This just in...#12 is pretty good

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Barring injury I really think Aaron Rodgers will go down as a top 5 QB of all-time at the end of his career. I've never seen a more accurate QB...he's unbelievable. Why can't we ever have one like him for most of his career? :bang:
 

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Barring injury I really think Aaron Rodgers will go down as a top 5 QB of all-time at the end of his career. I've never seen a more accurate QB...he's unbelievable. Why can't we ever have one like him for most of his career? :bang:

Every time I watch him I'm amazed by how good he makes his receivers look. He puts the ball where only his guy can get it and manages to make it a very catchable ball at the same time. A more talented version of Kurt Warner and that's saying something.

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Every time I watch him I'm amazed by how good he makes his receivers look. He puts the ball where only his guy can get it and manages to make it a very catchable ball at the same time. A more talented version of Kurt Warner and that's saying something.

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He got beat by Warner if you remember a certain playoff game that featured insane scoring.

Warner in his prime was better.
 

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I thought you were referring to Roberts.

Dude's run around left mede him look like a RB. Perfect for the Wildcat?
 

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He's no Kevin Kolb :)
 

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He got beat by Warner if you remember a certain playoff game that featured insane scoring.

Warner in his prime was better.

I think Warner in his prime Rams days had a lot more talent around him than Aaron has. Kurt was incredible for a couple of years in St. Louis and then he was pretty good for a couple of years for us. But Marshall Faulk alone (in his prime) is enough to raise any QB's game.

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He got beat by Warner if you remember a certain playoff game that featured insane scoring.

Warner in his prime was better.

Yep I remember...greatest game I've ever seen!!!

Rodgers is only getting better. Who completes 73% of his passes for a year? Loved #13, but it sure does look like Rodgers sky is to the moon.
 

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Yep I remember...greatest game I've ever seen!!!

Rodgers is only getting better. Who completes 73% of his passes for a year? Loved #13, but it sure does look like Rodgers sky is to the moon.

TV said that Green Bay has 32 of their 53 man roster that were Green Bay draft picks and they're THIRD in the NFL. With 7 picks a year that's almost 5 years worth of draft picks who stuck!

How the heck do you do that AND have two other teams better than you?

FYI we have 21. We also have former draft picks from 13 different teams.

We also have the oldest player in the NFL, Reggie Walker, who is 111. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/2011_roster.htm :D
 
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TV said that Green Bay has 32 of their 53 man roster that were Green Bay draft picks and they're THIRD in the NFL. With 7 picks a year that's almost 5 years worth of draft picks who stuck!

How the heck do you do that AND have two other teams better than you?

FYI we have 21. We also have former draft picks from 13 different teams.

Rod Graves & Co vs Mark Murphy & Co...nuff said
 

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Rod Graves & Co vs Mark Murphy & Co...nuff said

I know Buck, but 32 guys? That's only missing on like 2-3 picks in FIVE years. Almost five guys from every draft for SEVEN years!

Three guys from every draft for over TEN years. :p
 

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GB's backup Flynn is better than Kolb. Graves would offer 3 1st rounders just from seeing 5 minutes of Flynn on tape, or nevermind, Graves doesn't even know how to use the DVD player, so how could he watch tape...
 

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Rodgers could go down as the GOAT if things go his way. I mean Montana has 4 SB's but A-Rod stretches the field better than anyone besides Marino/Elway.
 

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we cut Matty like big stupids.

because our HC coach can't evaluate Qb's, Oc's and QB coaches. He is still years behind Denny in personell evaluations and development. Whiz just is. Graves can't supervise just a paper tiger.

Maybe in 5 more years, but denny was better at this stage of his career too. Whiz is cut throat, Ask Edge, Q, Dansby, Rolle, Kurt, Matt, Pace, A Smith, If you want their best you have to treat rthem like men, not punks. They have choices.





Barring injury I really think Aaron Rodgers will go down as a top 5 QB of all-time at the end of his career. I've never seen a more accurate QB...he's unbelievable. Why can't we ever have one like him for most of his career? :bang:
 

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TV said that Green Bay has 32 of their 53 man roster that were Green Bay draft picks and they're THIRD in the NFL. With 7 picks a year that's almost 5 years worth of draft picks who stuck!

How the heck do you do that AND have two other teams better than you?

FYI we have 21. We also have former draft picks from 13 different teams.

We also have the oldest player in the NFL, Reggie Walker, who is 111. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/2011_roster.htm :D

I seen that. The Packers have also had some key undrafted rookies make their roster the last few years. I was curious how those guys fit in the stats the ESPN guys threw up there.
 

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TV said that Green Bay has 32 of their 53 man roster that were Green Bay draft picks and they're THIRD in the NFL. With 7 picks a year that's almost 5 years worth of draft picks who stuck!

How the heck do you do that AND have two other teams better than you?

FYI we have 21. We also have former draft picks from 13 different teams.

We also have the oldest player in the NFL, Reggie Walker, who is 111. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/2011_roster.htm :D

Orgazational continuity. The Packers has a pretty singular focus in regards to what they want to do and the players that they need to do it. They draft pretty conservatively, and have made QB's their number 1 priority for years. Traded for Favre, drafted backups then developed them and traded them. Rodgers was drafted so that they could devleop a guy behind a Hall of Famer. Consistency at QB makes everything easier as an organization, and that is what the Packers have had for over a decade.
 

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Orgazational continuity. The Packers has a pretty singular focus in regards to what they want to do and the players that they need to do it. They draft pretty conservatively, and have made QB's their number 1 priority for years. Traded for Favre, drafted backups then developed them and traded them. Rodgers was drafted so that they could devleop a guy behind a Hall of Famer. Consistency at QB makes everything easier as an organization, and that is what the Packers have had for over a decade.

Not so fast, there. They've turned over two coaches since Holmgren left, and converted from a 4-3 defense forever into a 3-4 in two years. Even Ron Wolf left five or six years ago and they managed to stay together.

The Packers are good because they keep players in key positions until talent develops underneath them, and they have a generation of success within the organization to build upon. When was the last time the Packers lost a key free agent?

The same thing that the Steelers have, only they have two or three generations of success as a foundation.
 

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Not so fast, there. They've turned over two coaches since Holmgren left, and converted from a 4-3 defense forever into a 3-4 in two years. Even Ron Wolf left five or six years ago and they managed to stay together.

The Packers are good because they keep players in key positions until talent develops underneath them, and they have a generation of success within the organization to build upon. When was the last time the Packers lost a key free agent?

The same thing that the Steelers have, only they have two or three generations of success as a foundation.

Yes, but when change has occurred, it has not been made lightly and has been fully committed to. Where as the Cardinals played around with a hybrid scheme and brought in unproven coordinators, the Packers got an experienced coordinator in Capers, and made a priority of getting the appropriate players.

They have done the same thing offensively. They want to throw the ball, and defend against the pass, so they draft CB's and WR's to be able to do this.

Last big free agent they lost was Cullen Jenkins.
 

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Yes, but when change has occurred, it has not been made lightly and has been fully committed to. Where as the Cardinals played around with a hybrid scheme and brought in unproven coordinators, the Packers got an experienced coordinator in Capers, and made a priority of getting the appropriate players.

They have done the same thing offensively. They want to throw the ball, and defend against the pass, so they draft CB's and WR's to be able to do this.

Last big free agent they lost was Cullen Jenkins.

Losing a guy because he wants to leave or you cant afford him is one thing, but "losing" a guy because you have already developed his replacement, as the Packers did with BJ Raji, is a different story.

The Packers let Jenkins walk, the didnt lose him.
 

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I truly like Rodgers, even if he is a Packer. Guy is better than Favre, and as humble and normal as anyone in the league.

They showed a stat during the game: something like 42 of GBs 53 man roster have only ever played for Green Bay. THAT is telling.
 

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The guy is from another universe, its just unbelieveable, how perfect he is. If just we would have that kind of a quarterback...
 

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Not so fast, there. They've turned over two coaches since Holmgren left, and converted from a 4-3 defense forever into a 3-4 in two years. Even Ron Wolf left five or six years ago and they managed to stay together.

The Packers are good because they keep players in key positions until talent develops underneath them, and they have a generation of success within the organization to build upon. When was the last time the Packers lost a key free agent?

The same thing that the Steelers have, only they have two or three generations of success as a foundation.

The brand name definitely help teams to keep their own key free agents. Packers, Steelers, Giants, Cowboys, and Patriots all have a tradition to sell & they sell it well. I work in sales for a division of FedEx. That brand name allows me to both secure & keep business from competitors with very similar capabilities. Even if & when the Cardinals put together some very good seasons, they are at a huge disadvantage to teams with a longer tradition of winning. Bottom line, we are suffering from the sins of our past. Even after going to a SB, we didn't have a long enough tradition to keep guys like Dansby, Rolle, etc. They were east coast guys that wanted no part of the west coast. If we had a winning tradition that spanned a generation or two, we would have had a much better chance of convincing those guys to stay.

There are other teams that had a great generation or two of winning, but they became so bad at times, that they lost their ability to sell a winning tradtion: 49ers, Redskins, Bears, Vikings, Dolphins, Indy, Broncos, and Raiders. The Ravens have developed a tradition of winning, but they have to keep winning to get into that upper echelon.

Bottom line, the Cardinals need to put together a decade of consistent winning before they develop any free agent advantages. Otherwise, we will continue to have to overpay in order to keep our better players or lure other teams better players. For a franchise like the Cardinals to develop that winning consistency, it's IMPERATIVE that we draft well. Obviously, that hasn't happened.
 

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The brand name definitely help teams to keep their own key free agents. Packers, Steelers, Giants, Cowboys, and Patriots all have a tradition to sell & they sell it well. I work in sales for a division of FedEx. That brand name allows me to both secure & keep business from competitors with very similar capabilities. Even if & when the Cardinals put together some very good seasons, they are at a huge disadvantage to teams with a longer tradition of winning. Bottom line, we are suffering from the sins of our past. Even after going to a SB, we didn't have a long enough tradition to keep guys like Dansby, Rolle, etc. They were east coast guys that wanted no part of the west coast. If we had a winning tradition that spanned a generation or two, we would have had a much better chance of convincing those guys to stay.

There are other teams that had a great generation or two of winning, but they became so bad at times, that they lost their ability to sell a winning tradtion: 49ers, Redskins, Bears, Vikings, Dolphins, Indy, Broncos, and Raiders. The Ravens have developed a tradition of winning, but they have to keep winning to get into that upper echelon.

Bottom line, the Cardinals need to put together a decade of consistent winning before they develop any free agent advantages. Otherwise, we will continue to have to overpay in order to keep our better players or lure other teams better players. For a franchise like the Cardinals to develop that winning consistency, it's IMPERATIVE that we draft well. Obviously, that hasn't happened.

Not to disagree with your agreeing with me, but here's what players care about when they reach free agency:

1) Guaranteed money
2) Non-guaranteed money
3) Endorsement opportunities (money)
4) National exposure (leads to 3)
5) Living in an interesting area
6) Being close to family
7) Opportunity to win a championship.

Who were the last headline free agents that the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, or Packers brought in? They don't. They keep their guys and re-sign those they want to keep before they're about to enter free agency, and then bring back the players who depart because they're better off in the system.

The problem with the Cards has been poor allocation of resources. We don't do a good job valuing our own roster, so we spend money on wastes of space like Bryant McFadden, Travis LaBoy, and most recently Stewart Bradley while allowing our good players to find greener pastures.

The key is drafting well, but the next key is extending guys like LaRod Stephens-Howling, Early Doucet, and Calais Campbell before the allure of unknown money becomes too great. All contracts increase in value, so even if signing Hyphen to a four-year, $7 million extension right now sounds excessive, in two years he'll be making the market average for a solid KR. We could probably get him for less than $5 million because he's been injured and ineffective so far this year.

But Cheese is right that we underestimate our players and (kind of) hope they're below-average in contract years so that we can undercut them in an attempt to re-sign them. Dansby was pissed that we didn't promote him. Voice of the Franchise Ron Wolfley was always happy to emphasize Dansby's weaknesses when he was one of the two or three best players on the defense his entire tenure here. The same thing happens inside locker-rooms. Dansby wasn't being promoted for the Pro Bowl around the league, even though his talents and production merited more than the consideration he was receiving.

We've done just about average in drafting talent around here, but we've been awful at keeping it around, and that's why we were 5-11 last year.
 

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Barring injury I really think Aaron Rodgers will go down as a top 5 QB of all-time at the end of his career. I've never seen a more accurate QB...he's unbelievable. Why can't we ever have one like him for most of his career? :bang:

We promised him we would draft him and then took Antrel Rolle instead. That is straight from Rodgers...and he wanted to play here since we are so close to California.
 

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We promised him we would draft him and then took Antrel Rolle instead. That is straight from Rodgers...and he wanted to play here since we are so close to California.

you just ruined my week.

I've never heard this before... SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?
 
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