Throw Down Time: Warner or McCown!

[stewdog1]

Time for everyone to give their reasons why one or the other should start. Give every reason you can think of for each QB.

Kurt Warner:
1. Can read defenses well.
2. Able to call the right audible.
3. Uncanny accuracy.
4. Excellent footwork within the pocket.
5. Distributes ball well. (Even though BJ has no business seeing the ball in the red zone.)
6. Very hard to rattle.
7. 2 time MVP & Super Bowl MVP.

Josh McCown:
1. He is fast.
2. Distributes the ball.
3. He thanks God after every TD.

Remember these are only reasons for WHY, not why not.

 

[vince56]

Josh McCown:

2. He thanks God after every TD.

at least he scores TDs

I can't say that for Warner this year.

 

[Ryanwb]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=62919

 

[stewdog1]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=62919

My thread is better. I said LIST the reasons why. That one is filled with paragraph gobbily ****.

 

[Shane]

Time for everyone to give their reasons why one or the other should start. Give every reason you can think of for each QB.

Kurt Warner:
1. Can read defenses well.
2. Able to call the right audible.
3. Uncanny accuracy.
4. Excellent footwork within the pocket.
5. Distributes ball well. (Even though BJ has no business seeing the ball in the red zone.)
6. Very hard to rattle.
7. 2 time MVP & Super Bowl MVP.

Josh McCown:
1. He is fast.
2. He thanks God after every TD.

Remember these are only reasons for WHY, not why not.

#3 Where has Warners uncanny accuracy been this year? Was it when he over threw BJ 3 times on medium range balls two overthrown and one underthrown for an INT all in the Rams game? I could list more fluttering inaccurate balls if you would like.

#2 How do you know that McCown isnt calling the right audibles? Give me your insight please? The Coaches are obviously okay with his audibles or they would forbid him to do them.

#5 One thing McCown does is ditribute the ball. In the niners and Carolina game he had thrown the ball to 7 different recievers. Kinda blows that out of the water too.

#6 do you mean like when Warner didnt get rattled when the rush was on and he threw it right at the DL in a panic? I cant recall the game but I remember us all recalling how Plummeresque that was.

#7 is irrelevant. Lets live in the now!

Sounds to me like you want McCown to start!

 

[conraddobler]

Time for everyone to give their reasons why one or the other should start. Give every reason you can think of for each QB.

Kurt Warner:
1. Can read defenses well.
2. Able to call the right audible.
3. Uncanny accuracy.
4. Excellent footwork within the pocket.
5. Distributes ball well. (Even though BJ has no business seeing the ball in the red zone.)
6. Very hard to rattle.
7. 2 time MVP & Super Bowl MVP.

Josh McCown:
1. He is fast.
2. He thanks God after every TD.

Remember these are only reasons for WHY, not why not.

Josh because you want Warner.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Warner has my vote

 

[D-Dogg]

Meh. I don't care which one starts. The QB isn't the problem on this team. I'd rather see new Josh than old Josh, however. It was Old Josh yesterday. But even old Josh is ok if the Oline would do its damn job and we made LD a guard. What?

 

[Rivercard]

What the heck. Keep the Cowboys guessing and rotate them in and out on each play.

 

[seesred]

I'm a Josh guy now and I wasn't in pre season.

Big time arm. He threw one yesterday to Q that was inches to far outside or it would have been a play to double his numbers.

'Young and can throw or run ahrder to sack.

Throw for almost 800 yards in his first two starts. Without a running game

Audables at the line yesterday a half a dozen times just didn't have time to get it there.

Plays hard till the last play.

Is not afraid to talk it up on the sidelines or say whats on his mind

Has won more games in the last two years than all the rest combined.

Is doing all this while looking over his shoulder, with a one year deal

Till something else can show he is better I'm backing Josh McCown.

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[CaptTurbo]

Warner on the road. Josh at home!

 

[joeshmo]

Why Josh:

1. More TD's.

2. More Wins.

3. Lower Sack Rate (sacked every 15.3 attempts, Warner - 11.22)

Why Kurt:

1. Better accuracy (63.4 compared to Josh, 57.5)

2. Less Turnovers (1 turnover every 33.67 attempts, McCown - 21.86)

3. Higher passer rating (78.7, McCown - 73.8)

Conclusion:

McCown plays inside the redzone. Warner plays everywhere else.

 

[stewdog1]

See bolded:

#3 Where has Warners uncanny accuracy been this year? Was it when he over threw BJ 3 times on medium range balls two overthrown and one underthrown for an INT all in the Rams game? I could list more fluttering inaccurate balls if you would like.
Warner 63.4% - McCown 57.5%

#2 How do you know that McCown isnt calling the right audibles? Give me your insight please? The Coaches are obviously okay with his audibles or they would forbid him to do them.
Whether or not he is, he doesn't read the blitz well. If he did, he would audible to a shorter drop or to a shotgun.

#5 One thing McCown does is ditribute the ball. In the niners and Carolina game he had thrown the ball to 7 different recievers. Kinda blows that out of the water too.
Reread my original post. It's for WHY. I'll add that to McCown's.

#6 do you mean like when Warner didnt get rattled when the rush was on and he threw it right at the DL in a panic? I cant recall the game but I remember us all recalling how Plummeresque that was.
And how many Plummeresque moments did we have yesterday?

#7 is irrelevant. Lets live in the now!


Sounds to me like you want McCown to start!

 

[seesred]

I'd like to see Josh in the shotgun ..FRom what I understand Step is still have troubles doing that. The line is bad enough without switching guys on every play.

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[wierwolf]

Although I like Warner alot, I have to go with the Josh. Reason being he is winning. Not saying Kurt if not hurt would have gotten wins as well...Josh is 2-1. Besides yesterday, for the most part, WR's are responding better to him. Keep Josh in.

 

[gamebird98]

You forgot #4

Time for everyone to give their reasons why one or the other should start. Give every reason you can think of for each QB.

Kurt Warner:
1. Can read defenses well.
2. Able to call the right audible.
3. Uncanny accuracy.
4. Excellent footwork within the pocket.
5. Distributes ball well. (Even though BJ has no business seeing the ball in the red zone.)
6. Very hard to rattle.
7. 2 time MVP & Super Bowl MVP.

Josh McCown:
1. He is fast.
2. Distributes the ball.
3. He thanks God after every TD.
4. HE WINS FOOTBALL GAMES

Remember these are only reasons for WHY, not why not.

 

[moklerman]

"4. He wins football games."

If Josh and the Cardinals beat Dallas, I'll wholeheartedly support that statement. But, do you really believe "he" won the game yesterday?

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Is doing all this while looking over his shoulder, with a one year deal

That reminds me...one of the radio guys this morning mentioned that Josh played well in the games when Kurt was definitely out, but poorly yesterday when Kurt could have come in. Perhaps he was looking over his shoulder and stressing too much? It goes along with the argument that Josh doesn't have the mental capacity to play qb in the NFL.

 

[Brian]

It goes along with the argument that Josh doesn't have the mental capacity to play qb in the NFL.

As soon as everyone on this board realizes that Josh doesn't have the mental capacity these discussions will be over.

Josh will NEVER be a good NFL quarterback. This is so painfully apparent and yet some just refuse to see it.

So he torched San Fran and Carolina's secondaries. Kurt would have also.

If Kurt had started yesterday that game wouldn't have been close.

Kurt may be aging, has declining skills, whatever....he has what it takes to play at at least a quality level in this league.

To pimp Josh because he has wins over the 49ers and Titans is insane.

I can't wait until Josh is off this roster and these conversations die.

 

[gamebird98]

If Josh and the Cardinals beat Dallas, I'll wholeheartedly support that statement. But, do you really believe "he" won the game yesterday?

My bad...I thought that was him that threw that Td to Fitz.

 

[seesred]

That is like saying Smith was better than Shipp when he was with us. Warner at this point on this team with this protection needs a healthy athlete. That.s what Josh brings to the table. Why do many think he is dumb? He is just a lay back country boy. Talk with him he , I have, he has been the leader of teams almost all his life and I would bet that when he leaves us and I believe he will, he will do all right with his new team as a starter. If Kurt had started yesterday we have no way ofr knowing ?? But he didn't and we won the game. Josh is 2-1 with a team that has know QB contraversy, what it has is a Offense contraversy. From Line to RB to FB to TE with the exceptions of our two wide outs Bart Starr would find this offense hard to move.

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[Brian]

I would bet that when he leaves us and I believe he will, he will do all right with his new team as a starter. If Kurt had started yesterday we have no way ofr knowing ?? But he didn't and we won the game.

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I have to politely disagree. He won't do well and he won't start. He is not an NFL caliber quarterback. He is what he is, a decent serviceable back-up.

BTW- We won the game is SPITE of him.

I don't consider myself a Josh hater, just a realist. I don't know him and never met him, but he has started enough games now for me to see he is not a good NFL qb.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

That is like saying Smith was better than Shipp when he was with us. Warner at this point on this team with this protection needs a healthy athlete. That.s what Josh brings to the table. Why do many think he is dumb? He is just a lay back country boy. Talk with him he , I have, he has been the leader of teams almost all his life and I would bet that when he leaves us and I believe he will, he will do all right with his new team as a starter. If Kurt had started yesterday we have no way ofr knowing ?? But he didn't and we won the game. Josh is 2-1 with a team that has know QB contraversy, what it has is a Offense contraversy. From Line to RB to FB to TE with the exceptions of our two wide outs Bart Starr would find this offense hard to move.

GBR
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I don't really think people think he is dumb...more that he just struggles with decisionmaking sometimes. I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a quarterback in the NFL and how fast things are going on around you, so you'll never hear me call him dumb, that's for sure.

 

[JC_AZ]

A new approach...

I say we start Josh and Kurt...line them both up in the shotgun and depending on D alignment, Kurt calls the audible and IF it goes to himm then Josh can be the RB... he has our best rush statiistics so far anyway... then DG does not have to make a decision and we can confuse the hell out of everybody...NO MORE FRIGGIN HUDDLES either, last game when we were running the no huddle, we were marching down the field at a nice pace...leave the huddles for when we have a 20 point lead and we are stalling for time...that will be next year sometime maybe... in the meantime have fun with it...nothing else is quite working!

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I say we start Josh and Kurt...line them both up in the shotgun and depending on D alignment, Kurt calls the audible and IF it goes to himm then Josh can be the RB... he has our best rush statiistics so far anyway... then DG does not have to make a decision and we can confuse the hell out of everybody...NO MORE FRIGGIN HUDDLES either, last game when we were running the no huddle, we were marching down the field at a nice pace...leave the huddles for when we have a 20 point lead and we are stalling for time...that will be next year sometime maybe... in the meantime have fun with it...nothing else is quite working!

Sounds like fun.