The trade

[Chris_Sanders]

Not only was the pick a reach but the trade was bad too. Did anyone else catch this:

Cards drop back 7 spots and get the #91 pick.

2 spots later the Eagles drop back 4 spots and get the #83 pick.

So the Eagles gave up worse value, still ended up in front of us, and got better compensation.


Bad bad bad

 

[BigRedRage]

yeah was all over the thread.

Maybe the eagles didnt contact us.

i think we traded with like 7 minutes left on the clock which as a sales guy, I wouldnt trade until it was down to two minutes or less unless its a smoking deal.

So while they may have gotten better compensation if they held out longer, I am happy with the pick and happier that while getting that guy, we also added a second 3rd round pick.

 

[Mulli]

This has been discussed.

 

[Shane]

Yes we got jobbed

 

[WisconsinCard]

Because Cleveland paniced when their WR was off the board, and they felt they had to get ahead of KC to get their next target. The two trade are not comparable in my opinion.

 

[Mulli]

Because Cleveland paniced when their WR was off the board, and they felt they had to get ahead of KC to get their next target. The two trade are not comparable in my opinion.

This.

 

[WildBB]

Not only was the pick a reach but the trade was bad too. Did anyone else catch this:

Cards drop back 7 spots and get the #91 pick.

2 spots later the Eagles drop back 4 spots and get the #83 pick.

So the Eagles gave up worse value, still ended up in front of us, and got better compensation.


Bad bad bad

It's not bad. They had a plan to move back and they took their best offer at that specific time in the draft. Clevland obviously didn't offer us that deal.

The rumor is Clevland wanted Cooks so they should have traded with Miami who could have traded back as well to take their tackle but didn't.

When Cooks was taken by NO, THEN Clevland had to go to their b/u plan and trade up to Philly @22 (GB might have declined) to beat Minnesota to Manziel at that point. Manziel was their 2nd target. They didn't want Minnesota jumping ahead of them so they gave up more to move ahead when Cooks went south.

 

[Mulli]

All this hubbub will vanish into nowhere just like the big deal we made about swapping picks with Pitt for Levi brown.

 

[PDXChris]

You know, I once let this lady cut in front of me at the gas station while buying lottery tickets. She won and I did not. I totally got screwed even though there is no gaurentee I would have gotten the same numbers since there are so many variables that goes into a quick pick ticket.

 

[Jetstream Green]

We got a third, if another team gets a better deal they got a better deal but that does not mean we got screwed over when the circumstances of such a deep draft makes an extra third more valuable than most drafts and teams dealt that value accordingly. We drafted on need but did not reach in my opinion because we actually filled the need with a player the staff really did like who knew he probably would not have lasted to the second round when they would pick again. Bucannon is not mediocre, he just does not fulfill the value of the pre NFL career draft... much like Washington, Dockett, and Boldin where not first round picks in the public eye either, and who cares when the real results are what counts on the field

 

[kerouac9]

The trade was not as good as giving up Manti Te'o for Kevin Minter and a 5th, not as bad as giving up the chance to draft Terrell Suggs for Calvin Pace, Bryant Johnson, and the opportunity to trade down in the second.

The draft is a dynamic process. Just because the Eagles did better than us doesn't mean that we did poorly.

 

[PDXChris]

The draft is a dynamic process. Just because the Eagles did better than us doesn't mean that we did poorly.

And who both teams take with thier new picks will also be important, which will be hard to judge for sometime. The second part to this tade has not even been completed yet.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

The Saints have traditionally drafted better than the Browns, so it only makes since to take their spot over the Browns. The Saints spot would usually produce the better player.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Can't compare trades like this. The key question: Did the Cards get the player they wanted and did they maximize the trade the best they could in the minutes they had to make the deal? If both the Eagles and the Saints were there to make the trades they did and the Cards took the Saints deal, then you can say it was a bad trade. The Saints were most likely the only trade partner that made sense as the time.

The Eagle-Browns trade involved a QB---and those deal always involve a higher price. Thus the Eagles got more back in their deal.

The true ledger sheet on the trades will only play out in a few years anyway---if DB turns into a beast at SS and puts in some all-Pro seasons for the Cards, will it matter what the Eagles did or did not garner in their deal?

 

[Jetstream Green]

The Saints have traditionally drafted better than the Browns, so it only makes since to take their spot over the Browns. The Saints spot would usually produce the better player.

That is because the Saints are drafting and not the Browns, logic my friend lol

 

[kerouac9]

And who both teams take with thier new picks will also be important, which will be hard to judge for sometime. The second part to this tade has not even been completed yet.

No, I don't think that's important. If we're just judging the value gotten in the trade, the way the players worked out could modify that (for example, the RG3 trade looks like a walloping by St. Louis right now, but it looked like a steal by Washington a year ago--in the final analysis, I think we'll read that as STL coming out slightly ahead), but the value in itself is going to remain static.

If Cooks becomes a perennial pro bowler and Bucannon ends up being a four-year starter and moving elsewhere as a free agent, does that condemn or justify the trade? Of course not. The process that went into the decision is what's important to evaluate, because the results are completely unknown.

 

[Chopper0080]

how did we get jobbed? Does anyone actually think we were offered a better deal and turned it down? we took the best deal that was offered to us. We didn't want to gamble and then get stuck at #20 while New Orleans traded with Green Bay instead.

The Eagles had more leverage than the Cardinals did as Cleveland was desperate and so they made a better deal.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Because Cleveland paniced when their WR was off the board, and they felt they had to get ahead of KC to get their next target. The two trade are not comparable in my opinion.

As has been said several times now.... THIS!

 

[DoTheDew]

The trade was only bad if we missed out on someone we would have taken otherwise. What if Buchanon was the top player on our board at 20? Then how in the world is it bad that we took him at 27 and picked up a 3rd?

Based on who went 20-26 I think Buchanon was at the top of our board either way.

Manziel was never on our board. He's not a scheme fit and as Keim said 3 months ago, Palmer is our QB for the next 3-5 years. Clinton-Dix doesn't compliment Matheiu well. We wanted someone bigger to pair with TM. We had no need for a CB right now. Dee Ford is maybe the only guy I could have seen ahead of Buchanon, but I'm not convinced that 244 lb 3-4 OLB that ran a 4.75 40 is what we wanted.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Everyone is making a lot of assumptions on here. More like justifications. The only real facts are that the Cardinals gave up more and got less than someone in nearly an identical situation. That is has been the standard for this team for a long time.

At some point you have to stop making excuses.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Everyone is making a lot of assumptions on here. More like justifications. The only real facts are that the Cardinals gave up more and got less than someone in nearly an identical situation. That is has been the standard for this team for a long time.

At some point you have to stop making excuses.

Yea... I think Keim should be fired!

 

[PDXChris]

Everyone is making a lot of assumptions on here. More like justifications. The only real facts are that the Cardinals gave up more and got less than someone in nearly an identical situation. That is has been the standard for this team for a long time.

At some point you have to stop making excuses.

They are no more assumptions that your assumption that we could have gotten something better or that this was not the plan all along. Everything is an assumption, so I guess that makes us all a bunch of ....... nevermind.

 

[Jetstream Green]

They are no more assumptions that your assumption that we could have gotten something better or that this was not the plan all along. Everything is an assumption, so I guess that makes us all a bunch of ....... nevermind.

It makes us all a bunch of cool smart individuals

 

[Chopper0080]

Everyone is making a lot of assumptions on here. More like justifications. The only real facts are that the Cardinals gave up more and got less than someone in nearly an identical situation. That is has been the standard for this team for a long time.

At some point you have to stop making excuses.

Wow. Your argument is based on your assumption that the Cardinals missed out on better deals to take the deal offered by the Saints. If there is any sort of ridiculous assumption being made here it is by you. The Eagles received the same amount of picks total and in the same round. You are glorifying one team and killing another team because of a difference of 10 combined spots. That is absurd.

 

[Mulli]

Wow. Your argument is based on your assumption that the Cardinals missed out on better deals to take the deal offered by the Saints. If there is any sort of ridiculous assumption being made here it is by you. The Eagles received the same amount of picks total and in the same round. You are glorifying one team and killing another team because of a difference of 10 combined spots. That is absurd.

Join. Some kind of weird anti curse?