Toast getting 1st start for Texans

[cardsfanmd]

I immediately picked him up in fantasy, just sayin...

 

[Mulli]

Well some might be a fixed, as in stubborn or pigheaded. Is there any doubt I was understating the gravity of the situation about cutting Matt leinart? I was 1000% more right by the time DA got benched. Kolb is proving beyond a doubt Matt leinart was not the problem with the Arizona Cardinals.

Whiz is toasted, not Matt Leinart, At least He is starting Beanie now, DUH! Berate me Berate me for christmas, berate me forever. Mike and Chris Miller is the best OC and QBC we could hire too!

Matt leinart is so much better than Kolb.... If you have not got a clue, it is even worse!

Pushups

 

[Duckjake]

Indeed, Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi and others want their systems back. If only they'd listened to the players.

Yeah, he should have said trying to fit a QB who doesn't fit his offense into his offense. I'll take the guy who realized the QB he has doesn't fit and changes things to try to make it easier for his player to succeed until he can get guys who do fit his system or has more practice time to acclimate them.

 

[gmabel830]

The worst thing about this is that we will have to listen to thesmel babble on about Leinart in every thread for the rest of year.

I can just see it now, instead of the weekly "Feed the Bean" posts that we are used to getting, we'll now end up seeing at least one "Heat the Hot Tub" post per week!

 

[TJ]

I immediately picked him up in fantasy, just sayin...

You must be desperate at the QB position

 

[Shane]

I immediately picked him up in fantasy, just sayin...

Must really be itching to lose

 

[40yearfan]

Was listening to an interview of some NFL QB. Don't remember who, and he said there are some people who are perfectly content to stand on the sidelines and wear a baseball cap backwards.

But now Matt has to play. Hope he does well because my oldest son is a big Texans fan. Cardinals too btw. I had to ruin all my kids by making them Cardinals fans. Child Protective Services found out about it a few years ago and we had to pretend they were Texans fans so I wouldn't go to jail for child abuse.

They should have put you in jail anyway, just on general principles.

 

[40yearfan]

Good minority report from @billbarnwell for Grantland.com (Barnwell is the best thing about Grantland now that Bill Simmons doesn't care about football and Chuck Klosterman is on book tour):

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/9741/is-matt-leinart-better-than-you-think

Highlight passage:

Whisenhunt is the primary reason Matt Leinart is considered a bust, and over the course of his career as Cardinals coach, Whisenhunt has shown virtually no ability to pick the right starting quarterback for his team.

So I guess it wasn't Whisenhunts decision to use Warner over Leinart? Stupid comment.

 

[chickenhead]

The only reason to hope Leinart fails is to make it look like Whiz made the right decision. It's pretty clear that cutting him for Anderson was not the right move, though a lot of us wanted a third option.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So I guess it wasn't Whisenhunts decision to use Warner over Leinart? Stupid comment.

That's why he said virtually, not completely.

 

[Mulli]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/virtually



Definition of VIRTUALLY

1
: almost entirely : nearly

2
: for all practical purposes <virtually unknown>

 

[DutchmanAZ]

The only reason to hope Leinart fails is to make it look like Whiz made the right decision. It's pretty clear that cutting him for Anderson was not the right move, though a lot of us wanted a third option.

Bingo

 

[40yearfan]

That's why he said virtually, not completely.

I don't call hitting on one out of two virtually.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The only reason to hope Leinart fails is to make it look like Whiz made the right decision. It's pretty clear that cutting him for Anderson was not the right move, though a lot of us wanted a third option.

And that isn't even what happened. Matt started the preseason seemingly with a desire to complete passes and nothing else. He wasn't even making an effort to move the ball downfield so Coach moved DA ahead of him for a game. Matt wasn't having any of that, threw a tantrum and demanded a trade. If Whiz was anything even resembling a player's coach, it never reaches this point. But Matt was not the innocent bystander that he's being painted as and turning the season over to DA wasn't a choice, it was a lack of options.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

And that isn't even what happened. Matt started the preseason seemingly with a desire to complete passes and nothing else. He wasn't even making an effort to move the ball downfield so Coach moved DA ahead of him for a game. Matt wasn't having any of that, threw a tantrum and demanded a trade. If Whiz was anything even resembling a player's coach, it never reaches this point. But Matt was not the innocent bystander that he's being painted as and turning the season over to DA wasn't a choice, it was a lack of options.

Steve

 

[DemsMyBoys]

And that isn't even what happened. Matt started the preseason seemingly with a desire to complete passes and nothing else. He wasn't even making an effort to move the ball downfield so Coach moved DA ahead of him for a game. Matt wasn't having any of that, threw a tantrum and demanded a trade. If Whiz was anything even resembling a player's coach, it never reaches this point. But Matt was not the innocent bystander that he's being painted as and turning the season over to DA wasn't a choice, it was a lack of options.

Steve

Yes. This.

THESMEL: I'd been watching The Matt Leenart since he was a Mater Dei. I simply never saw the FIRE it takes to be a great NFL quarterback. If he goes out there and lights it up for the rest of the season I'll be the first to admit I suck as a judge of talent. But I'm going to be real surprised if I have to buy you a beer as an apology.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You must be desperate at the QB position

Must really be itching to lose

He's my third QB now. Schaub was the 7th ranked guy in our league so if Leinart can step in and play in a quazi-similar fashion, I landed a late-season steal.

 

[chickenhead]

And that isn't even what happened. Matt started the preseason seemingly with a desire to complete passes and nothing else. He wasn't even making an effort to move the ball downfield so Coach moved DA ahead of him for a game. Matt wasn't having any of that, threw a tantrum and demanded a trade. If Whiz was anything even resembling a player's coach, it never reaches this point. But Matt was not the innocent bystander that he's being painted as and turning the season over to DA wasn't a choice, it was a lack of options.

Steve

Huh, I guess I forgot about the trade demand if that's what happened. In any case, I wasn't trying to make ML out to be a victim: he lost the job, and I was one of those looking ahead to a third option based on his upcoming bonus or whatever it was. Of course the club avoided that 11m (IIRC) and then ended up handing Kolb $10m more in guaranteed money.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't call hitting on one out of two virtually.

One out of 2? Anderson, Skelton, Hall, BSP, Bartel..... the list goes on and on.

 

[Mulli]

One out of 2? Anderson, Skelton, Hall, BSP, Bartel..... the list goes on and on.

Looks like it ends with Bartel? Or would you have started the season with Skelton or Bartel? Or are you thinking that BSP or Palko or whoever should have started at some point.

 

[kerouac9]

Huh, I guess I forgot about the trade demand if that's what happened. In any case, I wasn't trying to make ML out to be a victim: he lost the job, and I was one of those looking ahead to a third option based on his upcoming bonus or whatever it was. Of course the club avoided that 11m (IIRC) and then ended up handing Kolb $10m more in guaranteed money.

That's because the trade demand never happened. #7 did a bad job going to the media and saying that he's done everything that's been asked of him and thinks he deserves the starting job, but he never demanded a trade.

#7 deserves criticism for the way he handled the demotion. Whis deserves criticism for dropping an atom bomb on the Arizona Cardinals 2010 football season because he can only work one way with players and never located a QB coach who isn't a personal toady.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's because the trade demand never happened. #7 did a bad job going to the media and saying that he's done everything that's been asked of him and thinks he deserves the starting job, but he never demanded a trade.

#7 deserves criticism for the way he handled the demotion. Whis deserves criticism for dropping an atom bomb on the Arizona Cardinals 2010 football season because he can only work one way with players and never located a QB coach who isn't a personal toady.

So the reports at the time that Matt had asked for or demanded to be traded or released are false? It's quite possible that I've taken what was merely speculation and passed it off as fact (unintentionally) but I clearly remember reading this in multiple places. Can I ask how you can unequivocally state that we are wrong on this?

Steve

 

[kerouac9]

So the reports at the time that Matt had asked for or demanded to be traded or released are false? It's quite possible that I've taken what was merely speculation and passed it off as fact (unintentionally) but I clearly remember reading this in multiple places. Can I ask how you can unequivocally state that we are wrong on this?

Steve

Find one. It's something you made up intentionally or no based on the heated rhetoric on this board or elsewhere. He may have said something like, "I don't know why they're going to keep me here if they're not going to play me," and Lombardi was the guy saying that he was going to be released, but #7 never demanded a trade.

That's that guy who used to play for the Eagles... I think his name was Kevin Kolb.

 

[THESMEL]

No that was leadership

Fact is Whisenhunt Lead this front office, team mates and fans against Matt Leinart. There is pages of press and taped proof. Whiz may present in a calm demeanor but his actions are anything but calm, smooth and deliberate. He is full of crap.

Edge was treated like a piece dung, when He tried to show leadership. He was just the smartest player Dungy ever coached including Manning.

Whiz blamed the players at the end of last year, promised a huge turnover(again) and had 52 new faces in camp.....

Q turned down a top 5 WR contract, before Fitz was signed (the time before) and went to the ravens for a lot less money!!! Rolle, Dansby, Kurts SF trip, a Smith, Calvin Pace, and that aint even getting into the stupid drafts.

as far as "it" Matt Leinart showed "it" his entire life and a whole lot of "it" as a rookie Cardinal. including MNM and some very impressicve rookie records. He had 2 Tds in the first 1/4 of his first 2 games, 405 yard game as a rookie, mant 100+ QB rating games as a rookie. Matt is the best pure passer that has came out in a long time. and has no glaring weakness in NFL QB skillsets. 10 completions in a row.... aint nothing for Matt leinart, on a BAD team.

then along came Whiz with this failed offense! remember the 2 QB system as a rookie Head Coach! Tim and Tim off the couch and then changed the offense to a successful Kurt Warner offense. Now struggling back to Whiz's failed offense.

I cut my NFL teeth on Leroy Kelly and remember the Browns losing to the Dolphins in the championship game during the 72 perfect season. It was Earl Morrelthat was QBing silly's, Griese was out until the SB. Morrel pushed Unitis out of the Colt's, legit!

So I love ya guys but I'm pretty sure about my opinion, and why.

Matt got the hell away from Whiz, all Matt did was come out try to make completions, Did that poster really say that? Folks seen some of the best QB play ever witnessed in the 2010 preseason, While Whiz stated He already seen everything Matt can do, and Matt was the starter so he only needed a few touches, 78% completion rate 110+ Qb rating while negative yards in the run game under constant blit on this horrible. And team, media, fans dump on Matt- lead by Whiz.

We let our aaron Rodgers walk out the door, like the biggest dtupids in history, Mattty and the texans should beat GB in the SB.

That's because the trade demand never happened. #7 did a bad job going to the media and saying that he's done everything that's been asked of him and thinks he deserves the starting job, but he never demanded a trade.

#7 deserves criticism for the way he handled the demotion. Whis deserves criticism for dropping an atom bomb on the Arizona Cardinals 2010 football season because he can only work one way with players and never located a QB coach who isn't a personal toady.

 

[O]

And, it starts.