The Truth-Take it How You Want To

[cardsfanmd]

Finally, a sensible post. Thank you.

New Mexico,

You and I have been on the same side in many an arguement on this board. By 5 games into the season we were calling for Rackers' head when most everyone else was telling us we were stupid and he would be great. Dont be scared here bud. Call a spade a spade. RG just destroyed us, it is what it is.

cdfmd

 

[Max]

Look, I’m no fan of Graves but the panic here is surreal. So far we lost Calvin Pace. Did I want to re-sign him? Sure. But this is Calvin Pace not Shawn Merriman. We’ll survive.

We don’t need to make a statement in FA. Some of the best teams don’t bother with it. The Colts, Giants and Packers are some of the most successful teams in the league and none of them emphasizes FA.

 

[red desert]

New Mexico,

You and I have been on the same side in many an arguement on this board. By 5 games into the season we were calling for Rackers' head when most everyone else was telling us we were stupid and he would be great. Dont be scared here bud. Call a spade a spade. RG just destroyed us, it is what it is.

cdfmd

good post. it is what it is.

 

[New Mexico]

New Mexico,

You and I have been on the same side in many an arguement on this board. By 5 games into the season we were calling for Rackers' head when most everyone else was telling us we were stupid and he would be great. Dont be scared here bud. Call a spade a spade. RG just destroyed us, it is what it is.

cdfmd

I think you're being a little melodramatic. The Cards elected not to give $20 million to a player who had one good year. Check out the Dolphin's message board. Several of their posters are stunned, and upset that Parcells shelled out that kind of money for a LB they've never heard of, and who hasn't even been to a Pro Bowl, ala A. Thomas who received a similar salary last year. Every team is losing players they want to keep because other teams are willing to pay ridiculously high salaries. it's just the nature of the business.

The one thing I am upset about is that we didn't offer Josh Brown a contract. I still hate Rackers and think a kicker is one of our biggest needs.

 

[Buckybird]

md - write this down buddy and hang it on your fridge...

2007 will be known as a career year for Pace... The NFL has seen the best that boy can offer. The Cards were fortunate to get one decent year out of him - a year that will become known as his career year!

write this down, (if he plays in a 3-4 defense) you're wrong!!!

 

[Buckybird]

I think you're being a little melodramatic. The Cards elected not to give $20 million to a player who had one good year. Check out the Dolphin's message board. Several of their posters are stunned, and upset that Parcells shelled out that kind of money for a LB they've never heard of, and who hasn't even been to a Pro Bowl, ala A. Thomas who received a similar salary last year. Every team is losing players they want to keep because other teams are willing to pay ridiculously high salaries. it's just the nature of the business.

The one thing I am upset about is that we didn't offer Josh Brown a contract. I still hate Rackers and think a kicker is one of our biggest needs.

If there is one thing Parcells knows it's 3-4 outside LB'ers.

 

[NightHawk11and81]

It's one day in. Nobody knows what's going to happen. Be patient.

 

[New Mexico]

If there is one thing Parcells knows it's 3-4 outside LB'ers.

Oh, ok. I guess since Parcells is willing to shell out $20 million for Pace, he must be indispensible. Begs the question why Parcells passed on Pace in 2003 (when he was with the Cowboys), and then selected OLB Bradie James from LSU in the fourth round, who through last year had a whopping 5.5 sacks and 1 interception in Parcell's 3-4 defense.

Don't forget that the Dolphins were 1-15 last year, and had probably the worst football team that many of us have ever seen in our lives. Pace is good, but if you're Parcells, and trying to revamp your defense, Pace is the best thing since sliced bread. They obviously need him a lot more than we do.

 

[TigToad]

core

This requires you to think of Pace as part of our 'core'.

Heck, with Berry and Okeafor back next year, I didn't even call him starting. He'd be nice to have as I expect injury, but not for 20 mil.

Keeping our core together was a loudly stated priority over the last few years. Unfortunately our GM isn't very pro-active about keeping his word.

I added a #6 to my signature.

 

[Buckybird]

Oh, ok. I guess since Parcells is willing to shell out $20 million for Pace, he must be indispensible. Begs the question why Parcells passed on Pace in 2003 (when he was with the Cowboys), and then selected OLB Bradie James from LSU in the fourth round, who through last year had a whopping 5.5 sacks and 1 interception in Parcell's 3-4 defense.

Don't forget that the Dolphins were 1-15 last year, and had probably the worst football team that many of us have ever seen in our lives. Pace is good, but if you're Parcells, and trying to revamp your defense, Pace is the best thing since sliced bread. They obviously need him a lot more than we do.

I hate to tell you this but Bradie James plays inside LB'er

 

[CaptTurbo]

By not restructuring Fitz last year Graves has now let our most consistant defender go.

They let Dansby or Hood go. I hope to god your not calling pace our most consistant defender!!

 

[jefftheshark]

Look, I’m no fan of Graves but the panic here is surreal. So far we lost Calvin Pace. Did I want to re-sign him? Sure. But this is Calvin Pace not Shawn Merriman. We’ll survive.

We don’t need to make a statement in FA. Some of the best teams don’t bother with it. The Colts, Giants and Packers are some of the most successful teams in the league and none of them emphasizes FA.

Good first post...welcome!...I'll take a couple of Coronas and a round of Xanax for my friends.

JTS

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

This is a sad day for Cardinal nation.

Raider Nation sounds lame.. let them have that one to themselves.

 

[cardsfanmd]

This requires you to think of Pace as part of our 'core'.

Heck, with Berry and Okeafor back next year, I didn't even call him starting. He'd be nice to have as I expect injury, but not for 20 mil.

Thats because you really dont know much about this team at all.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You guys are all eerily reminiscent of the guys in the Sportcenter commercials where the guys talk out of their @$$es because they dont know anything about sports.

"That Steve Nash needs to learn how to pass huh".

Some of you have have semi-valid points, but many just have absolutely no clue aof what they are talking about yet pass their word on as scripture anyhow.

Do you even realize that every other team in our division has improved already this offseason yet we have only gotten worse.

 

[cardsfanmd]

They let Dansby or Hood go. I hope to god your not calling pace our most consistant defender!!

While I dont always agree with you, you do know you stuff most of the time. This time however, you are just wrong. How can Dansby even be in the conversation when he missed time? Hood was very good this year so I can understand that one. He wasn't better than Pace though IMO.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Some of you have have semi-valid points, but many just have absolutely no clue aof what they are talking about yet pass their word on as scripture anyhow.

How can you say that inside of your own thread that says "The Truth-Take it How You Want To"

I watch, talk, and breath football just like you and just like a lot of guys/ladies on this board. I don't see any of us being more qualified than the other to declare truths and what not.

I mean there is no need to go K9 in here!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

While I dont always agree with you, you do know you stuff most of the time. This time however, you are just wrong. How can Dansby even be in the conversation when he missed time? Hood was very good this year so I can understand that one. He wasn't better than Pace though IMO.

Ideally we should have kept both but i'm much happier that the Cards tagged Dansby and let Pace go and not the other way around But they didn't HAVE to make a choice. We now need an OLB because it's hard to count on Berry for an entire year. But there are cheaper alternatives that will be available than the 20 mill Pace received. I know you're a big Pace fan but i'm skeptical of him playing at 20 mill dollar level.I can see him going either way,continuing to come into his own or reverting back to his old form.I would rather give that money to more of a sure thing. I know one thing, Lance Briggs has to be smiling about that contract because he'll command much more.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

While I dont always agree with you, you do know you stuff most of the time. This time however, you are just wrong. How can Dansby even be in the conversation when he missed time? Hood was very good this year so I can understand that one. He wasn't better than Pace though IMO.

Pace has only played consistently (meaning physically he was out on the field) 1 out of his 5 years in AZ. That means 80% of the time that Pace was in AZ he was on the bench.

So if by consistent you mean, consistently riding the pine then you are correct......but even in the category Daryl Blackstock has him beat by a long shot.

 

[Stout]

Oh, ok. I guess since Parcells is willing to shell out $20 million for Pace, he must be indispensible. Begs the question why Parcells passed on Pace in 2003 (when he was with the Cowboys), and then selected OLB Bradie James from LSU in the fourth round, who through last year had a whopping 5.5 sacks and 1 interception in Parcell's 3-4 defense.

Don't forget that the Dolphins were 1-15 last year, and had probably the worst football team that many of us have ever seen in our lives. Pace is good, but if you're Parcells, and trying to revamp your defense, Pace is the best thing since sliced bread. They obviously need him a lot more than we do.

Well, aside from the fact someone mentioned that James is an ILB, maybe it's because Pace was considered a 2nd-3rd round talent?

 

[Duckjake]

Oh, ok. I guess since Parcells is willing to shell out $20 million for Pace, he must be indispensable. Begs the question why Parcells passed on Pace in 2003 (when he was with the Cowboys), and then selected OLB Bradie James from LSU in the fourth round, who through last year had a whopping 5.5 sacks and 1 interception in Parcell's 3-4 defense.

Don't forget that the Dolphins were 1-15 last year, and had probably the worst football team that many of us have ever seen in our lives. Pace is good, but if you're Parcells, and trying to revamp your defense, Pace is the best thing since sliced bread. They obviously need him a lot more than we do.

I'd say the worst teams I've ever seen in my life, even though they won more games, were the Cardinals bunch that flat gave up and quit on Tobin and Mac in the 2000 season and the 2003 group. Those two teams were outscored by a combined 895-435.

 

[BACH]

By not restructuring Fitz last year Graves has now let our most consistant defender go. Now he will get Fitz a new deal in the near future and some of you will consider that a success. Enjoy the good feeling while it lasts I tell you, because it will be short lived.

All your points became a joke after this statement.

Our most consistent defender!!!!!! WTF?????

 

[Arizona's Finest]

All your points became a joke after this statement.

Our most consistent defender!!!!!! WTF?????

I will say that while Rolle, Wilson, Dansby and Dockett all had their moments I remember thinking "Damn - Pace is in on every play" every game last year/

In fact other then Rolle (who only did it for two games) I have never been so pleasently surprised by a player i previously thought to be a bust having the light bulb switch on. He didn't have the stats so to speak but if you watched he had better "activity" then any defender out there. (BTW Gabe Watson is another player who stats don't show but had great "activity" on every play.)

Pace WAS one of our better defenders last year. Now that sure as hell doesn't mean he deserves 20 mill guaranteed (Adalius Thomas money?) but I don't see why anyone wanting this team to get better would want to just let him go. The Cards gambled with Pace and said "We want to see you play the year out and we will revisit it"

Well guess what? That move turned up snake eyes. And now we will never know that if we had had the cap room prior to FA if he would have taken a more reasonable deal to be here. He stated many a time this was the organization he wanted to stay with for drafting him like we did.

I don't think its going out on a limb to say we lost one of our best young defenders.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I will say that while Rolle, Wilson, Dansby and Dockett all had their moments I remember thinking "Damn - Pace is in on every play"

In fact other then Rolle (who only did it for two games) I have never been so pleasently surprised by a player i previously thought to be a bust having the light bulb switch on.

Pace WAS one of our better defenders last year. Now that sure as hell doesn't mean he deserves 20 mill guaranteed (Adalius Thomas money?) but I don't see why anyone wanting this team to get better would let him go. The Cards gambled with Pace and said "We want to see you play the year out and we will revisit it"

Well guess what? That move turned out snake eyes. And now we will never know that if we had had the cap room prior to FA if he would have taken a more reasonable deal to be here. He stated manya time this was the organization he wanted to stay with for drafting him like he did.

I don't think its going out on a limb to say we lost one of our best young defenders.

Very accurate.

Maybe I sent the wrong impression of what I was originally trying to say. I am not mad soley for losing Pace. No team resigns everyone they want to. It is the situation that irks me to no end.

Everyone here wants to call Pace a contract player, yet you all love Dansby who wouldn't even workout in the offseasons prior to his contract year and has openly said he is interested in just getting the most $ possible. RG tags Dansby right away and then goes through this ordeal with Fitz with his tail between his legs. BUCK UP YOU F-ING PANSY! If any of you think we will be able to resign Dansby next year to anything less that the highest paid ILB contract ever after what Graves is preparing to give Fitz this year, you are sorely mistaken.

I am not gonna hate on Fitz, because it is the GM's job to set the tone. He did that by bending right over from the get go. You cant hate on Larry for going with the flow.

So instead of trading the most valueable WR in the game(trade value that is) and getting 2-3 other players at FAR more important positions and having the extra cash to resign current players to maintain continuity, he decides to be Larry's biotch Now we have the most overpaid player playing the most overpaid position in the game.

Way to go RG!

Throughout the years I have kept my mouth shut during the Graves discussions, but he has made it apparent this offseason that he is beyond pathetic and must be fired if we ever want to be successfull.


cdfmd

 

[NightHawk11and81]

Do you even realize that every other team in our division has improved already this offseason yet we have only gotten worse.

I fail to see how anybody in the NFC West but Seattle has improved, unless you're counting the Rams getting Jackson and Bulger healthy, which they were going to do anyway.