The roof will be OPEN !!!

[dreamcastrocks]

What he said that he could tell it wasn't as loud so home field wasn't as much of as advantage as when it is closed. He would prefer it closed but no one asks him.

So again which is it:

1) My personal experience at the stadium trumps what players and coaches say impacts our home field advantage.

2) I do not believe the science behind why it is louder with roof closed "IE I never use my "inside voice"

3) I do not believe that noise impacts the game at all.

I think there's a 4th option, although it plays into some of your others. I think it's open for purely cosmetic reasons--it's nice outside and it's Thursday night football. Fans love the game of football but the owners are still selling a product. If having it open sells the Cardinals for more prime time games I'm all for it.

For the record, I do believe that having the roof closed gives an very slight advantage in most circumstances..... but

There are way more than 3 or 4th options here. It isn't that cut and dry at all. There are so many reasons as to WHY having the roof creates any sort of home field advantage. Yes we statistically have had about a 15% better win percentage with the roof closed.

With that said, you can't say empirically one way or another HOW MUCH of an advantage that it is or at all. Yes you can say that it is louder when the roof is closed, and that is true; it isn't the roof itself causing the noise though. How much noise is actually escaping from the stadium? What % of the fans are in attendance are Cards fans when the roof is closed vs open? How many of those fans make noise? How many fans had a bad day before they got to the stadium? Then you have to factor in indirect variables that affect the noise. What is happening in the game that is causing the fans to make noise in the first place? How good is the team? How good is the team on that particular day? There are so many factors I haven't even bothered to post, or that I couldn't even think of.

Arguing this as cut and dry as you are making it is akin to arguing for heads on a coinflip because the last 60/100 times it has been heads without factoring in WHY.

What we need is a poll! Only those that actually attend games will be allowed to vote.

Sigh. Seeing something from afar, from different angles, and recorded isn't a viable way to finding out how many people were in the stands. We shouldn't have instant replay, we should just let the refs on the field decide.
(yes I realize this post was mostly tongue in cheek, but I'm in a mood.)

I think this entire debate is 100% ridiculous. I go to all the games and was there last night of course. I sit 11 rows off the field on the Cardinals side of the field. And I maintain that there is NO, as in NONE, difference in noise when the roof is open vs closed. None!
For the record, I much prefer the roof open.
Last night was incredibly loud and electric! I would peg the Vikes fans at roughly 12k. But they were easily handled by the home team fans who were rockin last night!!

 

[DeAnna]

Yes we statistically have had about a 15% better win percentage with the roof closed:

I still contend that the team was 15% better in terms of talent and/or effort. Nothing to do with the roof.

 

[BigRedRage]

For the record, I do believe that having the roof closed gives an very slight advantage in most circumstances..... but

There are way more than 3 or 4th options here. It isn't that cut and dry at all. There are so many reasons as to WHY having the roof creates any sort of home field advantage. Yes we statistically have had about a 15% better win percentage with the roof closed.

With that said, you can't say empirically one way or another HOW MUCH of an advantage that it is or at all. Yes you can say that it is louder when the roof is closed, and that is true; it isn't the roof itself causing the noise though. How much noise is actually escaping from the stadium? What % of the fans are in attendance are Cards fans when the roof is closed vs open? How many of those fans make noise? How many fans had a bad day before they got to the stadium? Then you have to factor in indirect variables that affect the noise. What is happening in the game that is causing the fans to make noise in the first place? How good is the team? How good is the team on that particular day? There are so many factors I haven't even bothered to post, or that I couldn't even think of.

Arguing this as cut and dry as you are making it is akin to arguing for heads on a coinflip because the last 60/100 times it has been heads without factoring in WHY.



Sigh. Seeing something from afar, from different angles, and recorded isn't a viable way to finding out how many people were in the stands. We shouldn't have instant replay, we should just let the refs on the field decide.
(yes I realize this post was mostly tongue in cheek, but I'm in a mood.)

maybe the roof open causes more excitement and the people get louder than normal and it leads to the same noise level

 

[dreamcastrocks]

maybe the roof open causes more excitement and the people get louder than normal and it leads to the same noise level

Exactly, that is one of the points I almost put in there, but decided not too. There are so many variables to say if/how much of an advantage it is.

 

[D-Dogg]

While there were a ton of vikes fans, they were more evenly distributed this game than previous ones. There weren't a lot of clusters of purple, but a lot of purple sprinkled throughout the red. They got loud..ish. But they were drowned out easily by the Red Sea. And yes, I saw a lot of them yelling like banshees when their team was on offense, so they helped us keep it loud for the D.