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Alot of people will say, well the Packers shouldn't of gotten themselves in that position. But that really is a logical fallacy.
True, they could have AVOIDED the situation, but it did not cause the situation.
What caused the situation was the refs being morons.
If your wife dies in a car accident, it's not your fault that you kissed her, and thus the timing of everything was exact. It's because some drunk guy blew through a red light and smashed into her.
Sure if you wouldn't of kissed her, it might have altered the situation and avoided it, but it doesn't mean the kiss caused it.
Same thing goes with the Packers doing better before hand. It's not the cause of it. The cause was the scab refs needing the game speed of pee wee football to be effective.
Hey we're not guaranteed a playoff spot. If some team gets an extra win and gets in, (or more, or multiple teams do) we could get screwed. It's not just about spots, it's also byes, hosting, and matchups. Hell what if the Giants and Falcons get gift wins too? Wouldn't it suck if we should have been #1-#3 seed, only to be 4 or so because of REFS, not US?
No doubt if the Seahawks make the playoffs, something has been altered in a way it shouldn't of been.
...and of course we're only week 3. Still 14 more weeks of potential screwups between now and then. People keep looking at regular refs from a big 10 year pool of screwups, and then looking at replacement refs from a finite perspective and forgetting it's only been three games. There are potentially many more to go, and they're screwing up like 50-100x as often as regular refs if you include the small things.
..and of course we also could have lost game 1 because of a ref screwup. Imagine if that happened, the hawks would be 3-0 with 2 gifts wins. They were literally ' ' this close to it happening. Of course it's our fight. It's EVERY NFL fan's fight. (of course there are much better and more pressing fights out there of actual importance beyond a game)
True, they could have AVOIDED the situation, but it did not cause the situation.
What caused the situation was the refs being morons.
If your wife dies in a car accident, it's not your fault that you kissed her, and thus the timing of everything was exact. It's because some drunk guy blew through a red light and smashed into her.
Sure if you wouldn't of kissed her, it might have altered the situation and avoided it, but it doesn't mean the kiss caused it.
Same thing goes with the Packers doing better before hand. It's not the cause of it. The cause was the scab refs needing the game speed of pee wee football to be effective.
Hey we're not guaranteed a playoff spot. If some team gets an extra win and gets in, (or more, or multiple teams do) we could get screwed. It's not just about spots, it's also byes, hosting, and matchups. Hell what if the Giants and Falcons get gift wins too? Wouldn't it suck if we should have been #1-#3 seed, only to be 4 or so because of REFS, not US?
No doubt if the Seahawks make the playoffs, something has been altered in a way it shouldn't of been.
...and of course we're only week 3. Still 14 more weeks of potential screwups between now and then. People keep looking at regular refs from a big 10 year pool of screwups, and then looking at replacement refs from a finite perspective and forgetting it's only been three games. There are potentially many more to go, and they're screwing up like 50-100x as often as regular refs if you include the small things.
..and of course we also could have lost game 1 because of a ref screwup. Imagine if that happened, the hawks would be 3-0 with 2 gifts wins. They were literally ' ' this close to it happening. Of course it's our fight. It's EVERY NFL fan's fight. (of course there are much better and more pressing fights out there of actual importance beyond a game)
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beg to differ
Should have been Cardinals Ball after the kickoff at the NFCC against the Eagles. but we have been screwed for years- Look at I PI calls compared opponents-even these scrub refs! Like Ravens game last year-
I do say they are more fair - bad but fair- they don't have long term relationships with teams- coaches- or no that certain people get certain favor. I still want to see an Official review outside the NFL. They do not police themselves well with regular refs.
But yea The Niners and the Seahawks have beat the Packers - If we lose the tiebreaker goes- record- division- COMMON OPPONENT- So if we lose the packers and tie records and division- WE go HOME in January.
It is our fight.
Should have been Cardinals Ball after the kickoff at the NFCC against the Eagles. but we have been screwed for years- Look at I PI calls compared opponents-even these scrub refs! Like Ravens game last year-
I do say they are more fair - bad but fair- they don't have long term relationships with teams- coaches- or no that certain people get certain favor. I still want to see an Official review outside the NFL. They do not police themselves well with regular refs.
But yea The Niners and the Seahawks have beat the Packers - If we lose the tiebreaker goes- record- division- COMMON OPPONENT- So if we lose the packers and tie records and division- WE go HOME in January.
It is our fight.
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Then don't. The team has been playing past the refs for years, IMO. You are entitled to yours.
But I would like an explanation of what the Cardinals did to Seattle in week one. Cause the Cardinals won that game regardless of the fact Seattle was given an extra timeout, and yes, that was a HUGE part of the game, at the end of the game, where the game was decided on the last play.
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Play so well, the refs don't matter.
This organization has done it before, and they can do it again.
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Straight up.
It has happened before, it will happen again. Regardless WHO the ref is.
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Really?
So this is worse then the Cruz fumble that gave the game to the Giants, that then allow the Giants to get in the playoffs, and win a Super Bowl.
This is just a Monday night game whose reprocussions may amount to diddly squat, and the "out rage" that is over dramatizing the situation is VERY VERY VERY apparent, leverage from the media/players/refs against the NFL, IMO.
There are plays like that play more than we all think in the NFL, and they come and go without much hoopla. It is the fact it is replacement refs and people have just been waiting to pounce on them. They were given a mole hill, and they made their mountain.
Never seen worse ? In my opinion, that is far from the worst call I have ever seen.
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Agreed.
The missed pi was blatant but the ruling on the catch is being blown out of proportion IMO.
that call was awful man. The blown PI was worse, but it doesn't make awarding the ball to a guy that was simply touching it OK
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The whole problem was neither guy was in position to really know who had possession when they hit they ground. Then, they pulled a call out of their butt. They should've conferenced with ALL of the refs before making a call, and then gone to replay.
they pulled 2 out of their butt. Then just picked the one that changed the game most. They definitely should have had a conference at the least. Apparently the NFL explained that it WAS overturnable on replay too... it seemed pretty clear on video
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Also, saw a replay today of the end of the game in the playoffs when a 49ers player straight up tackled a NY Giant lineman trying to catch a pass off a blown FG snap. Had totally forgotten about that noncall of a PI that decided a playoff game. Hell, the PI the Cowboys did to Rob Moore at the end of the SDS game in 98 to screw us out of a tying TD was just as blatant as the PI last night.
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Yep.
On the final play of the game, where the Pack doesn't even have a chance to overcome a terrible call for even 1 second. Rarely has that ever happened outside of maybe the GmenSF game years ago.
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That review also seemed rushed to me, considering the circumstances.
it was all just pathetic. The refs looked like they have no business on a pop warner field
http://now.msn.com/lingerie-football-league-says-refs-it-fired-now-work-for-nfl
it was already decided that they had no business being on a gimmick-league field
It is a parity driven league. You can say cliches like "Play Better" but the reality is that the talent difference from team to team is not that large.
Chaz
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You may not agree with the call but I think some perspective is in order here. It isn't the worst call I have ever seen. It isn't an earth shattering game changer. I think a case can and has been made effectively to defend it.
The real problem here is that it was on Monday night and it went against the Packers.
If this was the Cardinals and the Seahawks on a Sunday afternoon it is a minor controversy at best.
yes it is. If we lost that game from the extra timeout and 10 extra redzone attempts they were given, there definitely would be an issue. It wasn't because we still won. Just like SF with their free TO and challenge on Sunday. If they won, it would have been a problem
my issue isn't so much that one play, but all of them in just these 3 weeks of the season. It is just the most recent now. I watched more blown calls in these 3 weeks than occur over a full season
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1. The timeout given to Seattle week 1. We overcame and won the game.
2. The non-call facemask to Aaron Rogers in the infamous playoff game we won.
It happens. The only difference is the mass hysteria created by this call by the weekly whining and crying that I guess is the new NFL norm.
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But those were not 100% win or lose plays. They call a facemask on us vs Green Bay, does Green Bay automatically win the game? Obviously not, who knows what happens. The timeout with Seattle clearly didnt decide the game because our Bad-A defense still stuffed Seattle's midget.
This call absolutely decided the game. It was over, the Packers had won... but they didnt. If it had happened to the Cardinals I probably would have broken my television.
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This falls under the "it could happen to you" umbrella. I don't want the Seahawks to take the division from the Cards with this call, but I wouldn't want to see them lose the division because of a similar call, either.
