The Truth About Leinart and Warner

[Treesquid PhD]

Do you want to know what is simple? Warner played as big of a role in our losses as he did in our wins. That adds up to about .500 season. Do you remember the last game of the season against the Rams? He had 2 interceptions in that game that even a rookie should never throw.

Instead of debating this we should embrace the fact that we have 2 capable guys that can go out and, with the help of their surrounding cast, lead this team to a victory on any given Sunday.

Instead of coming to the conclusion that Leinart just ain't good enough we should actually consider what he is capable of. Why should we assume he has regressed since his injury. He's gotten stronger. He's dedicated himself to the organization. He has studied the playbook. He has always been a winner. His head coach has told you and everybody else how good the kid has looked this spring. What else do you want to hear?

Yeah right. Leinart is starting cause the Cards don't want to pay Warner. Absurd.

Hardcore NFL fans tend to be on the poorer side of society, they love underdogs and loathe guys like Leinart, he stands for everything they are not and I am willing to bet it's much of the same here. Logic need not apply.

I understand though, if I had to work 70 hours a week just to feed my family and pay my underwater mortgage, only to end the night by crawling into bed next to a 195 pound woman with hairy moles... yeah I'd be rooting for Warner too.

 

[Cards232]

I agree on all points. The guy was an absolute warrior.



Sorry I guess my lack of understanding is what is not allowing me to block out that last the majority of the last 7 seasons of Warner's career where he was not playing anywhere near a Pro-Bowl level....or the level of a starting QB for that matter.

And I guess I should forget this iron man torn his groin on a boot leg two years ago without getting touched.



You make good points. But we will have to agree to disagree that Warner is a sure thing. As my previous posts state he has played well 7% of the time in the last seven seasons.

That is far from a sure thing. But to be fair it is a risk on both sides. Warner could come out and be the turnover machine (and not the MVP kind, the lose us games kind that he was and got him pulled in the first place). Leinart could come out, and still play below average.

Either or, thank goodness we got two guys.

I appreciate your thoughts as well as how they were voiced. Let me address some of your thought & how I see it.

As far as playing at an All Pro level, one needs a team to allow you to play at that level. I'll give you 2 examples of what I'm talking about. Jim Plunkett was considered a miserable failure as a qb till he landed w/ the Raiders. Did he all the sudden just become a great qb once becoming a Raider? Or, had he been a great qb all along, just on a miserable Patriots team? Same thing w/ Archie Manning who played w/ the Saints of yester year. He was an awesome qb but played on a putrid team & therefore never got the ink that others did. Had the roles been reversed, & Montana played in N.O. & Manning played in S.F., I'm convinced their legacies would have been reversed as well, Manning would have been in the Hall.

That being said, Warner played behind some of the most egregious examples of o-lines in the league w/ both the Giants & Cards (until last year). Both teams were far less than what would ordinarily produce a Pro Bowl qb. That changed a bit last year, & as stated, had he played 16 games, he probably would have been Pro Bowlin. Did Warner just all the sudden "find it" again, or did he finally have a team to play w/ at a Pro Bowl level?

As far as his groin injury is concerned, do you recall Michael Vick going down under similar circumstances? Those kinds of injuries happen to all kinds of players. Young & old alike.

Sure thing? I didn't mean to give that impression. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL as the afore mentioned example of Vick would attest. What I meant to convey is that Warner is the surer bet. In fact as injuries go, Matt has had more problems lately than Warner as far as games lost is concerned. Warner has actually been quite resilient through his career given the circumstances.

"Either or, thank goodness we got two guys". I couldn't agree more. Have a great weekend my friend.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Hardcore NFL fans tend to be on the poorer side of society, they love underdogs and loathe guys like Leinart, he stands for everything they are not and I am willing to bet it's much of the same here. Logic need not apply.

I understand though, if I had to work 70 hours a week just to feed my family and pay my underwater mortgage, only to end the night by crawling into bed next to a 195 pound woman with hairy moles... yeah I'd be rooting for Warner too.

 

[Cards232]

Hardcore NFL fans tend to be on the poorer side of society, they love underdogs and loathe guys like Leinart, he stands for everything they are not and I am willing to bet it's much of the same here. Logic need not apply.

I understand though, if I had to work 70 hours a week just to feed my family and pay my underwater mortgage, only to end the night by crawling into bed next to a 195 pound woman with hairy moles... yeah I'd be rooting for Warner too.

Are you trying to infer that you're a rich snob that would rather enjoy wine & brie w/ Leinart than spend time w/ Warner helping in the soup lines?

Just kiding man. Have a great weekend.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Are you trying to infer that you're a rich snob that would rather enjoy beer bongs & brie w/ Leinart than spend time w/ Warner helping in the soup lines?

Just kiding man. Have a great weekend.

FTFY

 

[Buckybird]

You think Warner is getting dis-respected ?

Sorry that is insane.

Right now we have a QB controversy (sp?) like it or not.

We are currently redoing Warner's contract who is our SECOND (or the first and Leinart is the second whatever) quarterback. He was already the highest paid backup in the league. And now we are re-doing the deal at age 37 ? In front of Boldin, Dockett, and Dansby ?

That is disrespect ? There is NO other team that is or would do this. I think Warner gets a load of respect by this organization, and coaching staff.

Couldn't agree more, Rugby. As much as I like this team and where is appears to be headed, things like this could implode a potential playoff contender.

 

[Mitch]

You think Warner is getting dis-respected ?

Sorry that is insane.

Right now we have a QB controversy (sp?) like it or not.

We are currently redoing Warner's contract who is our SECOND (or the first and Leinart is the second whatever) quarterback. He was already the highest paid backup in the league. And now we are re-doing the deal at age 37 ? In front of Boldin, Dockett, and Dansby ?

That is disrespect ? There is NO other team that is or would do this. I think Warner gets a load of respect by this organization, and coaching staff.

Pick another front to fight cause that holds no merit what so ever.

We just disagree on this one by a wide margin.

For Warner to perform the way he did...leading the team to an average of 31 points a games in the last eight...and a team passing ranking of #5 in the NFL...and 27 TDs...to have to head into camp as the team's #2 QB, behind a player who to this point has done relatively nothing to warrant the starting nod, is disrespectful to Warner.

At the very least the coaches should have called the QB competition wide open. There would be some respect in that.

 

[82CardsGrad]

We just disagree on this one by a wide margin.

For Warner to perform the way he did...leading the team to an average of 31 points a games in the last eight...and a team passing ranking of #5 in the NFL...and 27 TDs...to have to head into camp as the team's #2 QB, behind a player who to this point has done relatively nothing to warrant the starting nod, is disrespectful to Warner.

At the very least the coaches should have called the QB competition wide open. There would be some respect in that.

Mitch, you're fighting a losing battle here... We are talking about the most NFL-prepared college QB to ever come out of college. We are talking about a guy who could have entered the NFL after his Jr. season, and started - he was that ready!

Well - at least that's what I've been told...

 

[ajcardfan]

My perception of the truth:



I believe this to be the truth.

A 109 posts in this thread later, you finally say what you should've said in the first place.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

What I meant to convey is that Warner is the surer bet.

"Either or, thank goodness we got two guys". I couldn't agree more. Have a great weekend my friend.

Surer...I can't aruge that.

I love the Jim Plunkett reference, good example of a guy who played until he was like 102!

This is all going to get REALLY exciting and "dramatic" during the preseason. We will know something is up if Leinart starts one game and Warner starts the next.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

At the very least the coaches should have called the QB competition wide open. There would be some respect in that.

I am making this point not to argue.

I think Whiz did this because he was an ex-player and know the team needs ONE leader. And I would expect Warner to understand that.

Personally, I would have like to hear it was an open competition as well.

I think we all have to wait till preseason and see where this is going.

 

[vinnymac]

I am making this point not to argue.

I think Whiz did this because he was an ex-player and know the team needs ONE leader. And I would expect Warner to understand that.

Personally, I would have like to hear it was an open competition as well.

I think we all have to wait till preseason and see where this is going.

I believe that Whisenhunt said That it was Leinart job to lose. It wouldn't be that hard with the way Warner has played. To me that says it is an open competition.