The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[JCSunsfan]

Nash never even said anything regarding who he prefers.

Welcome

 

[rocker]

Real Madrid is Spanish champion, 4 games played. So Luka will be in Barclays Center.

Nothing more to win here in Europe for him. Good luck in NBA!

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[1tinsoldier]

For someone his size, "moves" aren't going to get him far unless he's also agile enough to beat people off the dribble, which he isn't and won't ever be. He may turn out to be a good facilitator, but he'll never be a primary scorer

most players don't get their points by beating people off the dribble, but he has shown the ability to shake & bake and be creative. if he's playing the point, he'll also have a height advantage to use. but, indeed, i don't think any team that drafts him is anticipating he will turn into their primary scorer

 

[slinslin]

Real Madrid is Spanish champion, 4 games played. So Luka will be in Barclays Center.

Nothing more to win here in Europe for him. Good luck in NBA!

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8 pts 2 assists 2-6 from the field

It is also funny bc this type of shot is the shot Doncic fans substract from his percentages when trying to explain his 30% 3pt shooting.

Real Madrid dominates the ACB league every year, they almost always have a .750 winning percentage and a budget of 40 million while most of the competition has a few million dollar budgets only.

Doncic will be a good player but I would be shocked absolutely shocked if he became a real NBA star. Maybe a couple allstar games depending on the conference he gets in.

 

[hsandhu]

8 pts 2 assists 2-6 from the field

It is also funny bc this type of shot is the shot Doncic fans substract from his percentages when trying to explain his 30% 3pt shooting.

Real Madrid dominates the ACB league every year, they almost always have a .750 winning percentage and a budget of 40 million while most of the competition has a few million dollar budgets only.

If you re gonna rip doncic... I'm glad you're back!

It's incredible how the people who are his biggest fans ignore his bad performances like today, yet tweet out how stupid everyone who criticizes him is whenever he has a good game.

I don't get it, why is there a cult quality to some of his followers

 

[BleedRed]

If you re gonna rip doncic... I'm glad you're back!

It's incredible how the people who are his biggest fans ignore his bad performances like today, yet tweet out how stupid everyone who criticizes him is whenever he has a good game.

I don't get it, why is there a cult quality to some of his followers

It's called "great white hope syndrome" it's tragic actually but we see outbreaks from time to time.

I joke, I joke.

 

[slinslin]

If you re gonna rip doncic... I'm glad you're back!

It's incredible how the people who are his biggest fans ignore his bad performances like today, yet tweet out how stupid everyone who criticizes him is whenever he has a good game.

I don't get it, why is there a cult quality to some of his followers

It seems it is the twitter hivemind that all sucks on the nipple of Cole Zwicker ultimately although Cole Zwicker had Monk and Isaac top 5, Tatum 9th, Markkanen 14th or so and Adebayo 40+

Evan Sidery, Kellan Olson and others off their twitter clique are really loud and Sidery, don‘t get me started if Sidery writes an opinion piece I don‘t even read it anymore.

 

[Raindog]

It seems it is the twitter hivemind that all sucks on the nipple of Cole Zwicker ultimately although Cole Zwicker had Monk and Isaac top 5, Tatum 9th, Markkanen 14th or so and Adebayo 40+

Evan Sidery, Kellan Olson and others off their twitter clique are really loud and Sidery, don‘t get me started if Sidery writes an opinion piece I don‘t even read it anymore.

A bunch of Twitter dweebs/bloggers - hoop nerds who live in their mom's basements and watch "Ball is Life" videos on YouTube all day. Of course they are going to go crazy over Euro kids out of left field they think they "discovered" three years ago while watching some "Euro Under-18 Tourney." These clowns (or ones just like them) were the same ones telling us ten years ago that Ricky Rubio was going to blow the doors off the NBA.

And whatever happens with Doncic's NBA career they will be back at it in another year or two with some other "amazing" 17 year old Serbian/Italian/Spaniard/Latvian who is going to be "even more amazing" than the (probably, by then) not so amazing Doncic.

 

[Raindog]

For someone his size, "moves" aren't going to get him far unless he's also agile enough to beat people off the dribble, which he isn't and won't ever be. Doncic is going to have a hard time creating quality shots for himself in the NBA. He may turn out to be a good facilitator, but he'll never be a primary scorer.

I really think that Doncic is going to be completely unexceptional in the NBA. Maybe not an epic bust like Milicic or Tskitishvili (similarly over-hyped Euros of the recent past), but just an average journeyman Euro import when all is said and done. I just don't see that the physical talent is there to allow him to really excel against upper level NBA athletes the way that he has been able to against what is essentially NBA reject level and minor league talent in Europe.

Particularly notable to me is that is his physique is not especially sleek - he is blocky in build, with a lot of baby fat. At 19, of course, he has room to physically mature, and he will probably lose the baby fat to some extent if he starts conditioning in the manner an NBA team will mandate. But with his build, it seems more likely to me he will fill out in a bulkier manner rather than in any way that is going to enhance his agility or quickness... which is going to basically rob him of whatever little athleticism he has now. I think he basically ends up as either a good passing, under-sized power forward, or a bulky, slow swing SG/wing.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It seems it is the twitter hivemind that all sucks on the nipple of Cole Zwicker ultimately although Cole Zwicker had Monk and Isaac top 5, Tatum 9th, Markkanen 14th or so and Adebayo 40+

Evan Sidery, Kellan Olson and others off their twitter clique are really loud and Sidery, don‘t get me started if Sidery writes an opinion piece I don‘t even read it anymore.

Evan Sidery graduated from high school in 2015. Most of us have been posting on this site since before he entered 2nd grade. Think about that. And I know we are all nuts about the Suns. I come on here all hours of the day and all the geeks are here. Yet we hang on their words like they actually know more than we do. Yeah, we indulge our "fandom fantasies" every once-in-a-while, but really, people like Sidery should be coming here and getting opinions from people on this board.

 

[Chaplin]

Evan Sidery graduated from high school in 2015. Most of us have been posting on this site since before he entered 2nd grade. Think about that. And I know we are all nuts about the Suns. I come on here all hours of the day and all the geeks are here. Yet we hang on their words like they actually know more than we do. Yeah, we indulge our "fandom fantasies" every once-in-a-while, but really, people like Sidery should be coming here and getting opinions from people on this board.

Absolutely true, but he also lucked himself into writing for a major fan site and even has credentials to show for it. I'd say a lot of us wouldn't have minded that when we were 21. He's just not a great writer and certainly not a great podcaster.

 

[Phrazbit]

A bunch of Twitter dweebs/bloggers - hoop nerds who live in their mom's basements and watch "Ball is Life" videos on YouTube all day. Of course they are going to go crazy over Euro kids out of left field they think they "discovered" three years ago while watching some "Euro Under-18 Tourney." These clowns (or ones just like them) were the same ones telling us ten years ago that Ricky Rubio was going to blow the doors off the NBA.

And whatever happens with Doncic's NBA career they will be back at it in another year or two with some other "amazing" 17 year old Serbian/Italian/Spaniard/Latvian who is going to be "even more amazing" than the (probably, by then) not so amazing Doncic.

And this doesn't happen here?

Remember when OJ Mayo was a future superstar? When Wiggins was the most hyped high school wing player since LeBron? When Beasley was going to a better rebounding Durant, when people were talking about tanking for Shabazz while he was in high school?

The over hype knows no borders.

I'm all in on Ayton but IMO Doncic's more ardent detractors are more prone to hyperbole than his defenders.

The kid is going to be good, I don't think he has as much of a chance of being a superstar as Ayton... but he's going to be good.

 

[Chaplin]

And this doesn't happen here?

Remember when OJ Mayo was a future superstar? When Wiggins was the most hyped high school wing player since LeBron? When Beasley was going to a better rebounding Durant, when people were talking about tanking for Shabazz while he was in high school?

The over hype knows no borders.

I'm all in on Ayton but IMO Doncic's more ardent detractors are more prone to hyperbole than his defenders.

The kid is going to be good, I don't think he has as much of a chance of being a superstar as Ayton... but he's going to be good.

To be fair, Wiggins WAS the most hyped wing since Lebron, and not just here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

And this doesn't happen here?

Remember when OJ Mayo was a future superstar? When Wiggins was the most hyped high school wing player since LeBron? When Beasley was going to a better rebounding Durant, when people were talking about tanking for Shabazz while he was in high school?

The over hype knows no borders.

I'm all in on Ayton but IMO Doncic's more ardent detractors are more prone to hyperbole than his defenders.

The kid is going to be good, I don't think he has as much of a chance of being a superstar as Ayton... but he's going to be good.

I don't think it's hyperbole. It's just pointing out legit flaws. Just because a player develops early, does not mean he will keep developing. Not saying he won't just saying that its not a good assumption. His shooting numbers are there for everyone to see. It's just a stat. I think he will be a very good player, but I just cannot see how he would be considered above a nimble mountain like Ayton.

 

[sunsfan88]

I don't think it's hyperbole. It's just pointing out legit flaws. Just because a player develops early, does not mean he will keep developing. Not saying he won't just saying that its not a good assumption. His shooting numbers are there for everyone to see. It's just a stat. I think he will be a very good player, but I just cannot see how he would be considered above a nimble mountain like Ayton.

JC, one thing I’ve seen you do over and over again is put Doncic down in an effort to prop Ayton up.

Before the lottery, you were a big Doncic fan and once the Suns won the lottery and Ayton became a possibility, you’ve immediately turned into bashing him.

I don’t think that’s required. I think Ayton’s game speaks for itself and I don’t think Doncic or any other players talent needs to be bashed in order to make Ayton look better.

Ayton could be really good. Doncic could be really good too.

Simple as that.

 

[Raindog]

And this doesn't happen here?

Remember when OJ Mayo was a future superstar? When Wiggins was the most hyped high school wing player since LeBron? When Beasley was going to a better rebounding Durant, when people were talking about tanking for Shabazz while he was in high school?

The over hype knows no borders.

I'm all in on Ayton but IMO Doncic's more ardent detractors are more prone to hyperbole than his defenders.

The kid is going to be good, I don't think he has as much of a chance of being a superstar as Ayton... but he's going to be good.

Undoubtedly, it happens with American prospects, too. But I can't think of any American prospect in recent years who anyone insisted is "no way he's going to miss" in the same way the post-millennial Twitter-based media has gone to town hyping Doncic. And I suspect that will only get worse with each passing year and each new phenom they can find to generate clicks.

Whether he is good or not, I don't see any way that he is going to be Euro-Bird/Magic/Lebron that the media, super-fan bloggers, and Twitter booger-eaters are making him out to be. I would bet my wooden leg (if I had one) that in four years, no one is going to care about Luka Doncic any more than anyone cares about Dante Exum today.

 

[Covert Rain]

One thing that happens every year. Teams leak b.s. to the media left and right about this guy dropping or soaring on their board.

Media and fans eat it up second guessing everything. Then nine times out of ten it’s predictable.

For the sake of fun I hope not!

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't think it's hyperbole. It's just pointing out legit flaws. Just because a player develops early, does not mean he will keep developing. Not saying he won't just saying that its not a good assumption. His shooting numbers are there for everyone to see. It's just a stat. I think he will be a very good player, but I just cannot see how he would be considered above a nimble mountain like Ayton.

JC... that post was not in response to your critiques. As near as I can tell you consider him worthy of a top 5 pick, but others, seemingly for no other reason than that Doncic is European, make it sound as though he shouldn't even be in the lotto.

 

[Phrazbit]

One thing that happens every year. Teams leak b.s. to the media left and right about this guy dropping or soaring on their board.

Media and fans eat it up second guessing everything. Then nine times out of ten it’s predictable.

For the sake of fun I hope not!

Well... this draft is not predictable. I've seen no consensus on any pick after #1.

I'm 99.9% sure we're taking Ayton.

I'm 100% sure Bagley goes in the top 5 but I have no idea where. Doncic top 6.

Then you've got guys like Bamba and Young who could go anywhere from 2nd to 10th.

 

[Phrazbit]

Actually... I feel pretty certain the Hawks will take JJJ if the Kings pass on him. He'll go top 3.

The Kings though, that idiot franchise could take literally anyone. Vivek is a tinkering disaster.

 

[Cheesebeef]

JC... that post was not in response to your critiques. As near as I can tell you consider him worthy of a top 5 pick, but others, seemingly for no other reason than that Doncic is European, make it sound as though he shouldn't even be in the lotto.

who are these others here? Even as one of the most persistent Doncic skeptics, I've said dude's ceiling prob ends up as a better passing Joe Johnson and is worthy of a top 5 pick and even his floor is pretty high... like a Mike Miller in his prime. No one's talking about or making it sound like he shouldn't even be in the lotto unless I'm missing something.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Undoubtedly, it happens with American prospects, too. But I can't think of any American prospect in recent years who anyone insisted is "no way he's going to miss" in the same way the post-millennial Twitter-based media has gone to town hyping Doncic. And I suspect that will only get worse with each passing year and each new phenom they can find to generate clicks.

Whether he is good or not, I don't see any way that he is going to be Euro-Bird/Magic/Lebron that the media, super-fan bloggers, and Twitter booger-eaters are making him out to be. I would bet my wooden leg (if I had one) that in four years, no one is going to care about Luka Doncic any more than anyone cares about Dante Exum today.

okay. there's one, I guess.

 

[Phrazbit]

Undoubtedly, it happens with American prospects, too. But I can't think of any American prospect in recent years who anyone insisted is "no way he's going to miss" in the same way the post-millennial Twitter-based media has gone to town hyping Doncic. And I suspect that will only get worse with each passing year and each new phenom they can find to generate clicks.

Whether he is good or not, I don't see any way that he is going to be Euro-Bird/Magic/Lebron that the media, super-fan bloggers, and Twitter booger-eaters are making him out to be. I would bet my wooden leg (if I had one) that in four years, no one is going to care about Luka Doncic any more than anyone cares about Dante Exum today.

Eh... I think Wiggins was even more hyped, he has fallen miles short and I think odds are Doncic will be a better pro than Wiggins.

I don't feel great about Doncic being a superstar, but I don't see a player with his top notch passing ability and constant hustle being a failure. IMO, he's probably going to be a better passing version of Lamar Odom... minus the drugs and Kardashians.

 

[1tinsoldier]

well, i just got done touting the favorables of Doncic but would not dismiss his sub-par performances. i agree that for someone being drafted as high as he will be, some of his low outputs should be of concern. he has stellar highlights but how often has he dominated a game?

there is probably a "great white hope" factor with some of his fans
but i believe it is his "it" factor -- skill set and bb IQ that can take him far

 

[sunsfan88]

This draft will really start at #3. I think most people have known since the lottery night that it’s #1 Ayton, #2 Doncic and then it goes from there.