Thinking December 15th starts trades

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On December 15th begins the period where players can be traded after being under contract for three months. I expect to hear a lot of rumors coming out tomorrow (actually started today) about certain players being moved. I'm hoping and expecting to see the Suns try to make a move soon. It seems a lot of teams want to make trades as well. IMO, this is the first big test of the Suns FO to get something significant done.
 

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My Christmas wish list:

1. Thompson
2. Turkoglu outta here
3. Another PF, Randolph? For protected first rounder.
 
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The Thabeet trade rumors are going strong. He could be probably be had cheap if any team is interested.
 

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NJ is looking to trade.
Troy Murphy could help this team right away.
Long term I also like Terrance Williams,who has just been called up from the D-League.
NJ is looking ahead long term,which is where the Suns should be looking as well BTW,but the Suns are surely looking for a band-aid to improve this already recycled roster so i dont know if either team can help each other.
Nets general manager Billy King says he expects to make some trades this season.
"We'll probably do some deals before the deadline, I'm pretty sure," King said. "When you have your record like we are, you've got to do some things to get better."
The Nets are 6-18 and currently on a seven-game losing streak.
King added that any deal will be made with an eye on the long-term rather than a short-term fix.
"That's my job, is to stay on the phones and find something that'll help us," King said. "And that's what I'll continue to do."
 
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NJ is looking to trade.
Troy Murphy could help this team right away.

Looking at his playing time this season with NJ, he definitely should be available. I don't know about his contract. On the surface, Murphy should be a good fit with the Suns. Personally I'd rather have a younger player. I wonder what it would take to get him. Maybe the Suns could absorb some of his salary with a TE and send a smaller salaried player back.
 

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Looking at his playing time this season with NJ, he definitely should be available. I don't know about his contract. On the surface, Murphy should be a good fit with the Suns. Personally I'd rather have a younger player. I wonder what it would take to get him. Maybe the Suns could absorb some of his salary with a TE and send a smaller salaried player back.
Murphy is in the last year of a $11.9 contract.
It would be difficult to aquire Murphy w/out the Suns including JRich and say,Dudley or Childress....while NJ could throw in Terrance Williams(who i do like BTW),and maybe Joe Smith. At that point a trade to aquire Murphy for JRich becomes pretty lopsided in NJ's favor obviously....making it not very smart for us if the idea is to make a push now.


I agree,the Suns need to look at getting younger players w/upside, but thats not been the M.O. here for awhile.
 
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If the Suns would include a somewhat protected first round pick in a trade they have the pieces to get a younger big man that is not getting playing time. The Suns don't know how to draft anyway.
 
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Thabeet is terrible. I never want to see him in Phoenix let alone in a Suns jersey. If you think Frye is soft wait til you see Thabeet.

I'd trade Barron plus some TE for him.

The Suns would not miss a beat. :D
 

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I'd trade Barron plus some TE for him.

The Suns would not miss a beat. :D

Except you can't trade any TE and a player together. Interesting how many people forget that. :D

Anyway, historically, December 15th doesn't mean squat. You won't see trades until February.
 
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Except you can't trade any TE and a player together. Interesting how many people forget that. :D

Anyway, historically, December 15th doesn't mean squat. You won't see trades until February.

I figured Thabeet made more than Barron. I thought the TE could be used to make the salaries work in a trade.
 

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I figured Thabeet made more than Barron. I thought the TE could be used to make the salaries work in a trade.

No, it would have to be two deals: Barron for nothing, with Memphis absorbing his salary as a minimum (which can always be done, if I'm not mistaken); and then Thabeet for nothing, with the Suns absorbing his salary with the TE. The "nothings" could be distant second-round picks or something.

So in effect it would be a Barron for Thabeet deal, but technically it would be two separate transactions.
 
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No, it would have to be two deals: Barron for nothing, with Memphis absorbing his salary as a minimum (which can always be done, if I'm not mistaken); and then Thabeet for nothing, with the Suns absorbing his salary with the TE. The "nothings" could be late second-round picks or something.

So in effect it would be a Barron for Thabeet deal, but technically it would be two separate transactions.

Thanks for the clarification.
 

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Of course then the question is whether there would be any point moving Barron. The Suns can still use him, and it's unlikely that Memphis wants him.
 
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Of course then the question is whether there would be any point moving Barron. The Suns can still use him, and it's unlikely that Memphis wants him.

The whole trade scenario was meant as a joke hence the big grin, but then it turned more realistic trying to figure out how it could work. I don't think Barron has any trade value unless he were a throw-in in a larger trade.
 

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Let's trade Turkoglu to the Nets for ...somebody. And while we're at it, sneakily swap the Lopez brothers.

Seriously, I'd love to see a hard working power forward with a reasonable jump shot in Phoenix - a Brandon Bass kind of guy.

What I expect is a trade that includes J-Rich. If there is any way to shed more salary, Sarver will walk that route. I do hope for Nash and Hill to either end their respective careers with the Suns or have another title shot with a contender that is not L.A.
If we could somehow acquire a first rounder, that would be nice, too.
 

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Coro suggested the Suns may/should look at Marreese Speights who may be available. I don't know why he's not playing, but I certainly wouldn't mind trading a pick + Clark for him.

As far as Dec. 15th, that applies to Childress, Frye and Warrick. I don't think Childress has much trade value right now. He is making $6.5M this year, with four more years under contract. Trading Childress is not really an option.

Frye may hold some value, but he is actually contributing this season. He won't be traded nor should he. No point trading a big for a big, unless the big we'd be getting is super-talented.

Warrick has played well enough that his trade value might have gone up a bit. But he's about the only player we have who has been able to execute pick-and-rolls consistently. Trading a capable PF away when that's the position you are trying to fill is probably not a good idea. Warrick could still start later on when Lopez comes back and plays better.

So our trading options are very limited. No one is going to take Turkoglu off our hands and actually give us someone useful in return. The only options imo are to either trade Richardson for a high-salaried player like Dalembert, which obviously carries its risks, or to try to swap Clark + pick for a low salaried one like Anythony Randolph, Hickson, or Speights. It may not be enough to get those.
 

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No one is going to take Turkoglu off our hands and actually give us someone useful in return.

I still disagree with that. The "useful" player would have to be overpaid and on a negative-value contract, but such a trade wouldn't be impossible, and it could potentially help the Suns.

For example, Orlando would probably accept Turkoglu/JRichardson/Warrick for Lewis/Gortat/QRichardson. It gets them out of Lewis's contract, which is much worse than Turkoglu's, and makes them more dynamic offensively. Do I like that trade for Phoenix, no, but it might not be a complete disaster.
 

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Coro suggested the Suns may/should look at Marreese Speights who may be available. I don't know why he's not playing, but I certainly wouldn't mind trading a pick + Clark for him.

I recall Collins was always unusually complimentary of Clark when he was doing color-commentary(national broadcasts) for Suns games last year. I could see a Clark for Speights swap straight-up. I haven't cheked the salary numbers, but I don't see why we'd have to include anything more valuewise considering Speights can't get off the bench either.

I'm not sure Speights helps us too much, but he's shown a lot more than Clark. Anybody know what the knock on him is? I assume, it's lack of defense which means he's a perfect fit.
 

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Mareese Speights would be a pretty decent exchange for Clark. He gets 12 minutes per game but could be the starter in Phoenix. Didn't he drop 20 on the Suns last year? I'd definitely trade Earl Clark for Speights. I don't think a pick would be necessary, they don't even play him. Well here's something I found

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nba&id=1516
Marreese Speights is having issues with shot selection, defense and possibly work ethic that have him planted firmly in the doghouse for coach Doug Collins.
Speights, who is not shooting well from the outside, typically enters a game and shoots a long jumper on his first touch. Only 28 percent of his shots have come from 10 feet or closer this season, which is obviously a problem for Collins. He's also struggling to rebound and play defense, and is showing no signs of becoming relevant for the Sixers anytime soon.

He sounds a lot like Earl Clark lol.
 

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Beidrins/Ellis for Turk/Richardson - GS is struggling, Ellis cant play with Curry. They get an expiring SG and unload two of their largest contracts.

Lopez for Randolph. NY gets a C and Amare can play PF. Randolph steps in and gives us some front court presence.

Beidrins/Barron
Randolph/Frye
Hill/Warrick/Dudley
Ellis/Chill/Dudley
Nash/Dragic

Except for Nash/Hill this is a young team that would be fun to watch. We get some size up front that can actual rebound.

(put this together in 2 mins, so it probably isnt anywhere close to realistic)
 
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I like Mareese Speights a lot. He is still raw but can play now. He would give the Suns a presence inside He is only 23 and I think Gentry can coach him up. Finally the Suns would take a significant step towards putting some beef on the frontline.
 

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