This is getting absurd Shipp is our man!

[RugbyMuffin]

What the flipping H E double hockey sticks is going on around here?

This is team needs talent in a lot or areas BUT running back is not one of them.

Marcel Shipp has YET to be given a full year to test his skills, and I don't think you will find a better back up than Emmitt Smith.

Marcel Shipp runs hard, hits holes quickly, can catch, and breaks tackles.

He is a the running back for the new era. With all teams going to a quicker and and lighter defensive personell Shipp is the bone cruncher needed to run right over a defense.

He also played with three popped bursa sacks so he is tough and realiable against injury.

We need a CB, a QB, a RT, a whole mess of defensive linemen, SS, and a #2 WR that is a deep threat.

IF we spend FA $ or draft picks on a RB then it would be a waste of time and money.

Yes, Green likes speed, but he also likes talent. And Shipp has talent.

Plus he had the worste supporting cast of all time. Of course you load up against the run playing the Cardinals. Jeff Blake, and McCown are about as a intimidating as pink and purple teddy bears.

Peace

 

[green machine]

I fully expect Shipp to get his chance this year. He really has earned it. I believe that he will prove that he is a top tier back.

 

[Goldfield]

I love Shipp.

I dont think he is an A+ RB.


But I do think he is a solid B.


RB is not a position of need.

 

[Second Deck]

Originally posted by BEERZ
I love Shipp.

I dont think he is an A+ RB.


But I do think he is a solid B.


RB is not a position of need.

I agree Shipp needs to be the number 1 no questions ask.. RB is one of the stronger postions on this team. With DA questionable may need to draft one middle rounds.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Rugby. Careful youll be branded a problem child that harps on one subject and you are being negative because you are going against the "system"

But I of course whole heartedly agree with you.

 

[BigRed]

I also agree. Since when did RB become a priority. Do you guys in Az hear stuff that doesn't hit the internet? If so share the info.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Thanks for stating what I've been feeling, Rugby. This team has a lot of needs. This position is not one of them.

 

[earthsci]

Originally posted by swd1974
Rugby. Careful youll be branded a problem child that harps on one subject and you are being negative because you are going against the "system"

Big difference between

"Marcell Shipp has done great and busts his ass. We shouldn't be talking about replacing him."

and

"Oh my god, I can't believe that the Cardinals won that game! We are going down the tubes for the next ten years. You guys are idiots for being happy about the win. You guys are horrible fans."

 

[TRW]

While certainly not an area that needs addressed immediately, I think the RB position is in need of some quality depth. Emmitt is done IMO and Scobey is a good Special Team player but not a sufficient back up in the NFL.

Shipp is a good RB, that's it. He's servicable and runs hard all of the time a la Larry Centers. BUT, I think we have seen he has a durability issue as the season runs on because of the way he runs. He needs someone behind him who can step in and not lose the momentum that Shipp established. The Cards don't have that guy.

I think if the Cards can get a top flight runner that Shipp could be replaced even. Not a necessity but if they can do it I wouldn't cry about it at all. Shipp's a nice player but not one you run to the Super Bowl with.

 

[NFL_FAN]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
He also played with three popped bursa sacks so he is tough and realiable against injury.

Peace

The guy popped his sack?? Man, that had to hurt, wasn't he wearing a cup?

 

[cardsunsfan]

With all the problems we have I don't think running back is one of them...the draft is always crap shoot anyways. Why spend a pick on running back when we have much bigger holes? We should be at least adequate at running back, a draft pick may or may not help us in that regard. Now in other areas there is a much better chance that the pick will help us even if that pick only ends up being average...

 

[wierwolf]

I can't believe this. All through the season, I was reading how give the rock to Shipp the Tugboat, whatever. Now all of a sudden he is only ok? What happened to all you die hard Shipp fans? I think he is great. what he needs is a consistent OL and a QB that can make plays so teams don't stack the run. Shipp was tearing it up until he got injured. I think somepeople's Kool-Aid has gone sour. Time to make another batch!!!! With the Anderson situation we may need some depth, but don't give up on shipp. He's the work horse here.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I wouldn't define him as a work horse just yet... I work horse is someone you can give the ball to again and again and get consistant yardage, Shipp wasn't like that last year. He definitely lost a step when the season wore on. The one thing I hope Emmitt teaches shipp is how to be able to take the carries without seeing a dropoff. The problem though is I think most of it is genetic. Some running backs wear down, others don't.....

 

[TRW]

"Great" is an over used word. Shipp is not a "great" RB in my opinion. He is very good but "great"? No, I don't think so.

He needs some quality back ups to take some of the load from him. Running him 30 times a game will make his career very, very short. Give the Tugboat 18-20 carries AVERAGE per game and mix in a couple of other guys and I think he'll do fine.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by wierwolf
I can't believe this. All through the season, I was reading how give the rock to Shipp the Tugboat, whatever. Now all of a sudden he is only ok? What happened to all you die hard Shipp fans? I think he is great. what he needs is a consistent OL and a QB that can make plays so teams don't stack the run. Shipp was tearing it up until he got injured. I think somepeople's Kool-Aid has gone sour. Time to make another batch!!!! With the Anderson situation we may need some depth, but don't give up on shipp. He's the work horse here.

Shipp was tearing it up to such an extent that over 800+ yards and 200+ carries, he found the end zone 0 times. That's what football experts call "a cause for concern".

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Shipp was tearing it up to such an extent that over 800+ yards and 200+ carries, he found the end zone 0 times. That's what football experts call "a cause for concern".

Again, I think you will find that a lot of this is due to play calling in the red zone. No he doesnt have the speed to normally break a 60+yard run, but not every back does. That doesnt mean he isnt a good one.

Having said that, the RB poitions IS an area of weakness for this team right now. Anderson more than likely gone, and Emmitt, if he doesnt retire, cant carry the whole load. Shipp, although tough, has shown that he does wear down as the season goes on. No one here knows if he can play through a 16-game season.

I say a second day RB in the draft (or a 2nd -3rd steal if someone slips) is a neccesity for this team.

 

[tigertat]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Shipp was tearing it up to such an extent that over 800+ yards and 200+ carries, he found the end zone 0 times. That's what football experts call "a cause for concern".

Exactly. The guy is good(although inconsistent) but will not last a whole season with his running style. I dont think anyone is stating that we want a first round RB but if a nice fast change of style type back can be had in later rounds or FA why the heck not. IMO it should be addressed.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
I say a second day RB in the draft (or a 2nd -3rd steal if someone slips) is a neccesity for this team.

This is what I'm saying. I just don't believe that Shipp is the long-term answer or that people should be happy with Shipp's performance all season long. He had a handful of big games, but then disappeared as a part of the Cards game plan, and he failed to even notch a 20-30 yard TD run (or catch, for that matter).

It's sad to hear the Pasch call on 1060 when Shipp runs for a long TD and remember that he hasn't seen the endzone in 13 months or whatever.

Frankly, the fewer red-zone carries that Marcel gets, the better. I think that 80% of his fumbles are inside the 10. I don't know if it's coaching or what, but I hold my breath everytime I see him take a hand-off inside the 5.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I agree that Shipp is a good back but he is no where near an elite running back. Also, Shipp seems to get the benefit of the doubt all the time. If he is running good its because he is a great running back, but when he runs poorly its because the offensive line is terrible.

Tomlinson, Henry, James, Portis, Davis, Alexander, Green etc... are elite backs. Shipp is a notch below, somewhere in the Anthony Thomas range. Very serviceable but not a superstar.

I agree that we should look elsewhere instead of running back in the draft, but I am not completely sold on Shipp.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by kerouac9
This is what I'm saying. I just don't believe that Shipp is the long-term answer or that people should be happy with Shipp's performance all season long. He had a handful of big games, but then disappeared as a part of the Cards game plan, and he failed to even notch a 20-30 yard TD run (or catch, for that matter).

It's sad to hear the Pasch call on 1060 when Shipp runs for a long TD and remember that he hasn't seen the endzone in 13 months or whatever.

Frankly, the fewer red-zone carries that Marcel gets, the better. I think that 80% of his fumbles are inside the 10. I don't know if it's coaching or what, but I hold my breath everytime I see him take a hand-off inside the 5.

He had 6 rushing TD's 2 years ago so he can find the endzone but you are making good points for why we should look for help.

One kid I like is Shaud Williams from Alabama, I was reading some Senior Bowl stuff on ESPN, apparently Shaud measured just over 5'7" and about 184 at the Senior Bowl, so he's probably going to slip on draft day. Not as elusive as say Quentin Griffin, but he's just as fast, has great hands(they said they measure hands and he actually has bigger hands then even Greg Jones) and he's been a breakaway guy at Bama. Nice change of pace back, pound with Shipp, then bring in a speed guy now and then.

Shaud would seem to fit in Green's style of offense because he's fast and can catch the ball, the problem is I don't think he'll be able to do much blitz pickup in the NFL.

I think when you see how many RB's taken after the first round do well, you almost HAVE to take a RB every year in the hopes you find a steal now and then.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by earthsci
Big difference between

"Marcell Shipp has done great and busts his ass. We shouldn't be talking about replacing him."

and

"Oh my god, I can't believe that the Cardinals won that game! We are going down the tubes for the next ten years. You guys are idiots for being happy about the win. You guys are horrible fans."

yeah, let's rehash this again! why must this constantly be brought up? EVERYONE needs to drop it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

imo rb is not a huge need. shipp is serviceable. is he great? no. is he average? i think he's better than average. the problem . . . is two fold:

1) we have yet to see if he can handle the entire season and continue to be productive with a good offensive system.

2) denny green likes speed. lots of it. he's almost always had a speed back to compliment his pluggers. we don't have one of those on the squad at the current time.

finally, we shouldn't just always draft for need, and i'm pretty sure i recall denny making that comment. everyone was surprised when the broncos took portis in the second round 'cuz they thought rb was not a need position for the broncos (davis was coming back and seemingly healthy, gary was coming off injury, and anderson was coming back). but they drafted a stud 'cuz he was a stud (in their eyes). we have to start adopting this kind of strategy. if we've got a man on second we can bunt him over to third, but if we can take a full chop and hit a home run, why not go for it?

 

[cardsunsfan]

I think Shipp would have had a lot of TD runs if they had handed the ball to him in the red zone. They always handed it to Emmitt or didn't try to run it. I thought it was really weird... How many RB's in this league have TD runs of 20-30 yds?!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
He had 6 rushing TD's 2 years ago so he can find the endzone but you are making good points for why we should look for help.

One kid I like is Shaud Williams from Alabama, I was reading some Senior Bowl stuff on ESPN, apparently Shaud measured just over 5'7" and about 184 at the Senior Bowl, so he's probably going to slip on draft day. Not as elusive as say Quentin Griffin, but he's just as fast, has great hands(they said they measure hands and he actually has bigger hands then even Greg Jones) and he's been a breakaway guy at Bama. Nice change of pace back, pound with Shipp, then bring in a speed guy now and then.

Shaud would seem to fit in Green's style of offense because he's fast and can catch the ball, the problem is I don't think he'll be able to do much blitz pickup in the NFL.

I think when you see how many RB's taken after the first round do well, you almost HAVE to take a RB every year in the hopes you find a steal now and then.

Shaud Williams is a nice player, but I don't think he will be NFL fast, he has more speed in college.

I know I sound like a broken record, but the guy we need to target is Cedric Cobbs. He has good size (6', 220) and good speed (around a 4.4). He can run with power or he can be elusive.

He is one of those backs who has it all. He does have a long history of injuries, but he seemed to get over them his senior year. If he can stay healthy, he has a very good chance of being a dynamite NFL back.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
I think Shipp would have had a lot of TD runs if they had handed the ball to him in the red zone. They always handed it to Emmitt or didn't try to run it. I thought it was really weird... How many RB's in this league have TD runs of 20-30 yds?!

How many RBs in this league get 200 carries and 800 yards without getting in the end zone? 19 other runningbacks had as many or more carries than Marcel, and all of them had at least 2 TDs. 18 running backs had FEWER carries than Marcel and scored TDs. Over 40 runningbacks in 2003 had runs of 40 yards or more. It's logical that 60% of those were for TDs.