Things I'm buying/selling

[RugbyMuffin]

Selling:

Can K9 ever manage to get through a thread without taking a swipe at Rod Graves ?

Selling:

Can Graves ever be talked about negatively without Nidan defending him ?

Sorry, Nidan had to do it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Darn it.. You told me it was Tuna Fish..

Liar..

A little mayo and it tastes great!

Selling:
Elton Brown for a 1970 pinto with no tires.

Buying:
I am an idiot for buying Vonage, the biggest rip off since the Cardinals 2003 season that was highlighted by a 44-6 butt whooping by the Browns.

Selling:
My ability to spell, and my grammar skills

 

[BACH]

Buying: Russ Grimm's smash-mouth OL and the more physical approach will make our skill players even more dangerous.

Buying: Matt Leinart developing into one of the best QBs in the league.

Selling: Pope becoming a good TE. Pope will start and probably be adequate starter, but we never be a solid starter.

Selling: Antrel Rolle as a #1 CB. Rolle with never be a great CB, but could become an awesome FS.

Selling: BB as a 3-4 OLB.

Buying: Okeafor as a 3-4 OLB.

Buying: Wells at LG.

Selling: Gandy at LT.

 

[phillycard]

But then again k9, you love to play the devils advocate.

As to "what do people know about the Cardinals living 1600 miles away, living on the east coast"....it's more than 1600 miles from anywhere on the east coast to Phoenix, just an FYI)....but I was a season ticket holder when I lived in Scottsdale (1989-2002) and have followed this team since the days of Sam Etchevery.....any idea as to who he was...or were you not born than?

K9, did you really say that? I've never known you to be anti-out of towner.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

K9, did you really say that? I've never known you to be anti-out of towner.

Meh, don't worry Phillycard we know we are good fans, and have a great knowledge of the Cardinal's TEAM.

I can't say I know much about the desert, or the politics in the local townships concerning the team and I try to never talk about or give an opinion about things like that since I know nothing about it.

Anyone ever questions my loyalty I just tell them about all the Cardinals vs Giants/Jets, and Cardinals vs Eagles games I go to.

Not to mention my only vacation since I have been out of college was spent traveling to Texas to see the Cardinals vs. Texans.

Furthermore, I cannot wait to go out to Arizona and see them on the home turf.

That and the $200+ beans I throw down per year to watch all their games.

Selling: People who hate on there own kind.

NOTE: K9 in the next few threads says he likes out of towners.

Buying: Fans are fans.

 

[kerouac9]

K9, did you really say that? I've never known you to be anti-out of towner.

I'm not. I'm a little befuddled by people living on the east coast commenting on the development of Cardinal players or the atmosphere on Hardy Drive when there's no possible way they can be witness to such.

Personally, I love out of town fans. I have tons of love for every poster here who flies out for a game, or invested $200+ for DirecTV so that s/he can watch a really bad product when they could just as easily watch real football games on another channel.

I'm just skeptical when someone in Charlotte or Foxborough or wherever posts that "Qasim Mitchell is in the best shape of his career and is ready to compete for a starting job."

 

[football karma]

Reggie Wells is a starter, and we may be stuck with his contract, as well (an underrated mistake by Rod Graves is placing the wrong tender on Reggie Wells in the 2006 offseason). That's eight players.

to be fair -- even if they did put the right tender on him last offseason -- he likely would have signed the one year deal, and then have been a free agent this past offseason -- where the money for offensive linemen was a little nutty.

That would have left the Cardinals facing the prospect of either a bigger contract for Reggie than the current one, or finding his replacement.

As much as some on the board like to bag on him, two offensive line coaches in a row have come here and concluded that he is a pretty good offensive lineman -- and -- Buffalo decided to throw big money at him last offseason. While neither of those things are guarantees that he is good, they do have more credibility than the opinions of message board posters.

 

[kerouac9]

More Buying and Selling

Buying: Ken Whisenhunt as head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. Like a new car, the value immediately depreciates after purchase, but could be a solid long-term investment.

Selling: Russ Grimm as Assistant Head Coach of the Arizona Cardinals. The sheen will be on him even if the Cards' OL struggles, as long as the Steelers' OL struggles, as well. Is the early frontrunner for 2008 HC openings.

Buying: 3-4 Defense assistant coaches. Look at the coaching rosters in Dallas, Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, San Diego, and maybe even San Francisco. We'll be drawing from that pool very soon. If Tomlin secures his job with a positive 2007, look closely at Dick LeBeau.

Selling: Clancy Pendergast as DC. His defenses have underperformed despite infusions of talent. He couldn't stand up to his superiors (Denny Green) or his inferiors (Richard Solomon). He's a lame duck for a head coach that has no loyalty to him.

Buying: Shane Boyd as training camp All-Pro. For some reason, the local hacks are loving Boyd, and we'll hear a lot about him through the summer.

Selling: Shane Boyd as NFL-caliber quarterback. When the lights come on, Boyd shows his true colors. Think of him as an offensive Calvin Pace.

Buying: Calvin Pace's roster spot. He's in a contract year and could collect 4 to 6 sacks as a 3rd OLB as long as he's protected by good DE play.

Selling: Brandon Johnson's roster spot. Where would you line this guy up? He was only active for 3 games as a rookie. The Cards will likely sneak him onto the practice squad.

Buying: Alan Branch at defensive end. If he can maintain his discipline and conditioning, Branch has far more value at DE than he does at NT in this defensive scheme. Watson and Clancy should be able to hold down the fort occupying blockers. Let Branch split some double-teams and collect 3-4 sacks every season.

Selling: Gerald Hayes's ability to stay healthy. He really came on at the beginning of last season, but I wonder if his health isn't the reason he fell in the draft despite a productive career at Pitt. He'll be even less protected in the 3-4 scheme.

Buying: Monty Beisel's value to the Arizona Cardinals. Buster Davis likely will make his main contributions on special teams for his rookie season. Beisel's familiarity with 3-4 concept from his time in New England and his ability to drop into coverage will be huge advantages for him.

Selling: Undrafted free agents making the 53-man roster. I just don't see it coming together for a lot of these guys. They're camp fodder, for the most part. All those fullbacks are going to help our RBs learn how to run behind them, but we only need one.

 

[BigRedRage]

I'm not. I'm a little befuddled by people living on the east coast commenting on the development of Cardinal players or the atmosphere on Hardy Drive when there's no possible way they can be witness to such.

Personally, I love out of town fans. I have tons of love for every poster here who flies out for a game, or invested $200+ for DirecTV so that s/he can watch a really bad product when they could just as easily watch real football games on another channel.

I'm just skeptical when someone in Charlotte or Foxborough or wherever posts that "Qasim Mitchell is in the best shape of his career and is ready to compete for a starting job."

Do you actually go to hardy drive or are you just reading the forum, internet and tv stuff he is reading? It's not like you exit your house in the morning and can feel the energy from Warner and Hardy, we are just as distanced as he is.

 

[kerouac9]

Do you actually go to hardy drive or are you just reading the forum, internet and tv stuff he is reading? It's not like you exit your house in the morning and can feel the energy from Warner and Hardy, we are just as distanced as he is.

But I don't comment on the atmosphere at Warner and Hardy for that very reason. I'll say what I think we should expect from players, or comment on someone else's opinion. I think that's totally in-bounds. But I think to assert insider knowledge makes as little sense as posters drawing conclusions about a player's mental state from his body language following an incomplete pass on 3rd and 8.

I'd just like to know where assertions like "Darnell Dockett is ready to take the reins of defensive leadership from Bertrand Berry" really come from...

 

[BigRedRage]

Most likely just an opinion based on different articles, that much makes sence, I was not following the entire thing just trying to see how it even matters where u live.

 

[jefftheshark]

I'd just like to know where assertions like "Darnell Dockett is ready to take the reins of defensive leadership from Bertrand Berry" really come from...

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Although I have to tell you, that damn bird was really off the mark when he told me that Oliver Ross was thinking "last year was really going to be "his" year".

The Shark

 

[Sandan]

Selling:

Can Graves ever be talked about negatively without Nidan defending him ?

Sorry, Nidan had to do it.

Yes but not by K9

 

[SuperSpck]

But I don't comment on the atmosphere at Warner and Hardy for that very reason. I'll say what I think we should expect from players, or comment on someone else's opinion. I think that's totally in-bounds. But I think to assert insider knowledge makes as little sense as posters drawing conclusions about a player's mental state from his body language following an incomplete pass on 3rd and 8.

I'd just like to know where assertions like "Darnell Dockett is ready to take the reins of defensive leadership from Bertrand Berry" really come from...

I get it. I'm cool with the track you're laying down.

By the way, judging from the way Kurt Warner's slightly-curved incisor tooth is gleaming, he'll be ready to not only back up, but to even challenge for the starting job. As outside Linebacker. At least that's the breeze blowing in from good ole' Laurel Hardy Drive.

 

[kerouac9]

I get it. I'm cool with the track you're laying down.

By the way, judging from the way Kurt Warner's slightly-curved incisor tooth is gleaming, he'll be ready to not only back up, but to even challenge for the starting job. As outside Linebacker. At least that's the breeze blowing in from good ole' Laurel Hardy Drive.

4/5

 

[kerouac9]

Hate to see this thread get buried

Bump for an All NFL Buying and Selling Post!

Buying: Carson Palmer as AFC MVP. His mechanics will improve and his offensive line will be better than last season's. His defense should improve, as well. Watch out for the Bengals in 2007.

Selling: The New York Jets repeating in the playoffs. This team will erase the mark of the 1998 Arizona Cardinals as the worst playoff team ever. They define the word "fluke".

Buying: Byron Leftwich for Comeback Player of the Year. He knows that he's The Man in Jacksonville this season and his weapons are finally starting to mature.

Selling: Vince Young's continuing development. The Titans really needed to get this young man some weapons on the outside. They don't have the running threat that they did last season, and teams aren't going to overlook the Titans next year.

Buying: A resurgent Philadelphia Eagles. I think they win the division and #1 seed going away. Dallas I think will slump some because it's possible Parcells' aggresiveness drove them to win. New York will earn a wild card spot.

Selling: The Buffalo Bills. Ugh, I don't know what Marv Levy and Dick Jauron are thinking up there. I like their offense, but their defense scares the bejeezus out of me.

Buying: David Carr as starting quarterback in the playoffs. I really, really like Carolina's roster, and I think that Jake Delhomme may come down with a "nagging injury" midway through the season, and Carr's star will really rise.

Selling: The Kansas City Chiefs' window of opportunity. Larry Johnson can't tote the rock 400+ times again this season. Their offensive line is a mess. I think that Johnson, Croyle, and Bowe can become a good offensive corps, but by the time they do, their defense is going to be mostly retired.

 

[Cards Czar]

I have my chair all ready to view K9 when he pukes in his mouth. We will all cheer Hooooo Reyyy!! and toast that with a beer.






Navy Mike

 

[CtCardinals78]

I love off season thread rumbles!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Bump for an All NFL Buying and Selling Post!

Buying: Carson Palmer as AFC MVP. His mechanics will improve and his offensive line will be better than last season's. His defense should improve, as well. Watch out for the Bengals in 2007.

Selling: The New York Jets repeating in the playoffs. This team will erase the mark of the 1998 Arizona Cardinals as the worst playoff team ever. They define the word "fluke".

Buying: Byron Leftwich for Comeback Player of the Year. He knows that he's The Man in Jacksonville this season and his weapons are finally starting to mature.

Selling: Vince Young's continuing development. The Titans really needed to get this young man some weapons on the outside. They don't have the running threat that they did last season, and teams aren't going to overlook the Titans next year.

Buying: A resurgent Philadelphia Eagles. I think they win the division and #1 seed going away. Dallas I think will slump some because it's possible Parcells' aggresiveness drove them to win. New York will earn a wild card spot.

Selling: The Buffalo Bills. Ugh, I don't know what Marv Levy and Dick Jauron are thinking up there. I like their offense, but their defense scares the bejeezus out of me.

Buying: David Carr as starting quarterback in the playoffs. I really, really like Carolina's roster, and I think that Jake Delhomme may come down with a "nagging injury" midway through the season, and Carr's star will really rise.

Selling: The Kansas City Chiefs' window of opportunity. Larry Johnson can't tote the rock 400+ times again this season. Their offensive line is a mess. I think that Johnson, Croyle, and Bowe can become a good offensive corps, but by the time they do, their defense is going to be mostly retired.

Good idea!

Selling: NE is going to the Superbowl. I will give them A.Thomas. That was a good pick up. Dante Stallworth, Randy Moss, Kelly Washington, and ?.Walker are more hype than anything. Moss will return to his old ways, Stallworth is the definition of a hot/cold player, Kelly Washington is not even as good as Bryant Johnson, and Wes Walker is a one hit wonder. With the defense getting older and older at LB and they still have questions about the secondary AND Asante Samuels is not happy.

Buying: Brady Quinn being an NFL quarterback. I look for Cleveland to have a similar season to us last year. They have the weapons in offense. The defense is solid. Quinn will bring the leadership and never say die attitude that Leinart gave us last year and utilize K2, and Braylon Edwards. The question is even if Cleveland improves as a team can Romeo survive another 5 ot 6 win season.

Selling: LaMont Jordan will lose his starting RB role. Jordan is a very good back behind a miserable OL. If the OL improves Jordan improves ala E.James here in the desert. D.Rhodes, and Michael Bush are not (Bush = at least not now) in Jordan's league.

Buying: Travis Henry will have a MONSTER year.

 

[BACH]

Buying: Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler developing into premier QBs

Selling: Vince Young as a premier QB.

Buying: The Denver Broncos. If Cutler takes it to the next level, the Broncos is the most complete team in the league behind the Patriots.

Selling: The Chargers and Cowboys as elite team. Their new coaching staffs with result in learning year and dissapointing records.

Buying: The upgrades made by the 49'ers will result in improvement.

Selling: The upgrades made by the Browns and Bucs. The Browns still have too many holes. The Bucs are still old.

Buying: The Jets, 49'ers and Cardinals as teams on the rise.

Selling: The Titans, Giants and Jaguars as teams on the rise.

 

[Duckjake]

At least that's the breeze blowing in from good ole' Laurel & Hardy Drive.

I can't believe it took 20 years for somebody to come up with that.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Team by Team

AFC East
NE Pats
Buying: They will win the Superbowl
Selling: Their LB's corps is weak due to age

NYJ
Buying: They will be in contention for the AFC East title again
Selling: Chad Pennington as QB

BUF
Buying: Marshawn Lynch will be a solid RB
Selling: JP Losman as long term QB

MIA
Buying: Jason Taylor having another lights out year
Selling: The critisim of passing on Quinn. Beck has real potential

AFC North
BAL
Buying: Age is catching up with the D
Selling: McNair at QB much longer

PIT
Buying: Mike Tomlin as head coach
Selling: PIT winning with Big Ben throwing more yikes!

CLE
Buying: They had the best draft. Three huge picks with star talent
Selling: This is Crennels' last year in CLE

CIN
Buying: Carson Palmer becoming a leader
Selling: That they still have a bad D

AFC South

IND
Buying: Their chances as long as Manning is there
Selling: Any talk of Dungy retiring soon

TEN
Buying: Pacman is done with TEN
Selling: TEN didn't do a good enough job building talent around VY

HOU
Buying: This defensive front 7. Demarco Ryans, Demario Williams, Amobi Okoye holy crap! Potential in the making
Selling: That HOU will still be bad

JAX
Buying: Their defense is awesome
Selling: Leftwich as QB

AFC West
DEN
Buying: Jay Culter will have most wins out of the 2006 QB class
Selling: Talk of them being serious contenders in AFC

KC
Buying: Not Much LJ can win rushing title
Selling: Huard at QB

SAN
Buying: LT as MVP
Selling: Norv Turner won't be successful as HC

OAK
Buying: Kiffen will be a good HC
Selling: Jamrcus Russell hype

NFC East
DAL
Buying: They could win NFC
Selling: Romo will be as successful as last year

WAS
Buying: Joe Gibbs could be done past this season
Selling: Campbell as QB

PHL
Buying: McNabb is in serious jeopardy for his job.
Selling: Questions surronding D effectivness due to age

NYG
Buying: Coughlin is done and Eli is in serious trouble is they do bad again
Selling: Eli as a QB man does he suck

NFC North

CHI
Buying: Another shot at the Superbowl
Selling: Talk of Grossman being a bad QB

MIN
Buying: QB concerns will hold this team back from contention
Selling: Peterson's health questions. He'll be the best back in this division

DET
Buying: This team is better than what they were last year
Selling: Mike Martz as a coordinater. Martz+Millen=Damnit!

GB
Buying: The defense. Very underrated
Selling: They have a shot at playoffs as long as Farve is still playing. HA!

NFC South

ATL
Buying: Could be Vicks last year as QB in the ATL
Selling: Vick rushing for another 1,000 yards

NO
Buying: That they could be in the Superbowl this year. Signing Grant to an extension was brilliant.
Selling: Their CB's. They must improve this year.

TB
Buying:Jeff Garcia at QB. Could be a starter watch out.
Selling: Gaines Adams will be better than Simeon Rice was.

CAR
Buying: That if they stay healthy the D will be #1 in the conference
Selling: That whiny baby Delhomme at QB. Maybe as overrated as Eli is.

NFC West

SEA
Buying: Alexander will rush for 1500 yards
Selling: The Hawks will win the NFC West

SF
Buying: They will win the NFC West
Selling: They have a bad WR corps and Turners loss will hurt Smith.

STL
Buying: They are getting older and Bulger is loosing effectiveness.
Selling: They will be in contention in NFC West.

ARZ
Buying: Whiz will be AZ's coach for the long haul and will be successful. Also Matt's breakout year.
Selling: AZ making the playoffs. One more year.

 

[football karma]

What I am selling:

Dallas as a Superbowl team, or even a top notch contender.

In the latest truth or rumors at CNNSI, it says the Jones Sr and Jr made it clear to any potential coach that TO had to get the ball.

Its pretty clear that Parcells said that either he or TO goes, and we know what Jerry picked.

The message has been sent to the team -- not only do the inmates run the asylum, but the absolute craziest one of them all is in charge.

Thats my take and I am sticking to it.

 

[football karma]

and as a follow up, from this morning's Dallas Morning News:

Absent Cowboys disrespect coach
Posted: Saturday June 02, 2007 07:50AM ET
If the Cowboys' Organized Team Activities weren't important, new coach Wade Phillips wouldn't have scheduled them. It's disrespectful that veterans like Terry Glenn, Julius Jones and Terrell Owens have skipped most of the limited-contact practices that can't last more than two hours. Besides, Glenn is the only member of that trio who played to his potential last year. Owens led the league in drops and complaints, and Jones was a nonfactor in the second half of the season

 

[spanky1]

Team by Team

AFC East
NE Pats
Buying: They will win the Superbowl
Selling: Their LB's corps is weak due to age

NYJ
Buying: They will be in contention for the AFC East title again
Selling: Chad Pennington as QB

BUF
Buying: Marshawn Lynch will be a solid RB
Selling: JP Losman as long term QB

MIA
Buying: Jason Taylor having another lights out year
Selling: The critisim of passing on Quinn. Beck has real potential

AFC North
BAL
Buying: Age is catching up with the D
Selling: McNair at QB much longer

PIT
Buying: Mike Tomlin as head coach
Selling: PIT winning with Big Ben throwing more yikes!

CLE
Buying: They had the best draft. Three huge picks with star talent
Selling: This is Crennels' last year in CLE

CIN
Buying: Carson Palmer becoming a leader
Selling: That they still have a bad D

AFC South

IND
Buying: Their chances as long as Manning is there
Selling: Any talk of Dungy retiring soon

TEN
Buying: Pacman is done with TEN
Selling: TEN didn't do a good enough job building talent around VY

HOU
Buying: This defensive front 7. Demarco Ryans, Demario Williams, Amobi Okoye holy crap! Potential in the making
Selling: That HOU will still be bad

JAX
Buying: Their defense is awesome
Selling: Leftwich as QB

AFC West
DEN
Buying: Jay Culter will have most wins out of the 2006 QB class
Selling: Talk of them being serious contenders in AFC

KC
Buying: Not Much LJ can win rushing title
Selling: Huard at QB

SAN
Buying: LT as MVP
Selling: Norv Turner won't be successful as HC

OAK
Buying: Kiffen will be a good HC
Selling: Jamrcus Russell hype

NFC East
DAL
Buying: They could win NFC
Selling: Romo will be as successful as last year

WAS
Buying: Joe Gibbs could be done past this season
Selling: Campbell as QB

PHL
Buying: McNabb is in serious jeopardy for his job.
Selling: Questions surronding D effectivness due to age

NYG
Buying: Coughlin is done and Eli is in serious trouble is they do bad again
Selling: Eli as a QB man does he suck

NFC North

CHI
Buying: Another shot at the Superbowl
Selling: Talk of Grossman being a bad QB

MIN
Buying: QB concerns will hold this team back from contention
Selling: Peterson's health questions. He'll be the best back in this division

DET
Buying: This team is better than what they were last year
Selling: Mike Martz as a coordinater. Martz+Millen=Damnit!

GB
Buying: The defense. Very underrated
Selling: They have a shot at playoffs as long as Farve is still playing. HA!

NFC South

ATL
Buying: Could be Vicks last year as QB in the ATL
Selling: Vick rushing for another 1,000 yards

NO
Buying: That they could be in the Superbowl this year. Signing Grant to an extension was brilliant.
Selling: Their CB's. They must improve this year.

TB
Buying:Jeff Garcia at QB. Could be a starter watch out.
Selling: Gaines Adams will be better than Simeon Rice was.

CAR
Buying: That if they stay healthy the D will be #1 in the conference
Selling: That whiny baby Delhomme at QB. Maybe as overrated as Eli is.

NFC West

SEA
Buying: Alexander will rush for 1500 yards
Selling: The Hawks will win the NFC West

SF
Buying: They will win the NFC West
Selling: They have a bad WR corps and Turners loss will hurt Smith.

STL
Buying: They are getting older and Bulger is loosing effectiveness.
Selling: They will be in contention in NFC West.

ARZ
Buying: Whiz will be AZ's coach for the long haul and will be successful. Also Matt's breakout year.
Selling: AZ making the playoffs. One more year.

Great revival of the post.....and I like the thoughts you've opened up. Thumbs up