The official Q trade watch thread...

[IAWarnerFan]

You'd wouldn't give up Q for a quality starter or maybe even two?

Your argument can go both ways.

I trust our drafting crew. Yes. I don't want some crappy player for a few years for Q. I want a long term starter...you know, DRC like...and we'd have two shots at one? Ok, that works.

And I'm as big a Q guy as you will find...you could consider me a Quaniphile.

I see your points, but I want the trade to be something that we wouldn't have to wait for. I want to be in the Super Bowl again next year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

i think it's hard to rate Crabtree as a prospect because his number are so out of whack because they throw 75 times a game. There's nothing that i don't like about him but it's easy to put up big numbers there. It wouldn't surprise me if he was great or struggled.

 

[Gee!]

If we absolutly have to trade Q .. I say we send him to Oakland so he can then see how good he had it AZ with our onwership..

I have zero sympathy for Q and his contract feelings.. I do sympathize for Dansby though.. Just an example of the differences of who should get paid for the reasons they are going through it..

 

[D-Dogg]

Crabtree could be the next Mike Williams or Carlos Rogers for all we know. We better get multiple picks including a 1st or a legitimate starter and some picks just based on what Detroit got for weak azz Roy!

Yeah, no Shane. Crabtree isn't Mike Williams or Carlos Rogers. He's the complete package. And a hard worker. He reminds me of a faster, touch less physical Q.

And we have NO shot at getting him. He'll be a top 5-7 pick, and I don't see Q going for a pick that high in a million years. A late first this year and a first in 10, sure. But if someone is in Crabtree range on the board, they won't be looking for an older, experienced and tougher version they'll have to pay more money too.

A guy can dream though. I'm just hoping he stays the EF out of the NFC West.

 

[splitsecond]

i think it's hard to rate Crabtree as a prospect because his number are so out of whack because they throw 75 times a game. There's nothing that i don't like about him but it's easy to put up big numbers there. It wouldn't surprise me if he was great or struggled.

Well, last time I checked we put it up between 35-50 times a game, so shouldn't that translate well?

 

[splitsecond]

Yeah, no Shane. Crabtree isn't Mike Williams or Carlos Rogers. He's the complete package. And a hard worker. He reminds me of a faster, touch less physical Q.

And we have NO shot at getting him. He'll be a top 5-7 pick, and I don't see Q going for a pick that high in a million years. A late first this year and a first in 10, sure. But if someone is in Crabtree range on the board, they won't be looking for an older, experienced and tougher version they'll have to pay more money too.

A guy can dream though. I'm just hoping he stays the EF out of the NFC West.

Well, I think Seattle might bite, but who knows. They need a WR and would LOVE to use Q against us.

 

[anks106]

NONE of those are worthwhile. Sorry.

okay, then what do you want for him?

 

[D-Dogg]

i think it's hard to rate Crabtree as a prospect because his number are so out of whack because they throw 75 times a game. There's nothing that i don't like about him but it's easy to put up big numbers there. It wouldn't surprise me if he was great or struggled.

It isn't his numbers I'm infatuated with. It's his play. Numbers are numbers, but that guy is just sick skilled with the perfect NFL frame and a hard worker. And the fact he has been hobbled a lot of this year shows me a lot, since he's still been productive. I mean, if you are going to replace Q with a WR (which we shouldn't, I'm just talkin' here) then you definitely don't want a bitch...you want a guy who MAKES people his bitch. That's what Crabtree does.

/soapbox

I want to get a pass rusher/center/running back...trading Q will get us one of them, and we'll get one of the others with our first pick.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Crabtree is probably going to get drafted about where Calvin Johnson did but i think CJ was a much better prospect,as was Fitz. But he is easily the #1 WR this year. But it's not that great of year for WR's. I mean Jeremy Maclin is probably the #2 guy and to me he's got bust written all over him. Of course, that now makes him one the favorites for OROY .

 

[Unsterblich856]

Do we really need Crabtree? We already have two proven guys with Fitz and Breaston and Q's replacement with Doucet.

I say we trade Q to the Redskins for their 1st and Carlos Rodgers.

 

[anks106]

Do we really need Crabtree? We already have two proven guys with Fitz and Breaston and Q's replacement with Doucet.

I say we trade Q to the Redskins for their 1st and Carlos Rodgers.

Now that is an excellent idea.

 

[Shogun]

I posted a football related repsonse unlike the one above you felt the need to post..

I guess it just falls under the category of I post back to outrageous comments and yours just seem to always be the most out there.. I just consider the other options you made after the first as a diversion to make it seem like you werent a Q hater..

Just because I never drank the Q Kool-Aid and felt Fitz was the better receiver I'm a Q hater? Riiiiight.

But then again.. You felt the need to signal me out under your avatar.. So who's really infatuated with who here?Or maybe your trying to get me banned who knows.. All I know is that your allegations towards me are untrue..

Apparently you since out of nowhere prior to the SB, you post in a thread and rant about how I have an agenda and not a real fan. You started it. Or did you forget that while looking for more posts of mine to get after? If you want to disprove my allegations, just ignore my posts from here on out since they bother you so much.
Anyway, Jacksonville seems like a decent place to send him.

 

[D-Dogg]

Do we really need Crabtree? We already have two proven guys with Fitz and Breaston and Q's replacement with Doucet.

I say we trade Q to the Redskins for their 1st and Carlos Rodgers.

No, we don't. Not at all.

Just saying, that's the KIND of player I'd be happy to get for Q, but no...we don't need him. He'd be a luxury. Like I said, I want a RB/Center/Pass Rusher (add CB and TE) in the draft or FA. We don't need luxurys...we need depth and power and speed and ball control type players.

 

[Rats]

I would take either of those Big 12 guys over anyone in the Big 10 Cbus (just saying) but if we were to trade Q we should get a top pick and players that can get us back to the Show. If Q is traded then we have Fitz at 1, Breaston at 2 Ducet at 3 and Urban as 4. Still a top notch Wr corp and we have won with out Q. Go and get guys that can help now and draft a top RB so we do not have to throw 50 times a game. Really like the idea of Oaklands 1 and Zach Miller but we could probably get Chase Kaufman in the late 2nd or 3rd round depending on his Combine workout. He could fill our TE need if we dump Pope and just keep Spach (if healthy) and Patrick.

 

[Gee!]

Just because I never drank the Q Kool-Aid and felt Fitz was the better receiver I'm a Q hater? Riiiiight.

Apparently you since out of nowhere prior to the SB, you post in a thread and rant about how I have an agenda and not a real fan. You started it. Or did you forget that while looking for more posts of mine to get after? If you want to disprove my allegations, just ignore my posts from here on out since they bother you so much.
Anyway, Jacksonville seems like a decent place to send him.

Just stop.. No one is out to get you.. Your looking foolish.. And consider the source of who is saying this to you..

 

[azsouthendzone]

Man this sucks. It is probable Q will be gone. I think he goes draft weekend what would you guys like to see for him if the Cards were to trade him? I have a couple

Q to MIA for Channing Crowder and their 2nd and 5th picks

Q to PHL for Lito Sheppard and PHL's 2nd

Are you serious? Those are probably the worst trade scenarios I have ever seen. The Cards will dictate what they get in the deal not vice versa. These deals are basically equal to getting raped in prison. Lito Sheppard will probably get released by the Eagles.

 

[LittleDavis]

I have zero sympathy for Q and his contract feelings.. I do sympathize for Dansby though.. Just an example of the differences of who should get paid for the reasons they are going through it..

I can't sympathize with Dansby...he just got paid 9mil.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Really like the idea of Oaklands 1 and Zach Miller .

That is a real trade scenario.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I would take either of those Big 12 guys over anyone in the Big 10 Cbus (just saying) but if we were to trade Q we should get a top pick and players that can get us back to the Show. If Q is traded then we have Fitz at 1, Breaston at 2 Ducet at 3 and Urban as 4. Still a top notch Wr corp and we have won with out Q. Go and get guys that can help now and draft a top RB so we do not have to throw 50 times a game. Really like the idea of Oaklands 1 and Zach Miller but we could probably get Chase Kaufman in the late 2nd or 3rd round depending on his Combine workout. He could fill our TE need if we dump Pope and just keep Spach (if healthy) and Patrick.

I wouldn't take any Big 10 WR's either. I don't think Robiskie will do anything at the pro level.Derrick Williams is the only other guy who comes to mind and he'sothing special. I think the best,biggest impact, WR from this draft will be Percy Harvin if he can stay healthy.

 

[Gee!]

I can't sympathize with Dansby...he just got paid 9mil.

How Q and Dansby are going about it are two different ways and thats what I was trying to say..

 

[Divide Et Impera]

WAS#1/Rogers and OAK#1/Miller are the greatest trade ideas here. I'm all in on either....

 

[IAWarnerFan]

WAS#1/Rogers and OAK#1/Miller are the greatest trade ideas here. I'm all in on either....

Miller over Gonzalez???

 

[joeshmo]

I am sorry but these player for player trades being discussed are nothing but fantasy. Don’t get me wrong though I don’t want to completely stop the discussion because it is fun to think about. But Player for player trades are few and far between and only happen under certain conditions –

1. Bottom of the roster type guys. Like a 3rd TE for a 8th on the depth chart OL.
2. Unhappy player/contract situation for unhappy player/contract situation. Example – Both Portis and Bailey were due to get big pay days so instead of paying them they decided to trade for a player they were willing to pay.
3. Teams are not going to trade one player creating a need just to fill another need. They still end up having to fill a need, unless they have another player waiting in the wings, again like Denver trading Portis.

So these trades with Zach Miller, Rodgers, Nelson and others who are happy players and their teams are happy with them have a xero percent chance of happening. If you still wish to find a highly unlikely scenario of player for player trade then guys who are disgruntled or looking for new contracts are the only way you can go and look semi-nonfantastical. Players such as Sheppard, guys who get franchised, and so on. But you also have to consider that players contract demands as well, and ask if the Cards would actually give that traded player the contract they are looking for, which would rule out a franchised CB from the Raiders.

Any realistic trade for Boldin will not involve us getting any players in return. That chances of that is 1%. Cue the, “so your saying there is a chance” jokes.

Also unless Jax completely changes the way they do business there is no way they want Boldin and the contract they will have to pony up to get him. Jax is one of the cheapest teams in the league.

Also when was the last time a top 10 pick was traded for a player. First those picks are worth a lot more then people give them credit for, just look at how moany times teams have willingly gave up or traded up into the top 10. Second, do the Cards really want the burden of having to pay and sign in time another top 10 pick?

The teams with the highest possibility of us trading with are the ones who have shown in the past to not be afraid to trade draft picks for players and teams with multiple draft picks as of right now before comp picks are dealt. Those teams are –

Miami – Multiple top 3 round picks and Parcells isn’t afraid to trade at all.
Philly – Multiple picks and Ried and McNabb once again crying for weapons. Also they wanted him last year.
Ravens – GM not afraid to make moves.
Giants – multiple draft picks, big time need at WR, not sure if their GM is prone to making deals though.
Lions – 5 picks in the top 82. Would we really do that to Boldin?
Packers – Multiple picks, but doubtful we want or they are willing to give up the #9 pick.

 

[cgolden]

I didn't want to start a new thread to ask this one question here, so I'll shoe horn it in here.

What if Warner lays down the law and says that he and Q are a package deal? Basically what if Warner says, I'm leaning to retirement unless Q is back in AZ and he's happy?

Would he do that and would that kill any Q trade talk? Would that make the Cardinals more likely to pony up to Q?

 

[Unsterblich856]

Miller over Gonzalez???

BRING IN MILLER AT ANY COST! And I'm not saying that because I went to the same high school as him...oh wait, yes I am.