Thoughts On The Cardinals 8/15/06

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A. Missing pieces. The Cardinals may want to consider adding some players at the following positions:

1. Offensive Tackle. The depth is thin...and the jury is still out on Jeremy Bridges, especially as a run blocker.
2. Blocking Fullback. Who blocks if Bronson gets hurt?
3. Blocking Tight End. Can any of the incumbents block well enough?
4. Defensive End. If Pace stays at OLB...
5. Cornerback. The youth there is intriguing...but...
6. #3 Quarterback. Is there a stronger option than Navarre or Davey?

B. The Cardinals have a number of players that, IMO, would have trade value if the team needed to strengthen areas of weakness:

They are:

1. DT Darnell Dockett. He's plenty disruptive at times, but for whatever reason doesn't finish off plays or get to the ball with great regularity. Still has plenty of upside entering his third year...and teams looking for an upgrade at DT might be willing to give up a quality player to get him.

Why trade Dockett? With the tandem of Langston Moore and Gabe Watson lookin stout at NT, it's quite possible that Kendrick Clancy could wind up being the starter at UT. Rookie Jonathan Lewis has looked good rotating in...and the team can use Antonio Smith there when need be. The depth at UT would enable the club to listen to offers for Dockett.

2. DT Kendrick Clancy. With the depth at NT and UT...sure the Cards could listen to offers. Obviously, the Giants miss him and he is generally well regarded around the league.

Why trade Clancy? Same reasons above.

3. C Alex Stepanovich. It wouldn't be surprising if Cleveland would be very inetersting in acquiring this Ohio St. grad, especially in light of their void at center.

Why trade Stepanovich? If Reggie Wells gets switched over to center...the team would have Wells as the starter and Nick Leckey as a solid backup.

4. WR Bryant Johnson. One look at Saturday's game tape would have several WR thin teams drooling at the prospect of adding Johnson...who fits the bill as a #2 WR.

Why trade Johnson? If the return on him is dynamic...the team has depth at WR with LeRon McCoy, Carlyle Holiday, Todd Watkins and Michael Spurlock.

5. CB David Macklin. He's a seasoned veteran now and has fair value because he's a solid, albeit unspectacular, starter.

Why trade Macklin? If Eric Green is ready to start...and the team likes Lamont Reid and Darrell Hunter or a good CB added in another trade...Macklin could be had for the right deal.

6. P Scott Player. Regarded as one of the best and most consistent punters in the game.

Why trade Player? If the team likes Fred Capshaw enough...and can get good return on Player from a team with a desperate need for a top flight punter...why not?

Should the Cards trade any of these players?

Probably not.

I'd like to see them keep the current WR and DT depth...so unless there is an incredible offer for any of these guys...it's best to keep them.

The one scenario that might be intriguing is if Cleveland offered T Nate Dorsey for Stepanovich. That's a deal that could very much help both teams.

C. Veteran vs. Youth Training Camp Battles to Watch this Week:

1. PR Troy Walters and PR Michael Spurlock. Spurlock has been getting some good raves about his receiving skills...and we saw him make two smooth catches from the slot Saturday. If his punt returns are good this week...this really could be a battle. And it's still possible that both players might make the roster.

2. FS Robert Griffith and FS Aaron Francisco. Griffith has the veteran presence and stronger knowledge of the defense, but Francisco is more athletic and instinctive...and seemingly a better fit at FS.

3. MLB James Darling and MLB Gerald Hayes. Darling has been steady and reliable. Hayes opened some eyes last week with a very strong return to the field. Physically, Hayes is the more proto-typical MLB...more of a power player than finesse.

4. P Scott Player and P Fred Capshaw. Probably a moot point, but hey, if picture perfect 51 yard punts with serious hangtime don't get your attention, what will?

Happy days in Cardinal Country today!
 

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Good thoughts on possible player movement, but like you I lean toward keeping the personel we have. The team looks deep at spots right now, but as we all know it takes just one catastrophic injury to get thin.

I think the best thing for the Cards is to watch the 'wire and hope for some suprise.
 

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In one breath you claim we need CB depth (I agree), then in the next you're talking about trading Macklin. Doesn't make sense to trade away Macklin, IMO.
 

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Mitch said:
4. P Scott Player and P Fred Capshaw. Probably a moot point, but hey, if picture perfect 51 yard punts with serious hangtime don't get your attention, what will?

Happy days in Cardinal Country today!


It's worth watching just because the kid is really talented. Like I said before, I've never found myself watching a punter with such a smile on my face. And I love ol' One Bar.
 

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It's worth watching just because the kid is really talented. Like I said before, I've never found myself watching a punter with such a smile on my face. And I love ol' One Bar.

Ditto. Hide Capshaw on the PS until he is ready next year. ;)
 

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1. DT Darnell Dockett. He's plenty disruptive at times, but for whatever reason doesn't finish off plays or get to the ball with great regularity. Still has plenty of upside entering his third year...and teams looking for an upgrade at DT might be willing to give up a quality player to get him.

Why trade Dockett? With the tandem of Langston Moore and Gabe Watson lookin stout at NT, it's quite possible that Kendrick Clancy could wind up being the starter at UT. Rookie Jonathan Lewis has looked good rotating in...and the team can use Antonio Smith there when need be. The depth at UT would enable the club to listen to offers for Dockett.

2. DT Kendrick Clancy. With the depth at NT and UT...sure the Cards could listen to offers. Obviously, the Giants miss him and he is generally well regarded around the league.

Why trade Clancy? Same reasons above.
I'm sorry but this does not make sense. What have Gabe Watson and Jonathan Lewis proven yet? Langston Moore has shown promise but again not much showing yet on the field. We apparently are deep but not experienced with this position and the only two experienced people should be traded away? What if we have an injury after trading one of the tackle and suddenly we are again thin at the position.
 

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Pariah said:
In one breath you claim we need CB depth (I agree), then in the next you're talking about trading Macklin. Doesn't make sense to trade away Macklin, IMO.

Good call.
 

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3. C Alex Stepanovich. It wouldn't be surprising if Cleveland would be very inetersting in acquiring this Ohio St. grad, especially in light of their void at center.

Why trade Stepanovich? If Reggie Wells gets switched over to center...the team would have Wells as the starter and Nick Leckey as a solid backup.
Who should fill Wells' place? Elton Brown? EB struggled last season. Camp reports so far show that he is still in the learning process. Our OL is no where near stable and we should muck around again with it? Plus we go back to depth problem again at the guard position.
 

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I don't want to trade Clancy. I liked the pickup when we made it, and I think he adds the right amount of depth to our D-Line. I would consider it to bolster the O-line, but even then I'd have to be overly impressed. And trading Player makes no sense to me. He is still steady and consistent and the possible return is what a 6th round draft pick? No thanks.
 
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az1965 said:
Who should fill Wells' place? Elton Brown? EB struggled last season. Camp reports so far show that he is still in the learning process. Our OL is no where near stable and we should muck around again with it? Plus we go back to depth problem again at the guard position.

Good thoughts guys...yeah, unless another CB is picked up it wouldn't make sense to deal Macklin...and don't get me wrong, I don't want to trade any of these players...I like the depth at DT and WR and would like to preserve it...

However, it is intriguing that the Cards have some players of value that would garner strong consideration on nthe trade market...and the Cards are thin right now in some areas.

As for Elton Brown...I really liked his game Saturday...what's great about him is that he's got good feet for such a big, strong guard...

I see him playing quite a bit this year...
 
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Mitch said:
Good thoughts guys...yeah, unless another CB is picked up it wouldn't make sense to deal Macklin...and don't get me wrong, I don't want to trade any of these players...I like the depth at DT and WR and would like to preserve it...

However, it is intriguing that the Cards have some players of value that would garner strong consideration on nthe trade market...and the Cards are thin right now in some areas.
So what you are really saying is that it is nice that the Cardinals finally have some talent! LOL! I agree with that... It is nice to have a team that actually has some talent not only as starters, but importantly guys at second string status that another team might envy.

Mitch said:
As for Elton Brown...I really liked his game Saturday...what's great about him is that he's got good feet for such a big, strong guard...

I see him playing quite a bit this year...
Again I agree. EB could be, I think will be, a good NFL guard. The kid's got talent, just need's some learnin'...
 

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Without getting into specific players, I feel a very important thing this year is for various units of the team to become more cohesive and play better as a team.

For that reason, I'd rather we make fewer moves to establish some continuity.

In the past (when weren't very good) I'd never say this, because the last thing we needed to do was perpetuate bad play. But this year's roster is different - in most cases, I believe we're "loaded."

The only major move I wouldn't mind done might be a move that could give us a quality RT. (Yeah, like that's gonna happen). Anything else should be merely moves among the backups to help give us more depth at a few positions.

Otherwise, I kind of like us the way we are.
 

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I can't agree with trading anybody on this team right now. Continuity might be more desireable right now than a marginally better player.
The Cards will round out this roster right before the final cuts just as they have done the last few years. Thats their M.O. Remember Zellner and Hambrick?
IMHO, we will end up trading away a 5th and/or 6th round pick for depth where ever deemed neccesary.
 

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Mitch said:
3. C Alex Stepanovich. It wouldn't be surprising if Cleveland would be very inetersting in acquiring this Ohio St. grad, especially in light of their void at center.

Why trade Stepanovich? If Reggie Wells gets switched over to center...the team would have Wells as the starter and Nick Leckey as a solid backup.

Didn't Cleveland sign Pro Bowl Center Lecharles Bentley?
 

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slanidrac16 said:
The Cards will round out this roster right before the final cuts just as they have done the last few years. Thats their M.O. Remember Zellner and Hambrick?
I do, but I also remember they came on board the same season.

What other years have we done it? I'm not trying to lead you into anything here, I really don't recall adding anyone of even minor signifigance at the end of the pre-season.
 

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How about QB #3 - Navarre = NO, Davey = NO...what about Fiedler or Ragone...both were cut and not picked up from what I could find and either/both would be an upgrade.
 

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Pariah said:
I do, but I also remember they came on board the same season.

What other years have we done it? I'm not trying to lead you into anything here, I really don't recall adding anyone of even minor signifigance at the end of the pre-season.

You are right that they both came on board the same season. This is only Greens 3rd season and the 1st season he really didn't know what he had. I guess it might be incorrect of me to call it our M.O.
My point is that we are not at a point to start trading away ANY depth that we have.
 

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JC_AZ said:
How about QB #3 - Navarre = NO, Davey = NO...what about Fiedler or Ragone...both were cut and not picked up from what I could find and either/both would be an upgrade.

Were they cut just recently? Last I remember Ragone was with the Rams and A-bomb said Fiedler was with TB.
 

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az1965 said:
I'm sorry but this does not make sense. What have Gabe Watson and Jonathan Lewis proven yet?

what has darnell dockett proven yet? i agree we need exp, but if some team was to offer the right player for d.d. i would have to consider it. darnell aint nothing but a word until he shows otherwise on the field.i am hoping he does.
 

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Didn't Cleveland sign Pro Bowl Center Lecharles Bentley?
They did and then traded their former first round C to the Saints.

Then Bentley got hurt and is out for the year AND their back-up retired. In three months they lost all three Cs on their roster
 
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After the injuries and lack of depth to the DL last,i can't see trading any DL. We had Ross K and Bulman seeing extensive,meaningful playing time. They are good ,hard-working guys but they just don't have the talent to merit significant PT. Now we have a DT rotation of Dockett, Clancy, Watson , Moore, and Lewis. Plus Antonio Smith and Kenny King(if he's ever healthy) can play there if needed. That's a pretty talented rotation if they play up to their abilities.
 

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Indeed , but he is out for the season.

And the 2nd string center for the Browns retired.

And the 3rd string center for the Browns is suspended.
 

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