The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[GatorAZ]

I don't get Bickley. Why does that guy have a job? He is annoying, arrogant, and his opinions are horrible. He doesn't even like Phoenix.

I don’t mind him when paired with Vince. I’ve never followed his writing though.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have nothing against Doncic, I just think an Ayton and Young pairing fits our needs better. And it would likely be a more cost effective way to fill out our team than going after Ayton and Doncic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have nothing against Doncic, I just think an Ayton and Young pairing fits our needs better. And it would likely be a more cost effective way to fill out our team than going after Ayton and Doncic.

It may be. Even that would be a major accomplishment. I just think Young is more of a defensive liability than Doncic. Young is a better shooter, passing is about the same. Doncic is physical and will mix it up as a rebounder. Doncic is just a more versatile piece.

It would be interesting to know what Igor thinks. I don't think he would choose the worse player just because he knows him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It may be. Even that would be a major accomplishment. I just think Young is more of a defensive liability than Doncic. Young is a better shooter, passing is about the same. Doncic is physical and will mix it up as a rebounder. Doncic is just a more versatile piece.

It would be interesting to know what Igor thinks. I don't think he would choose the worse player just because he knows him.

You're making a point about Doncic perhaps being a better player, I'm talking about fit. With Warren, Jackson, Bender and Chriss, I don't see forward as our major need. We need a primary ball-handler than can distribute, shoot and drive/score.

 

[Phrazbit]

The only thing I hate about this is I almost ALWAYS think Cooper is dumber than a bag of hammers and hope my teams never listen to him.

Only telling this story because I'm 2 1/2 sheets to the wind... But Bruce Cooper is a really really good guy. When I was 12 (mid 90s) I broke my femur 6 ways from Sunday, I had to go to physical therapy, Bruce Cooper was there rehabbing from what, I think, was a knee surgery, but he was already a big time local sports guy. Anyway, during rehab I had a setback... to say the least, I re-fractured my femur while at rehab. He wasn't there, but he heard about it, knew I was a Suns fan and set it up where I got tickets to 4 games, a dufflebag full of Suns memorabilia and an autographed ball by the entire '94 Suns team.

Love ya Bruce!!!

But he might not make a good GM.

 

[devilalum]

And if he were lighter, you'd call him "not strong enough."

I'd rather see him add some weight. 240lb guard is going to be more difficult to guard than a 220lb one.

Slow white overweight wing.
Yeah, that sounds good.


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[devilalum]

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All those accolades with the prefix Euro.
Isn’t this like being the AA batting champion?
Might be a good thing, might mean nothing at all.


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[overseascardfan]

I feel that Doncic’s athleticism is enhanced by what I feel is a general league full of unathletic players compared to Doncic. He won’t be able to hide that in the NBA, there are too many athletic defenders to exploit him. Ayton’s strength is his athleticism for a player his size, most post defenders will have trouble with him. Some analyst mentioned that Doncic will have to guard wings in the NBA so he doesn’t get exploited as much on defense, you would have to have Jackson check PGs throughout the game.

Again, barring any injury issues Ayton is the #1 pick. It’s much easier to find a PG than elite big in the NBA.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't get Bickley. Why does that guy have a job? He is annoying, arrogant, and his opinions are horrible. He doesn't even like Phoenix.

Bickley writes an article about Towns but disregards the contract implications. That is the only reason I read the article.

Sad mistake on my part.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1534623/bickley-trade-no-1-towns-suns-leverage-incentive-booker/

 

[Mainstreet]

You're making a point about Doncic perhaps being a better player, I'm talking about fit. With Warren, Jackson, Bender and Chriss, I don't see forward as our major need. We need a primary ball-handler than can distribute, shoot and drive/score.

I'm not locked into moving up to draft Doncic but I would love to see a Booker-Doncic back court.

 

[AZCrazy]

Slow white overweight wing.
Yeah, that sounds good.


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I think he's a little more than that. He's the best player on an entire continent of 750 million people, as a teenager.

Doesn't mean I think we take him, but he's not a brushoff. He could play 1, 2, or 3 on an as needed basis.

Now here's a question for X's and O's guys since his defense is the debated point - does a player have to play the same position on O as he does on D? Meaning, even if he brings the ball up the court as a distributor, does he have to guard the 1 coming back the other way, or can he play wing on defense and let Jackson smother the 1?

 

[Raindog]

Now here's a question for X's and O's guys since his defense is the debated point - does a player have to play the same position on O as he does on D? Meaning, even if he brings the ball up the court as a distributor, does he have to guard the 1 coming back the other way, or can he play wing on defense and let Jackson smother the 1?

Of course, you can switch Jackson off on defense. But the problem is now you have a potential mismatch with Jackson guarding a PG AND Doncic possibly guarding an athletic SF. It's s slightly better situation, but while JJ is a better athlete, there's no guarantee he is completely effective guarding a smaller/quicker man... and you still have the potential mismatch at SF, even if it is a better match for Doncic. Not to mention the potential issues it causes in regular defensive switches.

Why not just err on the side of caution and have a lineup of clear matchups? Why play guys out of position just to have a "tall" point guard? If that were so easy and not such a potential mess, every team would have a tall/quick wing that could handle the ball a little playing PG. And yet, virtually no one in the history of the league ever has, with one or two exceptions. And the truth is, Doncic is far from being so special that he justifies it. Wherever he ends up, he will be playing in a conventional SF slot the very vast majority of his time on the court.

 

[TJ]

Bickley writes an article about Towns but disregards the contract implications. That is the only reason I read the article.

Sad mistake on my part.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1534623/bickley-trade-no-1-towns-suns-leverage-incentive-booker/

Click bait. Not even going to waste my bandwidth reading that article.

Part hack reporting, part anti-UofA persona

 

[Dan H]

Found this interesting:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...n-luka-doncic-if-hes-not-picked-no-1-by-suns/

One could argue if the guy's not good enough to be a lock #2 pick, you shouldn't pick him at #1, either.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wherever he ends up, he will be playing in a conventional SF slot the very vast majority of his time on the court.

I don't see Point Guard in his future but I wouldn't restrict him to primarily being a traditional SF either. In fact, I think he could be a stretch 4 in the right offense. And I think he'll be a plus defender at either forward spot against most match-ups.

 

[Raindog]

And I think he'll be a plus defender at either forward spot against most match-ups.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that point. I think he is too small to guard fours, and will likely have a difficult time against quicker threes. For example, can you see him staying on JJ? I can't. For whatever he may contribute on offense (and that is a matter of debate), I think he will always be negative on the defensive side of the court.

 

[Mainstreet]

Click bait. Not even going to waste my bandwidth reading that article.

Part hack reporting, part anti-UofA persona

So true. I read for content... not much there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bickley writes an article about Towns but disregards the contract implications. That is the only reason I read the article.

Sad mistake on my part.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1534623/bickley-trade-no-1-towns-suns-leverage-incentive-booker/

Anyone who writes for the NBA should always keep in mind that you don't actually trade players, you trade contracts. The contract and control balance with the ability of the player is what matters.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on that point. I think he is too small to guard fours, and will likely have a difficult time against quicker threes. For example, can you see him staying on JJ? I can't. For whatever he may contribute on offense (and that is a matter of debate), I think he will always be negative on the defensive side of the court.

I think you're underselling him but we'll see. I think there's a very good chance we'll get to watch Ayton dominate the league for us while we're watching Doncic excel elsewhere.

 

[Mainstreet]

Anyone who writes for the NBA should always keep in mind that you don't actually trade players, you trade contracts. The contract and control balance with the ability of the player is what matters.

This is the part of the article I particularly had a problem with.

..."He is only 22, and his rookie contract would give the Suns three years of control...."

Towns is under contract only for next season before he becomes a RFA. Technically correct but in the NBA one needs to look at seasons, the amount of his current contract and future contract.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1534623/bickley-trade-no-1-towns-suns-leverage-incentive-booker/

 

[Hoop Head]

Bickley writes an article about Towns but disregards the contract implications. That is the only reason I read the article.

Sad mistake on my part.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1534623/bickley-trade-no-1-towns-suns-leverage-incentive-booker/

It said that the Suns would have 3 years of control of Towns but that's not right. We'd have control next season but then he's a restricted free agent. So we could lose him after a year, although that is highly unlikely. That mistake shows that Bickley doesn't have a clue though.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bickley just said on the radio that he would give up #1, #16, next year's #1 and a player for Towns. Oh, and they cannot figure out how stupid fans are for not wanting that.

BTW. KAT's college stats.

10.3 pts, 6.7 rebounds, .250 from 3, 2.3 blocks. 21 mpg pt.

People are missing how dominant Ayton could be. KAT has exceeded expectations. But it is mistake to think that Ayton will underachieve.

 

[Hoop Head]

This is the part of the article I particularly had a problem with.

..."He is only 22, and his rookie contract would give the Suns three years of control...."

Towns is under contract only for next season before he becomes a RFA. Technically correct but in the NBA one needs to look at seasons, the amount of his current contract and future contract.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1534623/bickley-trade-no-1-towns-suns-leverage-incentive-booker/

That's not technically correct, we have 1 year of control, that's it. Once he's a RFA control is KAT's. He signs an offer sheet elsewhere or gets the Suns to open their checkbook. If he takes the 1 year tender we would get an extra year but wouldn't be in control, we'd be in a very bad place with him headed towards unrestricted free agency after 2 years here. Not sure where Bickley gets 3 years.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bickley just said on the radio that he would give up #1, #16, next year's #1 and a player for Towns. Oh, and they cannot figure out how stupid fans are for not wanting that.

BTW. KAT's college stats.

10.3 pts, 6.7 rebounds, .250 from 3, 2.3 blocks. 21 mpg pt.

People are missing how dominant Ayton could be. KAT has exceeded expectations. But it is mistake to think that Ayton will underachieve.

Yeeeeee-UCK!!!

 

[HeHasRosen]

Wow. I really hope this team isn't as stupid as some of its fan base and some of the people that cover it seem to be. This is why Arizona sports fans always get mocked. Most arent very knowledgeable. Sux to say but its just true