The roof will be OPEN !!!

[Brian in Mesa]

He's hard headed and stubborn and won't give in..

Even though the winning % with it open compared to closed which is a helluva indicator tells you what it is..

Even though the coach himself says its louder and makes a difference…. etc.. etc… You're wasting your breath..

Sure am.

Open or closed, I am going to be there cheering/yelling until I have no voice.

You cannot say the results would be any different had the roof been closed during any of those losses. It is an impossibility, as I described earlier.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Did he confirm that they have a harder time winning a game because it's open?

What he said that he could tell it wasn't as loud so home field wasn't as much of as advantage as when it is closed. He would prefer it closed but no one asks him.

So again which is it:

1) My personal experience at the stadium trumps what players and coaches say impacts our home field advantage.

2) I do not believe the science behind why it is louder with roof closed "IE I never use my "inside voice"

3) I do not believe that noise impacts the game at all.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You cannot say the results would be any different had the roof been closed during any of those losses. It is an impossibility, as I described earlier.

So your answer is:

I do not believe the noise level has any impact, no matter how small, on the opposing team.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

This is ridiculous. If you have a greater home-field advantage with the roof closed, you should use it. Most teams don't have the ability to maximize their home field advantage - it is what it is. But if you have the ability to maximize it, it's foolish not to use it.

Well, Kurt Warner bitched and moaned and the Cardinals kept it shut. I guess there are no prima donnas on this team that have pushed the issue that far...

Well then you've got your head in the sand. That's like saying there's no way to know whether penicillin cures disease unless you have the exact same person given penicillin and not given penicillin. The difference in winning percentage with the roof open vs. closed is large and obviously statistically significant. The burden is on the "roof deniers" to come up with some other believable explanation for the discrepancy.

...dbs

You can only compare games where the roof could have been opened, but was closed vs. games where the roof was open. Then, looking at those games - try and show how the status of the roof impacted the end result. Not possible. It's all pure speculation.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

LOL

Geez, we should have beaten the Rams at UOP this year. The roof was closed after all.

Again this is a strawman.

So as you were at the game, how many times did you make noise on third down when the Rams had the ball?

If it was the majority of the time (though I suspect it was every time), why?

 

[DeAnna]

That's like saying there's no way to know whether penicillin cures disease unless you have the exact same person given penicillin and not given penicillin. The difference in winning percentage with the roof open vs. closed is large and obviously statistically significant. The burden is on the "roof deniers" to come up with some other believable explanation for the discrepancy.

Schrodinger's Cat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Then, looking at those games - try and show how the status of the roof impacted the end result. Not possible. It's all pure speculation.

So you believe that it is "Speculation" that noise impacts a defenses ability to effectively communicate.

Or

Is it that you believe that the ability for a team to communicate has no impact on their ability to be successful?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Schrodinger's Cat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

Do you cheer/make noise when the opposing team is on third down? If yes, then why?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So your answer is:

I do not believe the noise level has any impact, no matter how small, on the opposing team.

I believe we can make a difference. We were at plenty of games at SDS with the place 1/3 full and we were able to make enough noise to cause a false start or a timeout by the other team.

There are so many factors in play that you cannot simply point to the roof.

These late season games vs. opponents with large fan bases are also notorious for home team fans selling their seats to the opposition. THAT reduces the noise level a heck of a lot more than an open or closed roof, IMHO.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Do you cheer/make noise when the opposing team is on third down? If yes, then why?

Are you kidding me right now?

I cheer/make noise on 1st down, 2nd down, 3rd down, 4th down, a punt return, a FG attempt, a 2 pt attempt, a PAT, etc when the other team has the ball.

Most fans sit on their hands until it is 3rd down - like you are describing. I never understood that.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

These late season games vs. opponents with large fan bases are also notorious for home team fans selling their seats to the opposition. THAT reduces the noise level a heck of a lot more than an open or closed roof, IMHO.

I agree. Part of why I didn't sell my tickets. I don't want to be part of that problem.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Are you kidding me right now?

I cheer/make noise on 1st down, 2nd down, 3rd down, 4th down, a punt return, a FG attempt, a 2 pt attempt, a PAT, etc when the other team has the ball.

Most fans sit on their hands until it is 3rd down - like you are describing. I never understood that.

Hah me too, but not when my team is on offense.

Because it does matter. Every voice matters.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Again this is a strawman.

So as you were at the game, how many times did you make noise on third down when the Rams had the ball?

If it was the majority of the time (though I suspect it was every time), why?

Are you just a fan on 3rd down? I make noise whenever the other team has the ball - regardless of the roof being open or closed.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Are you just a fan on 3rd down? I make noise whenever the other team has the ball - regardless of the roof being open or closed.

No I yell pretty much the whole time and get irritated when others don't. I roll the little program into a funnel because they won't let me bring my funnel in anymore.

All because it is part of the home field advantage.

Look if you would rather say it is worth giving up a part (no matter how small) of the room being open and the home field advantage it gives because of what you like personally, that I understand.

It goes the same with selling your tickets. Those people are willing to sacrifice a small part of the home field advantage for a personal reason.

Just don't try to pretend that we aren't giving something up when people don't yell on downs, sell tickets, or leave the roof open. It's all inter-related (no matter how fractionally)

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Hah me too, but not when my team is on offense.

Because it does matter. Every voice matters.

Good to hear.

Sure wish we could get more fans that understood this - and then NOT cheer when we have the ball.

 

[Bert]

Just from a non committed to either side standpoint, it is an interesting question though.

Players in the past (Kurt) have said they prefer it closed. Then BA made it pretty clear that he wants it closed... So why is it open? Like, who makes that decision? I mean I really doubt that if BA went to Mike and said hey we want the roof closed, can you really see Mike saying NO I dont care if we win the stadium looks better with it open!!!!

It is kindof perplexing. Not debating the decision just more who makes the decision and I would be fascinated to hear the reasoning behind it. Is someone really disregarding the testimony of players and coaches and keeping it open purely for aesthetic purposes?

 

[ajcardfan]

Players in the past (Kurt) have said they prefer it closed. Then BA made it pretty clear that he wants it closed... So why is it open? Like, who makes that decision? I mean I really doubt that if BA went to Mike and said hey we want the roof closed, can you really see Mike saying NO I dont care if we win the stadium looks better with it open!!!!

I know I heard that it's basically a TV decision when the weather is comfortable for it to be open AND if it is a national broadcast. I heard they like it open when it is a night game, better visuals, and the team accommodates for the national broadcast.

 

[WildBB]

We will get The W no matter what.

 

[BigRedRage]

So it is the same as BIM.

"My personal experience is more important than maximizing the home field advantage"

I think you are simply the most passionate roof aficionado there is is all it boils down to. Obviously the roof being closed is very important to you, thats ok.

I like open air football, I am sorry that bothers you so much but I am not going to change that I like open air football just because you think I should. I really think this is a silly subject to get so worked up over.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think you are simply the most passionate roof aficionado there is is all it boils down to. Obviously the roof being closed is very important to you, thats ok.

I like open air football, I am sorry that bothers you so much but I am not going to change that I like open air football just because you think I should. I really think this is a silly subject to get so worked up over.

You really feel like the sun roof gives the feel of open air? It's barely noticeable to me.

I too think it's dumb to open it up because of noise. Then again, I also think the sunroof is stupid also. Shoulda gone full retractable if it that was way they decided to go.

 

[BigRedRage]

You really feel like the sun roof gives the feel of open air? It's barely noticeable to me.

I too think it's dumb to open it up because of noise. Then again, I also think the sunroof is stupid also. Shoulda gone full retractable if it that was way they decided to go.

I would prefer full retractable but I'll take anything. It is what it is since we live in the swaths of hell and it was the only way to get people to come to games in september and october.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think you are simply the most passionate roof aficionado there is is all it boils down to. Obviously the roof being closed is very important to you, thats ok.

I like open air football, I am sorry that bothers you so much but I am not going to change that I like open air football just because you think I should. I really think this is a silly subject to get so worked up over.

Actually I can accept that answer.

What was driving me crazy was the refusal to admit it doesn't matter. It does matter. Some just choose to make their personal preferences higher.

 

[BigRedRage]

Actually I can accept that answer.

What was driving me crazy was the refusal to admit it doesn't matter. It does matter. Some just choose to make their personal preferences higher.

I think it is loud enough to still set a heavy advantage regardless. Even if less loud, its loud as hell.

 

[Dude]

Win loss stats for a roof on a team with what will be it's fourth wining season out of ten. Two of those winning seasons came under Warner who had that baby closed for business. How do you account for the wins at that start of last year and the losses towards the end? On the roof? Plus it's only open at best half the year. Plus most of that half we aren't playing for anything but draft picks or trying to see what we have for next year. Love me some worthless stats.

I don't like it open I like it indoors. But please, you have to take into consideration how good the team we played was plus how good of a team we had at the time. Or like the Green Bay beat down week 17 in 09. I don't think the roof had anything to do with that game or the win the next week against the same team. IMO the noise level is the same. IMO if it matters at all we are in big trouble.

 

[Bert]

I had a convertible once but the retractable roof quit working. I think the Cardinals just want to wear theirs out before the warranty expires


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