Titans trade #1 Pick to Rams

[BullheadCardFan]

Titans got quite a haul

If we had #1 I would be happy with the trade

 

[BullheadCardFan]

• Source: Rams lean toward Goff with No. 1 pick

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15203927/los-angeles-rams-lean-jared-goff-no-1-pick

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think the bigger unknown is Goff, Wentz played in a pro style offense IMO his biggest weakness is he tends to hold on to the ball in the pocket waiting for a play to develop.

I'm a pac 12 guy and usually I would side with the guy from that conference but IMO it's become the hardest conference to evaluate QB play with all the spread offense they play.

I actually think now that any QB selected in this draft is a mistake... but like Buckybird, I thought Leinart would pan out lol

 

[Buckybird]

• Source: Rams lean toward Goff with No. 1 pick

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15203927/los-angeles-rams-lean-jared-goff-no-1-pick

I'm still not buying Wentz isn't their guy, he fits that offense to a T

 

[Chopper0080]

I would argue that you haven't really seen a team make a blockbuster trade like this in the NFL and have success (or if it has happened, it isn't the norm).

I agree that QB has been a major issue with the Rams, but they are giving up a lot of the capital that will be used to replace veterans with quality, young talent.

And as I pointed out, there are MANY ways to acquire a good QB, teams just have to take their opportunities. Trading up a few years ago and taking Derek Carr would've been one of them for the Rams.

I think from my years of watching football, that if you don't currently have an elite QB, you don't stop trying to get one, but you can't overpay. The Rams settled on Bradford for way too long, and didn't bring in a credible competitor even as Bradford struggled through injury and poor play. It reminds me of the Jake Plummer years, or the years the Cardinals passed on guys like Aaron Rodgers because they had an adequate starter.

I just will NEVER argue that you give up 6 picks to have the outside chance at a franchise QB.

but, again, all of the talent in the world doesn't matter if you don't have a QB. I believe that the Rams can still mess this up, but what is working in their favor is that they get to choose the exact QB that they want. It isn't the Redskins selecting the 2nd best Qb in the draft. The Rams can get the guy they want, and they must have wanted him pretty bad. But, if they don't have a plan, whomever they pick, will likely fail.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think the bigger unknown is Goff, Wentz played in a pro style offense IMO his biggest weakness is he tends to hold on to the ball in the pocket waiting for a play to develop.

I'm a pac 12 guy and usually I would side with the guy from that conference but IMO it's become the hardest conference to evaluate QB play with all the spread offense they play.

This is wrong. Wentz is coming from a backgroud of facing inferior talent, playing indoors, and from a run based offense. He has never been asked to throw a team from behind. He has never been asked to win a game on his arm. He wasn't highly recruited out of high school. This doesn't mean he can't be successful, but the only advantage he has over Goff is that Wentz has a larger physical frame. That is it.

Goff has everything you want out of a QB prospect other than weighing 215 and having a top 10 NFL arm. Everything else is rock solid, especially with what college football is offering up year after year.

 

[pinetopred]

This is wrong. Wentz is coming from a backgroud of facing inferior talent, playing indoors, and from a run based offense. He has never been asked to throw a team from behind. He has never been asked to win a game on his arm. He wasn't highly recruited out of high school. This doesn't mean he can't be successful, but the only advantage he has over Goff is that Wentz has a larger physical frame. That is it.

Goff has everything you want out of a QB prospect other than weighing 215 and having a top 10 NFL arm. Everything else is rock solid, especially with what college football is offering up year after year.

The best part is we can agree to disagree you just made all my arguments for me avg arm he has a quick release so he gets away with it at the college level does it translate skinny how will he hold up, and that's not even bringing up the Call offense effect. I take Wentz if I'm the Rams

 

[Buckybird]

The best part is we can agree to disagree you just made all my arguments for me avg arm he has a quick release so he gets away with it at the college level does it translate skinny how will he hold up, and that's not even bringing up the Call offense effect. I take Wentz if I'm the Rams

Yep

Quick...name 1 QB out of that Tech offense who's ever been anything in the NFL?

 

[TJ]

I think the bigger unknown is Goff, Wentz played in a pro style offense IMO his biggest weakness is he tends to hold on to the ball in the pocket waiting for a play to develop.

I'm a pac 12 guy and usually I would side with the guy from that conference but IMO it's become the hardest conference to evaluate QB play with all the spread offense they play.

Wentz was an FCS starter for only 1.5 seasons, threw for over 3000 yards only once, played in a run heavy offense, and faced untalented, much inferior defenses. Wentz is going from facing Incarnate Word to the Denver Broncos in one year. NDSU went 13-2 last season despite Wentz missing half of the season with a wrist injury. What does that tell you about how valuable he was for that team?

Meanwhile, Goff was a three-year starter at Cal and all he did was improve every season he played, despite having only moderately talented skill players and one of the worst o-lines in the country. Goff was forced to develop a quick release because he was literally under pressure the second the ball was snapped to him. The kid's processing speed is uncanny, which will serve him well at the next level.

Everyone is so hot on Wentz because he has all of the physical tools that a team covets and Goff is a lightweight by comparison. Goff has more experience against vastly superior competition with proven success, so the learning curve will be a lot smoother for him than it will be for Wentz.

For a team like the Rams, who are a QB away from being a playoff contender, you want a guy like Goff who can put you over the edge right away.

 

[Stout]

Yep

Quick...name 1 QB out of that Tech offense who's ever been anything in the NFL?

Do you mean Cal? Aaron Rodgers comes to mind.

 

[pinetopred]

Alot of hose same arguments were made about Cam Newton, except he went to an Sec sxhool. I think I under rate Goff's arm he has a good arm.

I don't trust the system he is coming out of and 215 lbs hes gonna be getting hit by guys that outweigh him by 100 lbs all day just don't see him holding up

 

[oaken1]

I think the last blockbuster type trade that worked out was the Herschel walker deal??
The cowpies did well with the picks,...and Minnesota is looking good.......

I like wentz over goff....admittedly I do not have much familiarity with eithersince I live in sec country these days.... with wentz, it is all about the mind..a very astute student of the game, brilliant football mind, physically gifted..... just a matter of when/if the game slows down for him.
goff may have the advantage as far as game speed due to the level of competition he faced...but he will never have wentz's mind.

 

[Buckybird]

Do you mean Cal? Aaron Rodgers comes to mind.

No it's the Texas Tech offense since that's where he learned his craft & coached there for years.

 

[pinetopred]

I would take either of these kids to sit behind Palmer for 2 yrs and be happy, because personally think that is what both need.

I'm just glad I the Rams gave up so much to have to make this decision, and I hope whoever they pick is a bust.

 

[Stout]

No it's the Texas Tech offense since that's where he learned his craft & coached there for years.

That's where you lost me. What coach? I'm assuming NOW you mean the Cal coach, but we were talking QBs and their names, and the coach's name never came up.

 

[TJ]

That's where you lost me. What coach? I'm assuming NOW you mean the Cal coach, but we were talking QBs and their names, and the coach's name never came up.

Rodgers was coached by Jeff Tedford

Jared Goff was coached by Sonny Dykes

 

[Buckybird]

That's where you lost me. What coach? I'm assuming NOW you mean the Cal coach, but we were talking QBs and their names, and the coach's name never came up.

Sorry I thought you understand my point, let me clarify.

The Texas Tech & Cal offenses come from the same coaching tree. Nobody that I can think of that played QB in that system has ever really done anything in the NFL.

And no Rodgers didn't play in that system at Cal, he played for Tedford.

 

[cardncubfan]

Watch the Rams pick Lynch instead.

 

[Chopper0080]

Crazy that folks trust a player who has only attempted 612 passes in his college career vs FCS competition rather than a player who attempted 1568 passes vs FBS teams and in the Pac 12.

I'm not going to argue that Wentz cant' work, but to argue that he comes with less risk than Goff is silly.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Crazy that folks trust a player who has only attempted 612 passes in his college career vs FCS competition rather than a player who attempted 1568 passes vs FBS teams and in the Pac 12.

I'm not going to argue that Wentz cant' work, but to argue that he comes with less risk than Goff is silly.

In 2015 Goff attempted only 100 less passes than Wentz's entire career total.

Wentz is a bit of a project. If the Rams take him, I'm going to be excited about the prospect of playing the Rams with Wentz as the starter.

 

[oaken1]

That's where you lost me. What coach? I'm assuming NOW you mean the Cal coach, but we were talking QBs and their names, and the coach's name never came up.

A-Rod got that stigma of being a jeff Tedford QB.... but Tedford no longer coaches CAL......

 

[Stout]

TJ, Bucky, Oaken, it was a simple misunderstanding because Bucky made a confusing statement and I confused it by thinking he meant something else. It's all sorted out now, no worries

 

[Buckybird]

TJ, Bucky, Oaken, it was a simple misunderstanding because Bucky made a confusing statement and I confused it by thinking he meant something else. It's all sorted out now, no worries

Us Texans never make anything easy lol

 

[TJ]

Crazy that folks trust a player who has only attempted 612 passes in his college career vs FCS competition rather than a player who attempted 1568 passes vs FBS teams and in the Pac 12.

I'm not going to argue that Wentz cant' work, but to argue that he comes with less risk than Goff is silly.

I cant recall a situation in which an FCS QB with as little experience as Wentz possesses has received so much attention and boosted him into possibly the top of the draft. I mean, if he was a four-year starter and had good games against the 1 or 2 FBS teams he played, I could see it, but shredding South Dakota State is not as difficult as beating Texas and Washington away from Berkley, which Goff did last season.

 

[TJ]

TJ, Bucky, Oaken, it was a simple misunderstanding because Bucky made a confusing statement and I confused it by thinking he meant something else. It's all sorted out now, no worries

ASFN Rule #36: Don't ever listen to Bucky.