The Suns Need To Draft A Rebounder

[George O'Brien]

If McCarty is on the roster next year, I don't see a need for Graham, Warrick, etc. I can't see the Suns having Marion, Richardson, Johnson, Jackson, McCarty, AND Graham (Barbosa can play the 2 as well). I'd prefer either Graham (or any other 3/4) or McCarty, not both. Keeping McCarty, I would asume a PG or a 4/5 would be needed most.

I'd agree. McCarty appears to be another three point specialist in the D'Antoni scheme, so he might get another year. But he is not much of rebounder and I can't see him doing much at the 4 slot.

 

[coloradosun]

If McCarty is on the roster next year, I don't see a need for Graham, Warrick, etc. I can't see the Suns having Marion, Richardson, Johnson, Jackson, McCarty, AND Graham (Barbosa can play the 2 as well). I'd prefer either Graham (or any other 3/4) or McCarty, not both. Keeping McCarty, I would asume a PG or a 4/5 would be needed most.

The benefit of all of these guys is that they all can play 2 or more positions.

McCarty could play the 3 or 4, I'll call him a weak 4
Graham could play the 3 or 4, his profile calls him a strong 3

McCarty could give minutes to Amare
Graham could give minutes to Marion

They are two totally different players.

I just got done watching parts of two Big East games today, don't know why they had both matchups on in Big 12 country though. Here are some comparisons I had with current players

Charlie Villanueva=Derrick Coleman
Josh Boone=Joe Smith
Rudy Gay=Ray Allen
Hakim Warrick=Stromile Smith

Torin Francis=Antonio McDyess
Chris Taft=Zack Randolph

I think Francis has a lot of potential and averages 8 rebounds a game.

One guy that impressed me was Chevon Troutman of Pittsburgh, he quietly averaging 15 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block and shooting 60% from the field, he's a sleeper.

 

[PhxGametime]

The benefit of all of these guys is that they all can play 2 or more positions.

McCarty could play the 3 or 4, I'll call him a weak 4
Graham could play the 3 or 4, his profile calls him a strong 3

McCarty could give minutes to Amare
Graham could give minutes to Marion

One guy that impressed me was Chevon Troutman of Pittsburgh, he quietly averaging 15 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block and shooting 60% from the field, he's a sleeper.

The problem I have with keeping McCarty and Graham if McCarty/Marion give minutes to Amare; Graham to Marion; there's not much time for Richardson, Johnson, and Jackson at the 2 or Nash, Barbosa, and Diener at the 1. There really won't be that many injuries - Barbosa would need to play the 2 to get a decent amount of minutes, sharing with Diener. Q, JJ, or JJ would then need some minutes at 3, etc.


I wouldn't mind Graham or keeping McCarty but I'd prefer choosing 1 and then if it's McCarty... a F/C that can share minutes at the 4 and 5. Eight players that can play the 1-3 positions is a lot on 1 team (9 if Suns Draft Diener or add Vujanic). I don't mind skillball but I really liked the smallball days of Antonio McDyess and Cliff Roibnson (2 athletic PF's) more-so than having 4 G/F's play the Power Forward position.


Troutman is another PF than can make the 3PTer and was moving up my Draftboard, he just started making the 3PTer (I'm not sure how many he's up too) but I don't think he has too many and there's a few others (Frye, Paul Davis: 5 last year, Kickert, Wilkinson, etc.) that have capability of making that shot. All seniors but Davis I believe, Frye being a good defender of bunch.

I'd prefer another PF that can play C if Suns keep McCarty or adding a PG. The positions that can earn minutes and take over if Stoudemire or Nash are out... McCarty and another 3/4 is risky?

 

[Evil Ash]

The Suns Need to Draft a Rebounder

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[coloradosun]

I'd prefer another PF that can play C if Suns keep McCarty or adding a PG. The positions that can earn minutes and take over if Stoudemire or Nash are out... McCarty and another 3/4 is risky?

What is your take on Torin Francis, only saw a few minutes of the Pittsburgh/ND game yesterday, but I think he may be the 4/5 your looking for. He is 6'11 and mobile, his scoring average is down to 8.5 this season from 12.0 over his first two, not sure the cause and effect of that. If he does declare, he could fall to the middle of the first round because of an off year.

If JJ does resign, and we get Graham and a pt. guard like Diener in the second, I would not be opposed to trading Barbosa or the rights to Vujanic (what ever suits the trading partner) for either Frye or Francis.

Also Voskuhl may have some trade value next summer because of his expiring contract, package Voskuhl and Vujanic together.

 

[Chaz]

Won't getting and playing a rebound specialist negatively impact our offensive attack?

My guess is Detroit's front office is saying "Man, we dominate in every way but lose to Phoenix even when they play slow because of those stinking three pointers. Maybe we should go get a couple of long range shooters."

It's all relative. There are many ways to win.

Great point. First of all the they need to be a player. The whole style and idea of the Suns is forget standard positions and put 5 guys on the floor that are a threat to score and run. I see other teams all the time pass up and open 15 footer because the guy can't shoot from there or have guys that can't get up the floor.

They need the NBA eqivalent of BPA. Draft the best player available, forget about positions.

A guy that can rebound and score inside? Isn't that what everyone wants?

 

[elindholm]

I see other teams all the time pass up and open 15 footer because the guy can't shoot from there or have guys that can't get up the floor.

Or because the coach is screaming at them to "get the ball inside," regardless of what the defense is giving them.

 

[PhxGametime]

I was high on Torin Francis for awhile but he had surgery on his back and stats slipped last 2 years... I will try to find my post on Draft ranking's I do every year. My ranking's are my own, so they're probably not very good. I did have Dwyane Wade pegged as #5 Prospect, I was really high on him, more-so than a Mock Draft. Even though I did one of those some year, it was pathetic...

To start off season, I had him in the top 5 PF's but I'm not sure how bad injury was - stats took a hit. I haven't watched Notre Dame for awhile, I might look back at stats. Want to see how bad I fared in Ranking's...

 

[PhxGametime]

I had Torin Francis at #41 I believe in 2004 (injured) and I didn't have him in 2003 listed (which he had a really good year as freshman). I can't believe how low I had Tony Allen Oh well.

 

[PhxGametime]

He only averaged 11 as freshman but that's pretty impressive. He played against or on the same team as Amare Stoudemire and played well in McDonald's. He can shoot on perimeter, only 1 3PTer in career though but he has the body type that would fit well on team and rebounds numbers have been solid in career.

Back injury is really only worry but Wayne Simien has injury problems in past as well. On ESPN, it says numbers went down due to lack of shot attempts but he started off season slow and didn't look quite as effective to begin season. I was watching 1 game, I didn't tape I believe and he got some athleticism back but he was a stud first two years. I was looking for him to dominate but his team added Dennis Latimore as well...

I want to watch Taj Gray 1 more time. Sharrod Ford is pretty decent but I just don't have much gamefilm of him.

 

[coloradosun]

I want to watch Taj Gray 1 more time. Sharrod Ford is pretty decent but I just don't have much gamefilm of him.

Taj Gray has looked good all season, the only thing that bothers me is that he is not a quick leaper. Seems slow to react on rebounds.

Danny Granger had another good game last night. CSU radio carried it and I tuned in with 10 minutes left in the first half and he had 12 points.

 

[coloradosun]

Just saw this in the realgm forum

www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=349679


Joey Graham, the monster on the boards that the Suns could use.

 

[George O'Brien]

The difference between the Rocket game and the Nuggets game (besides the Suns shooting so badly against Houston) was rebounding. Against the Rockets, the Suns were outrebounded 56-38. Against the Nuggets, the Suns had a 58-41 advantages (led by 15 rebounds by Marion, 11 by Johnson, and 9 by Stoudemire).

Unfortunately, the Suns do not have much rebounding off the bench. Hunter had only 2 rebounds tonight in 12 minutes. McCarty was only a little better at 3 in 10, but he averages only 2.3 rpg in 16.2 minutes a game which is not very impressive.

I'd like to have a rebounding monster off the bench for these games when the refs don't call fouls.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I am very hesitant to add some of these players from the Northeast ( Boone, Villanueva, Warrick), I just don't think they have good work ethics, take Carmelo Anthony for example, IMO he is the anti-LeBron.
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that's a gross overgeneralization based on 'melo and MAYBE villanueva. both boone and warrick are consistently lauded for their hardwork.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The benefit of all of these guys is that they all can play 2 or more positions.

McCarty could play the 3 or 4, I'll call him a weak 4
Graham could play the 3 or 4, his profile calls him a strong 3

McCarty could give minutes to Amare
Graham could give minutes to Marion

They are two totally different players.

I just got done watching parts of two Big East games today, don't know why they had both matchups on in Big 12 country though. Here are some comparisons I had with current players

Charlie Villanueva=Derrick Coleman
Josh Boone=Joe Smith
Rudy Gay=Ray Allen
Hakim Warrick=Stromile Smith

Torin Francis=Antonio McDyess
Chris Taft=Zack Randolph

I think Francis has a lot of potential and averages 8 rebounds a game.

One guy that impressed me was Chevon Troutman of Pittsburgh, he quietly averaging 15 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block and shooting 60% from the field, he's a sleeper.

francis is not the athlete that dice was coming out of college. and troutman is gonna be too small at the next level and doesn't have the athleticism to make up for it.