To Select Vince Young or Not to Select Vince Young? That is the question..

[phillycard]

I guess I should have said "drafting a QBoF this highly" and think it is more about me not wanting VY at #10. I dont want us going through the same crap ATL is going through with Vick.

A-Bomb

I hear ya, cept for despite all his talent, Vick's a knucklehead And I'm of the opinion (may be in the minority, sorry) that Young will be better than Vick when it's all said and done. I would have loved to have said Navarre was our qb of the future. Great school, decent career, big with a good field sense, but that hasn't turned out too great.

 

[az jam]

If Young somehow drops to #10 the Cards will take him.. He would sit out the first year and just learn as Culpepper did with the Vikings. IMO Young will become a very good pro.

 

[Redsz]

Yes.

I think Youngs learning curve would be a heck alot of alot easier in AZ than anywhere else.

For one, he would sit behind Kurt Warner for a couple of years and learn how to run a pro style offense in the NFL. I don't think I need to mention that Kurt (even with his own career on the line) helped mentor Marc Bulger and Eli Manning with the Rams and Giants respectivley. Warner has proved over and over again that he is willing to teach the young guys. And quite frankly, I couldn't think of a better guy to learn from in the NFL.

Secondly, Q and Fitz would help out immensley with his development. Both of them have shown that they can adjust to over throws, under throws, short passes and still come up with the catch with DB's draped all over them. With Young still being somewhat raw as a passer, I believe both of them could ease Young in and make sure that the Cardinals and Young aren't punished as much for all the throws rookie QB's tend to make.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Why do you have to go and throw logic into your arguement?



A-Bomb

My wife and mother will both tell you it's because I'm a snide bastard who always has to have the last word

 

[Duckjake]

For one, he would sit behind Kurt Warner for a couple of years and learn how to run a pro style offense in the NFL.

Young would sit for a year or two in order to give Green & Co. time to develop a style of pro offense that fit Vince's talents in coordination with the skills of the Cards great WR's.

Given the success that Young had throwing to Sophmores and Freshmen WR's the last two years I would love to see him working with highly skilled seasoned receivers like Fitz and Q.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I would eat my shorts if VY was there at 10. I then would eat someone else's shorts if he was there and we didn't take him....

P.S. If he was there DG & RG better run up to "Tags" and give him their pick. He won't even have to leave the stage.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Yes !!

 

[BACH]

Just because Young can run doesn't mean that you should compare him to Vick by default.

IMO Young is a cross between Plummer and Culpepper. Big and strong with very good running ability.

I voted Yes. I don't think we can pass on a QBOF this time. Whether or not Young is a Franchise QB is another question. We probably won't know anything about that until the throwing drills at the combine.

 

[Stout]

I'll take 2 playoff births and a trip to the NFC Championship Game appearance in four Young's first four years as a starter any day. If that's crap, someone please tell me where to sign up for it.

Say what you will statistically about Vick, the Falcons are drastically better with him as QB than they are without him. Look no further than the 2003 season as proof of that. Vick missed a majority of the season, and the Falcons went in the tank.

Also, I think it's fair to say Fitzgerald and Boldin are drastically better than any WR Atlanta has on it's roster. Not using that excuse to defend Vick by any means whatsoever however.. See below for more.

Even if Young brings only the same winning success Vick has to Atlanta, I think it's a fair bet to say drafting VY would be well worth it.



Spanky really if you want to compare Vick to Young, the only things you can compare is their ability to run. Other than that, the two are polar opposite.

Let me give you a few totals quick..

9 Touchdowns, 7 Interceptions.. 636 yards... 1 (Count Em) game with over 200 yards, 2 games with 100 or more yards, 6 games with LESS than 50 yards and in three of those six had under 20 yards (all passing totals here).

Now that you've absorbed all those, here's some more for you.

26 TD, 10 INT. 3036 yards. 7 games with over 200 yards passing, 0 games with under 150 yards, 1 game with over 300 yards (all passing totals here).

These stats you ask?

The Top was Michael Vick's final season totals at Virginia Tech.. The Bottom was Vince Young's final season totals at Texas.

The moral of my story is this.. Vince Young is a QB who can run and will use his mobility to his advantage when he needs to. Michael Vick is a runningback who happens to play the position of QB. Even at Virginia Tech, when he was on his game, he looked for the run first, and passed only when neccessary. Young will pass first, and run if neccessary.

There's absolutely no other comparisons between the two other than the quickness factor.

Actually, I heard an interesting breakdown on ESPN Radio one time about the Falcons and why they win or lose. Basically, it was a matter of how well the defense played, and not Vick at all.

 

[Duckjake]

Actually, I heard an interesting breakdown on ESPN Radio one time about the Falcons and why they win or lose. Basically, it was a matter of how well the defense played, and not Vick at all.

That's what everybody says. It's simply an ego thing. Defense is the "tough" part of football. Nobody wants to admit that their team is soft.

It's why when the D gives up 450 yards and 5 TD's and the QB throws for 350yards and 4 TD's but tosses an INT in the endzone with 12 seconds left in the game it's the QB's fault they lost. It's why McGinnis lasted as long as he did in Arizona. Nobody wanted to admit that the defense was horrible.

 

[Mulli]

It's why when the D gives up 450 yards and 5 TD's and the QB throws for 350yards and 4 TD's but tosses an INT in the endzone with 12 seconds left in the game it's the QB's fault they lost. It's why McGinnis lasted as long as he did in Arizona. Nobody wanted to admit that the defense was horrible.

Absolute truth of the universe!!!

 

[john h]

First, this is purely hypothetical. I personally can not see him free falling down the draft boards, unlike some, however let's put ourselves in this situation.

Suppose it's Draft Day. Houston selects Bush, New Orleans goes with Leinart, Tennessee takes the immediate need pick and drafts Mario Williams and Detroit drafts another WR (LOL ) or goes for Winston Justice to upgrade their OLine.

If you are the Cardinals at 10, do you select Vince Young?

We all know the intangibles he has. We all know that the closest thing the Cardinals have ever had to a long term Franchise QB was Plummer. We know that Vince is in need of about 2 years of learning before he's ready to become a regular starter in the NFL, so learning under a re-signed Warner would be ideal for him.

We also know that of all the QBs, he has the highest risk-reward factor and it seems to be universally believed that Young is either going to be a really big hit or a really big flop, with no happy medium.

So, you make the call. Do you go for Young with his upside, superstar potential and finally fill that long overdue void at QB, or do you pick someone else (White perhaps) and hope for a QB like Brodie Croyle or Omar Jacobs to be available in the second?

No! I do not take him.

 

[john h]

I'm sorry, but the cache of having a stud (potential or otherwise) lining up behind center intrigues me too much. I can't say that Vince is my first choice, but if DG decides he's the answer I will be ecstatic. I could see if we have had a spotty record of success with the qb position, but our track record in that regard is far from even that. Outside of Jake and Kurt's partial year, what have we had to allow us to turn our nose up at picking Vince? (Gary Hogeboom or Dave Brown anyone??) His desire to win alone (which is proven) is something we've lacked, not just at the qb position but all across the board. To have a proven winner come to the Cardinals at the most important position would be a major come up in my opinion. It all starts with the man under center and we know this. Would it require hard work by the staff and coaches? Of course, but that is why they make the big bucks! I'm sorry, I will not be one bit upset if we go that route.

If he falls to #10 it want be an accident there will be a reason and we better know the reason.

 

[john h]

Pass. Keep McCown.

I am no McCown fan and never have been but prefer to resign him and use our #10 on White.

 

[john h]

If he falls to us, we'd be crazy not to select him. That being said, I would have him on the bench for at least a year & probably 2 yrs. I would have him listed as our 3rd or 4th QB & he would never see the field his rookie year. Let him learn under Warner & by year 3, he'd be ready to set the league on fire. He has more RAW athletic talent than any QB coming out, probably ever. But we would destroy him if he played his rookie year. If he's there @ 10 & we pass, we will forever regret it.

If he is going to be so good why would other teams pass on him? If he drops then why? Are the other teams that stupid?

 

[john h]

Will Green draft a player who can help the team right away or a QB project like Young? His past two drafts he has drafted immediate impact players. He's not exactly in a spot where he can afford to draft a project. The only way I can see the Cards drafting Young is if they plan to play him at a position other than QB.

The only way Green drafts him is if Bidwill orders him to. I doubt that as he needs people in the seats this year not two years from now. People are not going to come to watch Young sitting on the side line but they might come to watch Lyndale White run the ball.

 

[john h]

Whoever says no is a complete moron. How many more years are we going to bitch and moan that we did not take a top tier QB when one is just sitting there for the taking. We could take another player and have them be a bust also. If he is there, Im taking him in a heartbeat, but he won't be.

Then call me moron! I have been for drafting a QB for the past two years when we were in a position to get a good one. I will pass on this one. Wrong guy at the wrong time in the wrong place.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

If he is going to be so good why would other teams pass on him? If he drops then why? Are the other teams that stupid?

No, but if Tennessee passes on him, the only other team that would even need a QB, that could cap wise afford to draft him is the Lions at 9, and all I'm hearing has them going another direction.

 

[seesred]

IMO if Young is there at number 10, you must ask yourself only 1 question and that is if we resign Warner and I believe we will, would iut or would it not be a great thing to have a QB with the abilitys of this athletic marvel named Young waiting in the wings or not?

Now imagine we pick up a premier RB in FA season. A guy who can help JJ who IMO will becoame a good football player, lets just say Edge. Then in FA or draft we focus on O-line and D-line. IMO we would have a heck of a psent and one hell of a future.

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