loss is HUGE!

I heard on Cardinal talk last night, following the game, that Eric Hill was mentioning the Cards are trying to bring Calvin Pace along more slowly, and not heap a ton of pressure on the kid.

Now it appears that will go by the wayside. I hope Calvin is mentally strong enough to take the baptism-by-fire that he will face. I'm sure it is, but it is going to be alot of pressure to prdouce as a full timer, and not a situational rusher.

In this way, the loss of Kyle is significant. It forces the Cards to dip into the depth chart before the season even starts. For a team that can't afford a lot of injuries, this is not the way to start.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

agree that this loss hurts. if king (who I hope starts now) were to outplay kvb over the course of the season and then take over as the starter, fine. but now it looks like we might start two rookies at DE, and that just cant be good.

although, after last years performance, I don't see how things could get much worse.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Northern Card
Not to be too picky - but nothing I read was an official report by the medical or training staff of the CARDS... until then, even what seems obvious to you... is pure speculation.

Exactly, Northern.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Steve White will be signed by the end of the week, or King will be used a alot at DE. KVB is a serious loss, but at least Pace looks good.

 

[Evil Ash]

Originally posted by Oran
Steve White will be signed by the end of the week, or King will be used a alot at DE. KVB is a serious loss, but at least Pace looks good.

Very good point about White ... I forgot all about him

 

[sly fly]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I hope I don't get flamed for this, but I honestly don't view this as a huge loss.

Between Wakefield and King, we should be ok. KVB really has never done anything to warrant the love fest that the fans have for him. Sure, he plays hard and he's white, but other than that, he isn't a very good starting defensive end.

Where the heck did that come from??

White? Lovefest? Isn't a very good DE?

Sorry KVB can't stand up to your expectations there, bud.

Let's see. Everybody involved with the team (coaches, players, etc) say it's a great loss. But, you say it isn't that big of deal. Wow, who am I going to believe?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

KVB is not a big loss at all.He's about the most overrated player on this board.He would not be a starter for any other team in the league.Sure, he plays hard but he's not a disruptive force. Wakefield has been more productive thus far in their careers. The injury hurts from a depth standpoint but it will not make one bit a difference in the wins/losses total for this year.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
KVB is not a big loss at all.He's about the most overrated player on this board.He would not be a starter for any other team in the league.Sure, he plays hard but he's not a disruptive force. Wakefield has been more productive thus far in their careers. The injury hurts from a depth standpoint but it will not make one bit a difference in the wins/losses total for this year.

I would lean towards this take more than:

"the season is over because we lost kvb"


also, I would like to take this opportunity to offer my condolences to KVB and his family. He is definitely a competitor, and I know this injury affects him deeply. for that, I offer my sympathy.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
What does being white have to do with anything?

Hmm...I'm not even going to answer that. I probably shouldn't have pointed out the obvious. If Kyle was black, he wouldn't get close the attention that he has.

Just my bold opinion, and feel free to disagree, but he has gotten way more attention than he deserves.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
KVB is not a big loss at all.He's about the most overrated player on this board.He would not be a starter for any other team in the league.Sure, he plays hard but he's not a disruptive force. Wakefield has been more productive thus far in their careers. The injury hurts from a depth standpoint but it will not make one bit a difference in the wins/losses total for this year.

I agree. Since I've been watching the Cards, I can't think of one player that has been more overrated.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by sly fly
Where the heck did that come from??

White? Lovefest? Isn't a very good DE?

Sorry KVB can't stand up to your expectations there, bud.

Let's see. Everybody involved with the team (coaches, players, etc) say it's a great loss. But, you say it isn't that big of deal. Wow, who am I going to believe?

What are KVB's career sack numbers for a high second round pick?

By anyone's expectations, KVB has not produced. I couldn't care less what the team says about this being a huge loss. He has not been even close to being an adequate pass rusher.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Hmm...I'm not even going to answer that. I probably shouldn't have pointed out the obvious. If Kyle was black, he wouldn't get close the attention that he has.

Just my bold opinion, and feel free to disagree, but he has gotten way more attention than he deserves.

I agree that he has goten more attention than he deserves but i dont believe it has anything to do with his color. Ill say it i dont think KVB is a nfl starter period. He is a backup and probably a guy who get cut on other teams. He is serviceable and that is about it. I never thought he was a good player, i just thought he had good work ethic and attitude. What has he ever done on the football field that is worth noting?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
I agree that he has goten more attention than he deserves but i dont believe it has anything to do with his color. Ill say it i dont think KVB is a nfl starter period. He is a backup and probably a guy who get cut on other teams. He is serviceable and that is about it. I never thought he was a good player, i just thought he had good work ethic and attitude. What has he ever done on the football field that is worth noting?

Why was Jason Sehorn so highly rated? Anyone who tries to remove race from the sports equation is missing something.

I think it is an issue, whether people want to admit it or not.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
agree that this loss hurts. if king (who I hope starts now) were to outplay kvb over the course of the season and then take over as the starter, fine. but now it looks like we might start two rookies at DE, and that just cant be good.

although, after last years performance, I don't see how things could get much worse.

King....while looking very good against the second and third units of the other teams...will not be a starter barring injury this season. He is great for depth but there is a learning curve that he needs to get around first. Wakefield will still start and I would think Bell, Tanner, Davis Bryant on passing downs and Pace, Johnson on 3rd down. We have to get the Qb and this lineup gets us the most push up front and in the lanes. The LB have to do the rest.