to steeler fans on this board its time you heard the truth

[freebyrd]

Here's a concept - tell me WHY the Cards are going to beat the Steelers next week.

ummm gee i thought i laid it out pretty well in the post that started this thread

perhaps you should use your reading comprehension skills and go back and reread it over again ......sloooooowly this time if there's something you don't understand feel free to pm me and i will try to elaborate for yinz

freebyrd

 

[Stout]

First, and I hate doing this but I haven't insulted anyone here. Prick? Classy. Just know that I'm not stooping to that level. Insults are for those who have no basis for debate or discussion, and I'm far from that point.

Second, arrogant? Like I said earlier - I have my opinions as to why the Steelers match-up better against the Cards. You have yours. Does that make you arrogant because your opinion vastly differs from mine? Kettle, meet pot.

Third - I'm not here to troll. I can dish out some real tolling if that what yinz want, but it's not what I'm looking to do. I'm here to discuss the game, but unfortunately - the responses I've gotten so far are insults and rhetoric.

Hey - I don't blame ya. I guess as a Cards fan you have to play your only strengths.

Nope, you wouldn't say anyithing insu--oh wait, you insulted Cards fans. Damn, that was easy to disprove.

We keep saying the matchups are good and it should be a good game. You keep giving lip service about the matchups being good and sum it up by saying you don't see how you can lose. Colts, meet Jets.

You've gotten insults in response to insults...stop crying about it. And rhetoric? Uh, hate to tell you, but using rhetoric in articulating a debate is about as intelligent as you can get. So, thanks for complimenting us.

Now I really, really have to go. This is eating up too much time. And it seems pointless, because I think all you're trying to do is get our dander up.

 

[freebyrd]

hey and don't forget to rate my thread, you know its going 20 pages by next week
these steeler fans are so fantasy driven they may never get it but all your questions will be answered come next sunday
freebyrd

oh and heres whats on the menu for yinz next week

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[Steeler SChuck]

ummm gee i thought i laid it out pretty well in the post that started this thread

perhaps you should use your reading comprehension skills and go back and reread it over again ......sloooooowly this time if there's something you don't understand feel free to pm me and i will try to elaborate for yinz

freebyrd

So there's no reason to continue the discussion then?

Cool - we can close the forum down now.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

I've seen a lot of Yinz football being a Chiefs fan.

The Steeler mystique is a load of crap.

Yinz puts your pants on the same way everyone else does and yinz is gonna get yinz asses kicked.

Stuff it trollboy.

Jealousy.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

Hey - I don't blame ya. I guess as a Cards fan you have to play your only strengths.

Nope, you wouldn't say anyithing insu--oh wait, you insulted Cards fans. Damn, that was easy to disprove.

We keep saying the matchups are good and it should be a good game. You keep giving lip service about the matchups being good and sum it up by saying you don't see how you can lose. Colts, meet Jets.

You've gotten insults in response to insults...stop crying about it. And rhetoric? Uh, hate to tell you, but using rhetoric in articulating a debate is about as intelligent as you can get. So, thanks for complimenting us.

Now I really, really have to go. This is eating up too much time. And it seems pointless, because I think all you're trying to do is get our dander up.

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Hope this helps.

Stay classy.

 

[gamebird98]

I thought this was over....He doesnt even comprehend his own posts.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

oh and heres whats on the menu for yinz next week

This one is more fitting:

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

IMO, the general consensus from most Steeler fans is that the Cards D is pretty mediocre and our offense will do well against it. QUOTE]

mediocre is not really the right word, inconsistent maybe. see, they'll have lapses (see the first drive of the carolina game or the third quarter of the eagles game), but they compensate by being incredibly ball-hungry. this defense was tied for 5th in takeaways during the regular season and has turned it up a notch in the playoffs. it's those tide-turning plays that makes this defense particularly dangerous. the fact that steelers have given up the 4th most sacks in the league during the regular season should be cause for concern, b/c it's those plays that our defense jump on to cause TOs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So you think some magical switch gets turned on when the Cards make the playoffs and that their performance in the regular season means nothing?

Wow, that's a lot of koolaid.

And, if the Giants play that Pats team 9 more times last year - they win 1 out of 10 IMO. They got lucky like some teams get lucky. That's my opinion of course, but I'd think popular opinion would generally support that.

Still, I'm not predicting the Steelers WILL win, just supporting my opinion that they should win, all things considered - rather than just banter on about what the Cards did in a couple games.

Here's a concept - tell me WHY the Cards are going to beat the Steelers next week.

it's not that some "magic switch" gets turned on. rather, you have to look at teams' play in blocks. a team's play in week 20 will not reflective of a teams play in week 1. nfl coaches like to break their seasons into 4 game blocks to study what's working and what's not. based on the current 4 game chunk, the cards are playing incredibly well on both sides of the ball. their offense is in high gear, averaging 32.25 pts/game over the 4 games while the defense has given up 20.75. that's a spread of 11.5 pts/game. the steelers have scored, on average 25.75 pts/game and given up 17.25 pts/game. that's a spread of 8.5 pts/game over their last four games. so who is winning by a larger margin? and our last four games don't include being blown out (by tennessee). also during the four game span our defense has taken the ball away 14 times. i'm not disparaging your four game segment, but to ignore the cardinals in favor of the full regular season is not only silly, but it's not what coaches base their analysis upon.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm glad tpp put those rings up. Reminds me that the Steelers won in their first trip to the Super Bowl after having been in the league since 1933 without a championship, 41 years. More good omens for the Cards.

 

[freebyrd]

that is a funny picture i'll give you credit for that because i have a sense of humor

However as i said already and at the risk of repeating myself post number 1 lays out how and why we will make the steeler nation cry

gee i'm a poet and i don't know it

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[LukesDad88]

Steeler fans looking past Arizona's D could be in for a rude awakening. We all know your offense can hang points on anybody, it's the way the D has stepped up that's impressed me.

 

[PJ1]

You drank Iron City when Yuengling is brewed in the same state?[/QUOTE

When you are a broke college kid you drink what is cheap. A 14 oz frosted mug of IC for 50 cents worked well for me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Steeler fans looking past Arizona's D could be in for a rude awakening. We all know your offense can hang points on anybody, it's the way the D has stepped up that's impressed me.

polamalu scares the hell outta me. had a nightmare about him last night. luckily this morning i had a dream with fitz sitting at the head of a superbowl parade in downtown phx. whew.

 

[LukesDad88]

You drank Iron City when Yuengling is brewed in the same state?[/QUOTE

When you are a broke college kid you drink what is cheap. A 14 oz frosted mug of IC for 50 cents worked well for me.

You think IC was bad, I had to break down and buy Keystone a number of times.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

it's not that some "magic switch" gets turned on. rather, you have to look at teams' play in blocks. a team's play in week 20 will not reflective of a teams play in week 1. nfl coaches like to break their seasons into 4 game blocks to study what's working and what's not. based on the current 4 game chunk, the cards are playing incredibly well on both sides of the ball. their offense is in high gear, averaging 32.25 pts/game over the 4 games while the defense has given up 20.75. that's a spread of 11.5 pts/game. the steelers have scored, on average 25.75 pts/game and given up 17.25 pts/game. that's a spread of 8.5 pts/game over their last four games. so who is winning by a larger margin? and our last four games don't include being blown out (by tennessee). also during the four game span our defense has taken the ball away 14 times. i'm not disparaging your four game segment, but to ignore the cardinals in favor of the full regular season is not only silly, but it's not what coaches base their analysis upon.

Wow - I was starting to think that nobody here would actually look at the numbers.

So you're saying the trend is that the Cards are playing well and basing it on the last 4 games? Still too small a population to consider though IMO, but I do agree with you that the teams (Cards, Steelers) may not be the same teams that played during the first quarter of the season, even the first half of the season.

So, using your logic - our running game struggled the first half of the year partly due to injuries, partly do to our O-line playing awful. The last, oh - 6 games or so including the playoffs, our line has played very well. Some are saying they're finally gelling, but I'm not sold yet. I'm a long-term trend guy and 6 or so games doesn't convince me. FWP running hard does convince me and he's healthy.

Same for Ben. I argue with Stiller fans on our boards about this all the time, give Ben protection and he will pick you apart. He didn't have that protection early on and stats show that he was hit, sacked and pushed out of the pocked consistently. Again, since our line is giving him decent protection, he is able to manage the game and make plays.

Our defense has been shutting offenses down since day 1. That I can hang my hat on.

My biggest concern is that Hines isn't 100% or near it by gametime. He says he's going to play, but all the coaching staff has been saying is that "he says he's going to play" which sounds like they're dodging the question. Our receiving corp is solid with Hines playing but thin if he's not. Hell, we dress only 4 WR's - the 4th guy being a rookie that has not been stellar by any stretch through the season.

As far as blowouts goes, one game isn't a trend but looking at the Cards schedule this year, I see a lot of games with 40, 50 points scored against. That's a pretty high standard deviation that tells me that your defense is capable of laying an egg - pun intended.

 

[LukesDad88]

Wow - I was starting to think that nobody here would actually look at the numbers.

So you're saying the trend is that the Cards are playing well and basing it on the last 4 games? Still too small a population to consider though IMO, but I do agree with you that the teams (Cards, Steelers) may not be the same teams that played during the first quarter of the season, even the first half of the season.

So, using your logic - our running game struggled the first half of the year partly due to injuries, partly do to our O-line playing awful. The last, oh - 6 games or so including the playoffs, our line has played very well. Some are saying they're finally gelling, but I'm not sold yet. I'm a long-term trend guy and 6 or so games doesn't convince me. FWP running hard does convince me and he's healthy.

Same for Ben. I argue with Stiller fans on our boards about this all the time, give Ben protection and he will pick you apart. He didn't have that protection early on and stats show that he was hit, sacked and pushed out of the pocked consistently. Again, since our line is giving him decent protection, he is able to manage the game and make plays.

Our defense has been shutting offenses down since day 1. That I can hang my hat on.

My biggest concern is that Hines isn't 100% or near it by gametime. He says he's going to play, but all the coaching staff has been saying is that "he says he's going to play" which sounds like they're dodging the question. Our receiving corp is solid with Hines playing but thin if he's not. Hell, we dress only 4 WR's - the 4th guy being a rookie that has not been stellar by any stretch through the season.

As far as blowouts goes, one game isn't a trend but looking at the Cards schedule this year, I see a lot of games with 40, 50 points scored against. That's a pretty high standard deviation that tells me that your defense is capable of laying an egg - pun intended.

Part of the problem I think we've had in the running game has been Arian's schemes. I've never cared for running so much out of a spread two tight end single back formation. In the Diego game, there were alot of I and split I formations and it worked. Against Baltimore, we went back to the spread and it didn't. That being said, I almost feel like this week the spread could work well. Oh, not for any big 15-20 yard gains on the ground, I think their defenders are a little to fast for that, but for 3-5 yard time consuming games.

 

[LukesDad88]

As for Hines, as long as he can run those ten yard slants across the middle, I think he'll be fine.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

Part of the problem I think we've had in the running game has been Arian's schemes. I've never cared for running so much out of a spread two tight end single back formation. In the Diego game, there were alot of I and split I formations and it worked. Against Baltimore, we went back to the spread and it didn't. That being said, I almost feel like this week the spread could work well. Oh, not for any big 15-20 yard gains on the ground, I think their defenders are a little to fast for that, but for 3-5 yard time consuming games.

Yeah, the single-back set is awful and it showed earlier in the year when our line wasn't opening holes. That scheme is premised on the line double-teaming the lineman and creating a hole and it wasn't working. While I'm not an Arians fan by any stretch, I have to say it's looking like it's starting to produce - but that's a product of the line playing well IMO.

The other thing that gets me about the offensive playcalling is our unwillingness to use the TE or throw in the flat. FWP couldn't catch a football if he was covered with pine tar, but Moore shows that ability and can make things happen after the catch. Sadly, they don't use him enough. Same for Heath and Spaeth - both very good pass catchers. Heath's getting used more but I suspect that's a product of our line playing better giving him a chance to play passcatcher rather than blocker. He could be our 4th receiver next week also. Spaeth - I just don't know why this guy isn't on the field more often.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think the subject at hand was discussing your defense, not our offense - but thanks for playing.

I don't understand how some people single out one or two games and extrapolate on such small populations as support for their opinions. It really doesn't support much when you consider the concept of outliers.

But hey - nobody ever accused me of being unrealistic.

OOoooooohh A Malcolm Gladwell term. I didn't even know people in Pittsburgh knew how to read

Actually over the last 6 games the Eagles Defense was playing better then your Steelers over every measurable statistic and like you playing good teams over that span. Keep in mind they hadn't given up a passing TD the 6 games prior to giving up 3 int he first half against us.

While I don't think our defense is as good as yours I dion't think you are giving it enough credit either. What makes some of you Steller fans think that Parker is going to have a field day when Turner, Williams, Stewart, and Westbrook were all shut down agianst us over the past 4 weeks? Its called bias myopia. Thats 4 runners you guys would trade for in a second and we shut them down.

And while last years game has no bearing on this Sunday we did show we can get to Ben and cause turnovers on him. That gives us confidence in the game plan and this combined with his poor Super Bowl showing last game and the fact that Wisenhunt knows what makes him tick shouldn't make you so comfortable.

The way I see it we have the best player on the field (Fitz), the better and more playoff/battle tested QB, and in my humble opinion the better coach. You can disagree but whats tougher? Taking over the Denny Green led Cardinals and taking them to the Super Bowl in Year 2 or taking Cowhers world champion Steelers. Please.

You should be confident but personally I love this match up.

I guess thats why they play the games.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow - I was starting to think that nobody here would actually look at the numbers.

So you're saying the trend is that the Cards are playing well and basing it on the last 4 games? Still too small a population to consider though IMO, but I do agree with you that the teams (Cards, Steelers) may not be the same teams that played during the first quarter of the season, even the first half of the season.

So, using your logic - our running game struggled the first half of the year partly due to injuries, partly do to our O-line playing awful. The last, oh - 6 games or so including the playoffs, our line has played very well. Some are saying they're finally gelling, but I'm not sold yet. I'm a long-term trend guy and 6 or so games doesn't convince me. FWP running hard does convince me and he's healthy.

Same for Ben. I argue with Stiller fans on our boards about this all the time, give Ben protection and he will pick you apart. He didn't have that protection early on and stats show that he was hit, sacked and pushed out of the pocked consistently. Again, since our line is giving him decent protection, he is able to manage the game and make plays.

Our defense has been shutting offenses down since day 1. That I can hang my hat on.

My biggest concern is that Hines isn't 100% or near it by gametime. He says he's going to play, but all the coaching staff has been saying is that "he says he's going to play" which sounds like they're dodging the question. Our receiving corp is solid with Hines playing but thin if he's not. Hell, we dress only 4 WR's - the 4th guy being a rookie that has not been stellar by any stretch through the season.

As far as blowouts goes, one game isn't a trend but looking at the Cards schedule this year, I see a lot of games with 40, 50 points scored against. That's a pretty high standard deviation that tells me that your defense is capable of laying an egg - pun intended.

if you're trying to make a preseason prediction, i agree with you that 4 game stats may lie, but when evaluating a one-game opportunity recent history is just about all that matters. again, it's why the vast majority of coaches tend to dwell on four game segments of a season. where are you now?

and i recognize that your oline has vastly improved as the season has progressed. it's one of my concerns, that we won't be able to reach ben. but similarly our defense has gelled at the exact proper moment. it's be quashing the run fairly effectively recently. would i call it our "strength" - hmm, maybe not, but as of late it's been a strength.

the other element is our run game. was it a strength during the season? no, far from it. but again, over this 4 game stretch it's reemerged. is it dominating? no. but for a pass-based offense such as ours it need not be. it just needs keep the defense honest. and i think, even if the steelers effectively bottle it up (which i'm expecting), it WILL keep their defense honest, which will lead to open routes by breaston, urban, and likely even one or two bigger plays by our TEs.

finally, the X-factor . . . the coaching matchup. i think this one's a gem. haley and whis come out guns ablazin' and matching up with lebeau will be a battle for the ages. everyone keeps talking about whis' familiarity with lebeau's defensive schemes, and that will surely help, but lebeau is also familiar with whis' tendencies. and though haley is the OC, whis has his hands all over the offense as well. so that should be interesting. where we do have an advantage is whis and grimm's familiarities with the steelers offensive players. if anyone knows what makes ben uncomfortable or confuses him, it's likely whis. and if anyone knows the individual weaknesses of the oline that carried over from the cowher era, it's grimm. they may be little advantages, but sometimes those little advantages become enormous.

again, the one piece that causes me pause is polamalu. his ability to read and come outta nowhere scares me. as good as warner is at making the right read the unknown is what usually throws him off. and polamalu is the big unknown. hopefully we'll have wilson outshine him the way he outshone the much more hyped dawkins in the last game.

 

[freebyrd]

This is yet another example why Cards fans are viewed as bandwagoners not just by Steeler fans but in general.

BANDWAGONERS!?! you got to be kidding?!? right?

do you have any idea what it takes to root for a team that has a losing tradition like the cards do?

we have lost more games in the most bizarre spectacular ways that it has almost become an art form,

Rooting for a team like Pittsburgh who has such a winning tradition and Lombardis hanging all over the place is easy

and doe's nothing but create the perfect environment for band wagon jumpers, because everybody wants to be identified with a winner

and i speak the truth and the truth is you have a winning tradition that makes it easy for people with low self esteem to attach themselves too

However to call cardinal fans bandwagoneers is just ignorant and is another reason why your team will lose, especially, God help you if your players have that attitude and belief

i had the good fortune to live in phoenix from 89' to 1995 and was a season ticket holder at sun devil stadium

preseason games in late august when it was a 115 degrees and 120 on the field
is no place for so called bandwagoneers

dexter manley said there was two times he felt he was going to die in his life
both times were while he was a redskin playing at sun devil stadium

sweat devil is what us locals called it.

bandwagoneers indeed,this is easily the most ignorant statement of this entire thread

freebyrd
band wagon fan since 1971?!?

 

[Steeler SChuck]

OOoooooohh A Malcolm Gladwell term. I didn't even know people in Pittsburgh knew how to read You should invest in a 10 cent jokebook - it would do wonders for your wisecracking ability.

Actually over the last 6 games the Eagles Defense was playing better then your Steelers over every measurable statistic and like you playing good teams over that span. Keep in mind they hadn't given up a passing TD the 6 games prior to giving up 3 int he first half against us. Show me some numbers and I'll consider this comment.

While I don't think our defense is as good as yours I dion't think you are giving it enough credit either. What makes some of you Steller fans think that Parker is going to have a field day when Turner, Williams, Stewart, and Westbrook were all shut down agianst us over the past 4 weeks? Its called bias myopia. Thats 4 runners you guys would trade for in a second and we shut them down. Sorry, but none of them are FWP. Williams? You kidding me? If you've been watching football for more than this year, you'll notice that FWP would likely have won the rushing title last year if he hadn't gotten injured. I don't think you really know FWP's abilities when he's healthy.

And while last years game has no bearing on this Sunday we did show we can get to Ben and cause turnovers on him. That gives us confidence in the game plan and this combined with his poor Super Bowl showing last game and the fact that Wisenhunt knows what makes him tick shouldn't make you so comfortable. I sort of agree that one of your marginal strengths is your defenses takeaways. I'm not sure I agree about Wizz knowing Ben not from the standpoint that he doesn't know him, but from the stanpoint that Wizz is an offensive guy. It's like a dog finding a bone and not knowing what to do with it. The whole "Wizz knows the Steelers" thing is way over-rated. The Steelers know Whizz also, but I don't think this fact gives either team any significant advatage.

The way I see it we have the best player on the field (Fitz), the better and more playoff/battle tested QB, and in my humble opinion the better coach. You can disagree but whats tougher? Taking over the Denny Green led Cardinals and taking them to the Super Bowl in Year 2 or taking Cowhers world champion Steelers. Please. I don't know about Fitz being the best player on the field, but this supports my position that your offense is unifaceted. One trick pony. The best player on the field might be the one shutting Fitz down, and that's Troy.

You should be confident but personally I love this match up. I agree, and I agree.

I guess thats why they play the games.

I'm not guaranteeing a Steeler win, but of all the teams in the NFC that we could have faced in the SB, nobody is second guessing our luck by getting the Cards.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

if you're trying to make a preseason prediction, i agree with you that 4 game stats may lie, but when evaluating a one-game opportunity recent history is just about all that matters. again, it's why the vast majority of coaches tend to dwell on four game segments of a season. where are you now?

and i recognize that your oline has vastly improved as the season has progressed. it's one of my concerns, that we won't be able to reach ben. but similarly our defense has gelled at the exact proper moment. it's be quashing the run fairly effectively recently. would i call it our "strength" - hmm, maybe not, but as of late it's been a strength.

the other element is our run game. was it a strength during the season? no, far from it. but again, over this 4 game stretch it's reemerged. is it dominating? no. but for a pass-based offense such as ours it need not be. it just needs keep the defense honest. and i think, even if the steelers effectively bottle it up (which i'm expecting), it WILL keep their defense honest, which will lead to open routes by breaston, urban, and likely even one or two bigger plays by our TEs.

finally, the X-factor . . . the coaching matchup. i think this one's a gem. haley and whis come out guns ablazin' and matching up with lebeau will be a battle for the ages. everyone keeps talking about whis' familiarity with lebeau's defensive schemes, and that will surely help, but lebeau is also familiar with whis' tendencies. and though haley is the OC, whis has his hands all over the offense as well. so that should be interesting. where we do have an advantage is whis and grimm's familiarities with the steelers offensive players. if anyone knows what makes ben uncomfortable or confuses him, it's likely whis. and if anyone knows the individual weaknesses of the oline that carried over from the cowher era, it's grimm. they may be little advantages, but sometimes those little advantages become enormous.

again, the one piece that causes me pause is polamalu. his ability to read and come outta nowhere scares me. as good as warner is at making the right read the unknown is what usually throws him off. and polamalu is the big unknown. hopefully we'll have wilson outshine him the way he outshone the much more hyped dawkins in the last game.

Excellent post, but I still think the coaching familiarity aspect is over-rated. It's also a two-way door but gives neither team any sort of advantage.