The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[Chaplin]

Wow. I really hope this team isn't as stupid as some of its fan base and some of the people that cover it seem to be. This is why Arizona sports fans always get mocked. Most arent very knowledgeable. Sux to say but its just true

60 posts in and already insulting the board? Good on you!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Wow. I really hope this team isn't as stupid as some of its fan base and some of the people that cover it seem to be. This is why Arizona sports fans always get mocked. Most arent very knowledgeable. Sux to say but its just true

I am sorry, but the fans are smarter than Bickley, and he is from Chicago, not Phoenix. I for one, don't claim him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's not technically correct, we have 1 year of control, that's it. Once he's a RFA control is KAT's. He signs an offer sheet elsewhere or gets the Suns to open their checkbook. If he takes the 1 year tender we would get an extra year but wouldn't be in control, we'd be in a very bad place with him headed towards unrestricted free agency after 2 years here. Not sure where Bickley gets 3 years.

Are you sure that we can't give him a new contract or extension as part of the trade? I don't know one way or the other, it just seems to me we've seen that before.

 

[Hoop Head]

Wow. I really hope this team isn't as stupid as some of its fan base and some of the people that cover it seem to be. This is why Arizona sports fans always get mocked. Most arent very knowledgeable. Sux to say but its just true

So much this. Some idiot on twitter doesn't understand why the Suns can't sign Booker to the max this summer and KAT next summer and stagger their contracts. Tried explaining Booker's max won't kick in until after next season and he said that can't happen, it has to start when signed. Some people are clueless.

 

[HeHasRosen]

60 posts in and already insulting the board? Good on you!

Actually no thats why im here. This board is very intelligent and a lot on here know more thsn me. But looking around everywhere else seems like they want a trade for towns or doncic at #1

 

[Hoop Head]

Are you sure that we can't give him a new contract or extension as part of the trade? I don't know one way or the other, it just seems to me we've seen that before.

We can, but he'd be on the same deal as Booker. He'd come here eligible for a max extension with 1 year left before he's restricted. We could sign him to a max like Booker but having 2 players signed to max deals at the same time would hurt the Suns financially. As part of the trade though, we'd really only have 1 season before he could sign elsewhere when he's a restricted free agent.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We can, but he'd be on the same deal as Booker. He'd come here eligible for a max extension with 1 year left before he's restricted. We could sign him to a max like Booker but having 2 players signed to max deals at the same time would hurt the Suns financially. As part of the trade though, we'd really only have 1 season before he could sign elsewhere when he's a restricted free agent.

I'm okay with 2 max contracts coming at the same time, there's enough play in the salary cap to make that work. Especially since we'll have Bird Rights. As long as we stay away from the Super Max deal we should be okay. I'd still prefer Ayton but I won't go postal if we trade the pick straight up for KAT. Not that I think the Wolves would make that deal.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm okay with 2 max contracts coming at the same time, there's enough play in the salary cap to make that work. Especially since we'll have Bird Rights. As long as we stay away from the Super Max deal we should be okay. I'd still prefer Ayton but I won't go postal if we trade the pick straight up for KAT. Not that I think the Wolves would make that deal.

It wouldn't be ideal, to have 2 max deals running concurrently but it could work. Where we'd be limited is in the next 2 offseasons, this one included, we'd end up capped out and not have any space to add anyone else. It would be harder to manage and the more I think about it the more I'd rather have Ayton. Next summer they should have some cap space available but not if they trade for KAT and sign him to an extension. If we didn't sign him to an extension then why did we trade for him? I'd rather he not hit restricted free agency. I know we hold the cards but that doesn't mean that much. We saw Joe Johnson leave as a Restricted Free Agent and I'd hate to see that happen again.

 

[Dan H]

Bickley just said on the radio that he would give up #1, #16, next year's #1 and a player for Towns. Oh, and they cannot figure out how stupid fans are for not wanting that.

BTW. KAT's college stats.

10.3 pts, 6.7 rebounds, .250 from 3, 2.3 blocks. 21 mpg pt.

People are missing how dominant Ayton could be. KAT has exceeded expectations. But it is mistake to think that Ayton will underachieve.

Did they legalize crack in AZ? Because Bickley's smoking something.

 

[HeHasRosen]

It wouldn't be ideal, to have 2 max deals running concurrently but it could work. Where we'd be limited is in the next 2 offseasons, this one included, we'd end up capped out and not have any space to add anyone else. It would be harder to manage and the more I think about it the more I'd rather have Ayton. Next summer they should have some cap space available but not if they trade for KAT and sign him to an extension. If we didn't sign him to an extension then why did we trade for him? I'd rather he not hit restricted free agency. I know we hold the cards but that doesn't mean that much. We saw Joe Johnson leave as a Restricted Free Agent and I'd hate to see that happen again.

Just doesn't make sense when you can draft Ayton. Making the trade your saying that you dont think Ayton will be close to as good as KAT is. If Ayton is anywhere close in his first 2 years than your getting a bargain and much more flexibility when it comes to adding pieces and making a legit run at it in the next few years.

 

[devilalum]

The eye test tells me Ayton has a much better chance of becoming a two way player than Doncic.

Ayton is crazy athletic for a guy his size.


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[Hoop Head]

His fans are terrible, Bickley's, some dunce on Twitter won't stop saying that salary information isn't available next year because rosters aren't set yet and no one knows what the payroll will be or if the NBA will even have a luxury tax.

I take this board for granted sometimes. Everybody knows the basics of the NBA and if they don't they ask, they don't spew stupidity like that.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Bickley just said on the radio that he would give up #1, #16, next year's #1 and a player for Towns.

BTW. KAT's college stats. 10.3 pts, 6.7 rebounds, .250 from 3, 2.3 blocks. 21 mpg pt.

People are missing how dominant Ayton could be. KAT has exceeded expectations. But it is mistake to think that Ayton will underachieve.

agreed. Bickley is deranged to be pushing for giving up #1 and all those picks for a guy who's already having problems with his coach after 3 years in the league.

to sacrifice so much while robbing us of the thrill of watching our first, home grown, #1 pick possibly develop into a superstar more like Hakeem, Robinson, or the Kareem pick we lost out on.

trading Ayton for Bickley straight up is a safe and measured trade the Suns might be more inclined to do than Minny. but it's not something I'd do.

 

[Chaplin]

Actually no thats why im here. This board is very intelligent and a lot on here know more thsn me. But looking around everywhere else seems like they want a trade for towns or doncic at #1

It's arguable that the #1 for Towns is worth talking about, but Bickley has always been a blowhard and one of the worst reporters in Phoenix for years.

 

[Hoop Head]

I used to listen to Bickley and MJ in the mornings year ago and I remember getting angry about how wrong they were when they talked basketball that I had to stop. It's a shame he's still employed as a sports analyst in Phoenix, on the radio and with the Republic. Their football coverage was decent because of Jurecki but he had to try to talk around Bickley. Don't listen to AZ Sports radio anymore because there are too many "Bickleys" out there.

 

[HeHasRosen]

It's arguable that the #1 for Towns is worth talking about, but Bickley has always been a blowhard and one of the worst reporters in Phoenix for years.

Idk this thing is picking up steam. Im hearing it nationally as well. People are acting like its a no brainer for the suns

 

[Hoop Head]

Idk this thing is picking up steam. Im hearing it nationally as well. People are acting like its a no brainer for the suns

I've seen a lot about if it's KAT for the pick straight up then the Suns should do it but that isn't what Bickley's proposing. I've seen some Wolves fans think we should include Booker with the pick because KAT is too valuable. I think there are 2 groups talking about the trade, those that have an idea of what it would cost like the people here and then the casual fans throwing things out there that make no sense like Bickley, the Minny fans who think Booker should be included, the idiots on twitter. At most, I can see the Suns throwing in the #16 pick or the Bucks pick with the #1 but that's it, anymore than that and I can't see McD signing off.

 

[1tinsoldier]

if the Suns want to sign a star like Townes, pick Ayton, start winning and the free agent opportunities will come

don't screw with AZ's first #1 draft pick in 50 years! Suns fans have earned it

 

[Chaplin]

if the Suns want to sign a star like Townes, pick Ayton, start winning and the free agent opportunities will come

don't screw with AZ's first #1 draft pick in 50 years! Suns fans have earned it

Except if the #1 by itself can net you a proven NBA-experienced 22-year-old big man, you ABSOLUTELY have to consider it.

I'm curious to know the reasoning for NOT trading the #1 for KAT straight-up.

 

[GatorAZ]

#1 for Towns is trade rape. We’d have Devin Booker and Karl-Anthony Towns for their 22-28 age seasons. Crazy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bickley just said on the radio that he would give up #1, #16, next year's #1 and a player for Towns. Oh, and they cannot figure out how stupid fans are for not wanting that.

BTW. KAT's college stats.

10.3 pts, 6.7 rebounds, .250 from 3, 2.3 blocks. 21 mpg pt.

People are missing how dominant Ayton could be. KAT has exceeded expectations. But it is mistake to think that Ayton will underachieve.

even IF I was entertaining this idea, there's no way in hell I'd give up that much for Towns.

 

[Dback Jon]

even IF I was entertaining this idea, there's no way in hell I'd give up that much for Towns.

That would be so damn stupid. If KAT is so good, why would Minnesota trade him when he is still getting better?

 

[Cheesebeef]

another rare moment of harmony on the board! i could get used to this.

 

[HeHasRosen]

Except if the #1 by itself can net you a proven NBA-experienced 22-year-old big man, you ABSOLUTELY have to consider it.

I'm curious to know the reasoning for NOT trading the #1 for KAT straight-up.

1. Ayton ceiling is higher and floor is around KAT.

2. $$$ you wont have to worry about Ayton signing a max deal next year. Having 2 max contracts will limit what this team does going forward.

3. We get to raise are own home grown talent. And pick #1 for the first time ever. There's a reason anyone who would trade for the pick would take Ayton

 

[GatorAZ]

That would be so damn stupid. If KAT is so good, why would Minnesota trade him when he is still getting better?

They wouldn’t. He’s a 22 year old all-star.